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gaussian blur
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What kind of videos? You probably just need to install the proper codec for the Mac.
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knox
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seems mamallama and the many times blocked from dpreview (joe lavee) have similarities that are hard to deny
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Sal Baker
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brianric
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Ken Rockwell is an idiot.
1. Mac computers cost a bit more initially; but, over time, they actually save you a lot of time and money, as Mac computers are now considered the best in their league, among all brands of personal computers.
2. And, don' t just take my word for it:
http://kenrockwell.com/apple/ten-years-of-dominance.htm
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mamallama
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Is stating that Windows is more popular than Macs by 9:1 badmouthing Macs? That's all I said that started your snide remark that it was because accountants are using Windows for cheap spreadsheets. And you continued on after I pointed out that Windows is used for some rather complicated dental devices. Then you carried on about "cheap computers by the pound".
Now what did I say that was badmouthing Macs? You only point is something about being silly.
Is that silly?--mamallama
Sal Baker
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Yes, you and other PC advocates always point to the fact that Windows machines are cheaper, and if you want cheap spreadsheets, that's the way to go. You sound like somebody is bad mouthing your religion. Relax, these are only computers.
I take it all back, you have nothing but praise for Macs.Now what did I say that was badmouthing Macs? You only point is something about being silly.
Sal
Lisa O
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There is a reason so many designers and photographers prefer Macs.
The simple elegance and design of the Mac OS and design of the hardware makes more sense to those that care about design.
In the US, UK and many other countries if you have an issue or even a question about your Mac you can walk your computer over to an apple store and speak face to face with someone about your computer. With Dell or any other PC manufacturer you talk to someone on the phone in India who is reading from a screen after waiting on hold for 20 minutes and getting hung up on several times.
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The simple elegance and design of the Mac OS and design of the hardware makes more sense to those that care about design.
In the US, UK and many other countries if you have an issue or even a question about your Mac you can walk your computer over to an apple store and speak face to face with someone about your computer. With Dell or any other PC manufacturer you talk to someone on the phone in India who is reading from a screen after waiting on hold for 20 minutes and getting hung up on several times.
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Mike in Kansas
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...but.....but....but PC's outsell Mac's 9:1. Only fanboys or cultists drinking the kool-aid would care about getting face to face tech support. And who cares what the machine looks like or how well integrated the OS, hardware, and other devices are? I just want to be able to replace my mobo and CPU whenever the urge strikes me.
mamallama
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Cheap as in "cheap by the pound" is different from inexpensive, economical to repair and upgrade, competitively priced, etc. If you don't understand the difference, you may be excused.
Technical praise for the Macs? absolutely. But Macs do have faults as does virtually any product, and it doesn't quite live up to the perfection statements I read here so often like, "I switched from a Windows PC to a Mac because, Macs just work" in the context that PCs don't. Obviously, sort of a backhanded put down of PCs. I really don't know why Mac owners have to make that type comment when reality is that both Macs and PCs aren't perfect.I take it all back, you have nothing but praise for Macs.Now what did I say that was badmouthing Macs? You only point is something about being silly.
I really switched from Macs to Windows during the Sculley era, and, heavens knows, it was justified. I know Macs are different now even as Windows is different now since Windows 95 and Windows ME. But there is no need to badmouth either based on their bad past history.
--mamallama
Mike in Kansas
Leading Member
Actually I've never really understood the implied correlation between market share and quality/performance when it comes to personal computers or operating systems. Just because more people by WinTel machines don't make them better by any stretch of the imagination. It's kinda like comparing Wal-mart with Trader Joe's. I mean, both sell groceries. Wal-mart's market share has to be over 100X that of Trader Joe's, but who actually LIKES shopping in Wal-mart? Suggesting that Wal-mart is better just because they are ubiquitous and in every town, and that Trader Joe's isn't because they are more scarce just doesn't make sense. Anyone who has gone into both would most likely agree that Trader Joe's offers a much better shopping experience and better quality product than Wal-mart.
Ian Eisenberg
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The only problem is your logic is faulty.
Dentists don't use WIndows PCs because they are great or for the fantastic x-ray machines or scanners (those are available with Mac software as well). They use them because they are cheap or because the practice management software they have chosen runs on them.
Among my wife's fellow doctors a lot (read most) use Windows, BUT they do it because if you don't pay too much attention they seem cheaper. Here is one experience one of her friends has had:
He has been running his office on Windows for at least 10 years. We talked and he kept telling me it was because the machines were cheaper and his practice manager was Win based (Orthotrac). Mind you I was not pushing him to convert he just knows I am a Mac guy and he asks me questions about Macs, photography, animation... that kind of stuff.
So a year ago he calls me and asks me to help him out. He did a big ROI study with his accountant to see where he could trim the fat in his 3 offices. It turns out his cost for keeping the PCs running were astronomical. We talked about hardware and he switched to the ortho PM program my wife uses that not only does everything his old one did but they give you all the functionality for the base price (PC programs are generally modular and they charge an arm and a leg for the modules). He is a year in and he is thrilled with the switch. He is using iMacs and Minis as well as a MacPro as a server that handles email, data and backups, etc. The great thing for him is his support costs are almost non-existant. The old PC tech company charged a minimum $150 an hour with a 2 hour base charge which is pretty standard.
