SLT Advantage

Video and liveview AF speed, no mirror blur (for macro), and faster fps with uniterrrupted AF.
A OVF with MLU has no mirror blur. Where with the SLT one has built in internal reflections that cause ghosting in some shots, some contrast and focus loss, noticeable in macro (as well as other shots) where maximum detail is a good part of the point of macro.
And, it's a known fact that the moon is made of Swiss Cheese. I can see the holes when I stand on my deck and look at it on a clear night.
There is no such thing as uninterrupted AF. If the AF is active during the exposure time it will ruin the shot.
And, another known fact is that if you sail your ship too far out into the ocean, you will fall off the edge of the world.
 
Video and liveview AF speed, no mirror blur (for macro), and faster fps with uniterrrupted AF.
A OVF with MLU has no mirror blur. Where with the SLT one has built in internal reflections that cause ghosting in some shots, some contrast and focus loss, noticeable in macro (as well as other shots) where maximum detail is a good part of the point of macro.
And, it's a known fact that the moon is made of Swiss Cheese. I can see the holes when I stand on my deck and look at it on a clear night.
There is no such thing as uninterrupted AF. If the AF is active during the exposure time it will ruin the shot.
And, another known fact is that if you sail your ship too far out into the ocean, you will fall off the edge of the world.
Looking at those resolution charts, the line pairs (contrast) look cleaner and sharper on the A580 results than the A55, that's not to say the A55 is bad, just the A580 looks slightly better.
Greg
 
WaltKnapp wrote:

Walt Knapp and his is notorious / hilarious attempts to force Sony to abandon the DSLT since he happens not to like it.
As someone else mentioned Walt (like others including myself) are unhappy about Sony's apparent intent to abandon DSLRs altogether. I personally think the SLTs are pretty neat cameras and had a hard time choosing between a NEX-5 & A33.

Meanwhile, more power to anyone who wants to try to influence Sony.
Where with the SLT one has built in internal reflections that cause ghosting in some shots...
This and loss of about 30% of light from reaching the sensor, are the only documented downsides of the SLT, where it is clear by now that the 30% loss of light has marginal if at all measurable effect on noise at high ISO, and this minor ghosting of very bright spots over very dark backgroubd - found to be a non-issue in most cases and even DPR found this to be a irrelevand side-effect.
Actually, DXO rates the A55 as excellent for IQ at high ISO, even though the camera has to be doing something internally to compensate for the light loss at any given ISO. OTOH, tests of the SLTs show less resolution, less ability to record fine detail, than DSLRs with similarly spec'd sensors. Pop Photos test comes to mind - they have the A33 behind the A550 and the 12MP Panny G2; the 16MP a55 comes in with the same score as the a550. They then say:

"Imagine through a fixed mirror probably doesn't help in this department. Still, the images we shot with both preproduction and final production units were pleasingly sharp, even if they don't maximize the potential of their respective pixel counts."

I'm not knocking the camera; I think it's a better choice than any DSLR on the market for the right buyer, and a nice second camera for many DSLR owners. But it's not without compromises, and it's Sony's apparent embrace of those compromises that has some Alpha users riled up.
  • Dennis
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I read somewhere from the SLT Sony designers that making a "mirror box"
like in a Canon 1D Mark IV that also has 10 fps is complex and expensive.
So with the SLT design I believe it is much easier to achieve the same
high fps (frames pr. second) and so for a much lower price.

Of course there is much other stuff with and in the Canon 1D Mark IV that
makes it more expensive, but the point is fast fps with auto-focus for a
low price. A good value as they say.

And of course also fast auto-focus in video mode and live-view.

I am not sure how the A33 or A55 perform with auto focus in dim light.
As the not all the light is transmited to the auto focus "sensor".

I wonder (still) if not Sony should keep the MP's "not to extreme" with
cameras that are for fast fps with auto focus. Many MP's at high fps
is alot of data the camera has to process, buffer and move around.
And if the performance should be could (not long buffer clear time etc) the
camera must have fast cpu, buffer's etc. So that could make the camera more
expensive.

Another thing, I wonder why not the SLT design is used with a Sony
camcorder? The NEX design does not got the fast autofocus.
So a SLT camcorder with A-mount could maybe be something?
 
Actually, DXO rates the A55 as excellent for IQ at high ISO, even though the camera has to be doing something internally to compensate for the light loss at any given ISO. OTOH, tests of the SLTs show less resolution, less ability to record fine detail, than DSLRs with similarly spec'd sensors. Pop Photos test comes to mind - they have the A33 behind the A550 and the 12MP Panny G2; the 16MP a55 comes in with the same score as the a550. They then say:

"Imagine through a fixed mirror probably doesn't help in this department. Still, the images we shot with both preproduction and final production units were pleasingly sharp, even if they don't maximize the potential of their respective pixel counts."
In DPR resolution test, A55 scored same as 550D -- that has 2 MP more (18 MP vs 16 MP). Here is another site where A55 scored more than A580 for resolution

http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.chip.de%2Fartikel%2FSony-Alpha_55-DSLR-bis-1.000-Euro-Test_44724425.html

"Because not all light on the 16-megapixel image sensor meets incident, we have the image quality expected disadvantages. But this is not so: The image resolution is high, even higher than the Alpha 580, Which uses the same sensor and high in the ranking sets the image.""
 
I have a slightly newbie question: What exactly is the advantage of the so-called SLT over SLR and micro-4/3 cameras?

Size wise, the a33 & a55 I saw were smaller, but not that much smaller than SLR's.

So what exactly would these cameras do that others cannot?

Does it do better (faster) live-view focussing?
Much faster focusing, there's no comparison. In fact the A55 focusing speed in low light is especially outstanding.

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Tom

Look at the picture, not the pixels

http://www.flickr.com/photos/25301400@N00/
 
Video and liveview AF speed, no mirror blur (for macro), and faster fps with uniterrrupted AF.
A OVF with MLU has no mirror blur. Where with the SLT one has built in internal reflections that cause ghosting in some shots, some contrast and focus loss, noticeable in macro (as well as other shots) where maximum detail is a good part of the point of macro.

There is no such thing as uninterrupted AF. If the AF is active during the exposure time it will ruin the shot.
I own the A55. I have been using SLR's for over 40 years. I disagree with all your points other than ghosting in shooting bright lights. No loss of contrast, focus or detail at all. Since you don't own an A55 and I do who do you think has more credibility? I even figured out hot to eliminate ghosting of bright lights at night. Simply reducing exposure a bit so the lights are not over exposed so much.

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Tom

Look at the picture, not the pixels

http://www.flickr.com/photos/25301400@N00/
 
Look at IR images. Uptill ISO 1600, there is no difference in IQ between A55 and A580. A55 is even sharper at base ISO than K-5.
I couldn't see any real difference at any iso between those two. You would get that much difference using the same camera at different times.

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Tom

Look at the picture, not the pixels

http://www.flickr.com/photos/25301400@N00/
 
One other SLT advantage is a much quieter shutter sound since there's no mirror movement. But certainly the SLT design has disadvantages as well as advantages. Often in photography you have to give up something in order to get something else.
You are correct. With my A55 the battery life is shorter than an OVF DSLR and the EVF gets grainy at low light although I can still see more in low light than I can with my A100. The EVF also exhibits tearing when panning rapidly although this is more of an annoyance than anything else. When tracking a bird for example the bird is clear. Only the background is effected. The last point hast to do with the flash. I don't know if this is due to the EVF or what but there is about a 1/4 sec shutter lag when using the built in flash and a very brief blackout after while the flash recharges.

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Tom

Look at the picture, not the pixels

http://www.flickr.com/photos/25301400@N00/
 
This and loss of about 30% of light from reaching the sensor, are the only documented downsides of the SLT, where it is clear by now that the 30% loss of light has marginal if at all measurable effect on noise at high ISO, and this minor ghosting of very bright spots over very dark backgroubd - found to be a non-issue in most cases and even DPR found this to be a irrelevand side-effect.
Through some experience with the A55 I have found that if a little negative EV exposure is applied so the bright lights are not so over exposed ghosts can be eliminated.
Here Walt takes a known fact of completely non-issue effect of DSLT and builds upon it a bunch of BS and lies just to spread some more FUD.
Walt claims that if during for example a 1/600sec exposure the AF is following the subgect this will ruin the shot. Hmm... not the movement of the subject will ruin the shot but the fact that the subject is maintained in focus will ruin the shot.... This is a sample of his usual ridiculous claimes. That's Walt at his warse
Walt isn't thinking this through. When the photo is taken the continuous AF stops momentarily while the photo is taken. He seems to lie awake at night trying to conger up every possible fault he can with the SLT design.

All I can say is I own the camera and while it isn't perfect none of Walt's points are true. He's just making them up.
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Tom

Look at the picture, not the pixels

http://www.flickr.com/photos/25301400@N00/
 
Walt has not asked Sony to abandon SLT. He just wnat them to continue OVF option in high end cameras--there is a big difference in these objectives.
Walt's reasons for continually making these false claims and his objectives are irrelevant. He is doing a disservice to those trying to make a camera choice. Just as much a disservice as those who try to claim the A55 has no faults. I've used SLR type cameras for over 40 years. He doesn't own the camera. I do. When I say Walt is wrong who are you going to believe?

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Tom

Look at the picture, not the pixels

http://www.flickr.com/photos/25301400@N00/
 
Actually, DXO rates the A55 as excellent for IQ at high ISO, even though the camera has to be doing something internally to compensate for the light loss at any given ISO. OTOH, tests of the SLTs show less resolution, less ability to record fine detail, than DSLRs with similarly spec'd sensors. Pop Photos test comes to mind - they have the A33 behind the A550 and the 12MP Panny G2; the 16MP a55 comes in with the same score as the a550.
At the same time IR has photo comparisons between the A55 and the A580 which use the same sensor. Resolution tests are identical. There is no significant difference throughout the entire iso range between the cameras. That seems to shoot the theory down completely. IR's tests disagree with POP photo. The differences POP gets must be due to something other than SLT design and are impossible to compare due to differences in lenses, jpg processing etc from brand to brand.
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Tom

Look at the picture, not the pixels

http://www.flickr.com/photos/25301400@N00/
 
... it claims to be you-biased ( ubiased [sic]) instead of unbiased :-)

It also says a Nikon placement should be reviled [sic] :-)

But it is an interesting read regardless. And the A55 gets a deserved thumbs-up.

Regards,
Mike
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I'd prefer my DSLR without video, thank you.
I know it has uses, but not for me.
I like the NEXes, but they are too small for my hands.
 
Look at IR images. Uptill ISO 1600, there is no difference in IQ between A55 and A580. A55 is even sharper at base ISO than K-5.
I couldn't see any real difference at any iso between those two. You would get that much difference using the same camera at different times.
A580 is visibly better from ISO 3200 and up. Look at mannequin image at higher ISOs.
 
At the same time IR has photo comparisons between the A55 and the A580 which use the same sensor. Resolution tests are identical. There is no significant difference throughout the entire iso range between the cameras. That seems to shoot the theory down completely.
How ? Because one test makes the camera look better than another, so it must be right ?
IR's tests disagree with POP photo. The differences POP gets must be due to something other than SLT design
Unless it's IR that's wrong.

All I'm saying is that it's not unreasonable to be concerned about shooting through a mirror if you want the best IQ that technology can offer. Walt may be on a crusade, but his points arent' "made up BS".
  • Dennis
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Gallery at http://kingofthebeasts.smugmug.com
 
Walt has not asked Sony to abandon SLT. He just wnat them to continue OVF option in high end cameras--there is a big difference in these objectives.
Walt's reasons for continually making these false claims and his objectives are irrelevant. He is doing a disservice to those trying to make a camera choice. Just as much a disservice as those who try to claim the A55 has no faults. I've used SLR type cameras for over 40 years. He doesn't own the camera. I do. When I say Walt is wrong who are you going to believe?

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Tom

Look at the picture, not the pixels

http://www.flickr.com/photos/25301400@N00/
 Since the release of the SLT, Walt has been insane when it comes to every posts related to SLT. I think he is going through a mental brake down. I never thought the SLT could affect an individual that way.
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When your current system does not satisfy you, it is better to switch than to cry and whine on the forums.
 
Since DSLRs are now banned from Kuwait, you can now argue that your camera is a DSLT, and not a DSLR. :)
Why are they banned?
“I prefer my Sony A-7xx, to be made out of wood” ;-)
 
At the same time IR has photo comparisons between the A55 and the A580 which use the same sensor. Resolution tests are identical. There is no significant difference throughout the entire iso range between the cameras. That seems to shoot the theory down completely.
How ? Because one test makes the camera look better than another, so it must be right ?
IR's tests disagree with POP photo. The differences POP gets must be due to something other than SLT design
Unless it's IR that's wrong.

All I'm saying is that it's not unreasonable to be concerned about shooting through a mirror if you want the best IQ that technology can offer. Walt may be on a crusade, but his points arent' "made up BS".
  • Dennis
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Gallery at http://kingofthebeasts.smugmug.com
Walt points about contrast loss is pure BS. I own the a33 and the a700. a33 IQ is better than a700. a33 high iso better than a700. If Walt is right, he can show me his pictures with an a33 or a55 and prove me wrong.
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When your current system does not satisfy you, it is better to switch than to cry and whine on the forums.
 

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