Ian Eisenberg
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Offering classes in animation, game design, vfx, photography, videography, web
design and all things digital.
Dentists don't use WIndows PCs because they are great or for the fantastic x-ray machines or scanners (those are available with Mac software as well). They use them because they are cheap or because the practice management software they have chosen runs on them.
Among my wife's fellow doctors a lot (read most) use Windows, BUT they do it because if you don't pay too much attention they seem cheaper. Here is one experience one of her friends has had:
He has been running his office on Windows for at least 10 years. We talked and he kept telling me it was because the machines were cheaper and his practice manager was Win based (Orthotrac). Mind you I was not pushing him to convert he just knows I am a Mac guy and he asks me questions about Macs, photography, animation... that kind of stuff.
So a year ago he calls me and asks me to help him out. He did a big ROI study with his accountant to see where he could trim the fat in his 3 offices. It turns out his cost for keeping the PCs running were astronomical. We talked about hardware and he switched to the ortho PM program my wife uses that not only does everything his old one did but they give you all the functionality for the base price (PC programs are generally modular and they charge an arm and a leg for the modules). He is a year in and he is thrilled with the switch. He is using iMacs and Minis as well as a MacPro as a server that handles email, data and backups, etc. The great thing for him is his support costs are almost non-existant. The old PC tech company charged a minimum $150 an hour with a 2 hour base charge which is pretty standard.
--Is stating that Windows is more popular than Macs by 9:1 badmouthing Macs? That's all I said that started your snide remark that it was because accountants are using Windows for cheap spreadsheets. And you continued on after I pointed out that Windows is used for some rather complicated dental devices. Then you carried on about "cheap computers by the pound".
Now what did I say that was badmouthing Macs? You only point is something about being silly.
--mamallama
Ian Eisenberg
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Ian Eisenberg
Senior Member
God tell me about it... Nikon users Pffffff!
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Ian Eisenberg
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mamallama
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I'm not quite sure your Wal-mart and Trader Joe's market share comparisons are correct if you just include groceries and not that other junk in Wal-mart. Are you sure Wal-mart's grocery sales are 100X that of Trader Joe's.
On your other point: Strong and clever marketing will trump a bad or mediocre product in most cases. So I would suggest that market share has a lot to do with marketing and is not 100% based on product quality.
--mamallama
Ian Eisenberg
Senior Member
I have heard this a lot lately and I have to disagree.
Marketing will certainly get a buzz going but if your product is inferior it can easily overcome the best marketing campaign. Word of mouth spreads pretty damn fast nowadays and especially with the internet. Look how quickly opinions about Vista spread.
Also if we follow your line of reasoning then Windows market share is based on marketing?
Ian Eisenberg
President/Owner
Digit Training
Offering classes in animation, game design, vfx, photography, videography, web
design and all things digital.
Marketing will certainly get a buzz going but if your product is inferior it can easily overcome the best marketing campaign. Word of mouth spreads pretty damn fast nowadays and especially with the internet. Look how quickly opinions about Vista spread.
Also if we follow your line of reasoning then Windows market share is based on marketing?
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Ian Eisenberg
President/Owner
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Offering classes in animation, game design, vfx, photography, videography, web
design and all things digital.
mamallama
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I wasn't talking about dentist office software. Never even mentioned it. Don't know anything about what they use.
I was talking about a high tech Windows-based CT Scanner that is a highly specialized dental imaging device used in specialist implant centers that produce a holographic-like 3D image of the teeth and lower skull that guide the precise placement of the implant in situations where the bone structure is narrow. I only gave this example when your Apple buddy implied that Windows was popular because of the cheap spreadsheet crowd. I just gave an example of an high tech use. Nothing more involving dentists. So much for my faulty logic.
Did you read what I wrote and came to your conclusion about Dentist using Windows PCs????? Hmmmm???
--mamallama
Sal Baker
Forum Pro
It's well- known among marketing people that a great marketing campaign for a bad product will only make the bad product fail faster. Apple's success continues to be based on positive word of mouth, or what you would call fan loyalty, cults, whatever.
Sal
My snow leopard upgrade was a horrid experience. On the other hand my win 7 laptop runs without incident. Funny thing, I gave my mpb to my dad and he called nearly every day trying to figure out how how to do a simple task. Next time I was there he handed me a box with a mbp and he told me he bought a Sony with win 7. Hasn't had a problem since.
Ian Eisenberg
Senior Member
So you handed your dad a MBP with a completely foreign OS on it and gave him no instructions or training and he got frustrated with it. Imagine that!
Ian Eisenberg
President/Owner
Digit Training
Offering classes in animation, game design, vfx, photography, videography, web
design and all things digital.
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Ian Eisenberg
President/Owner
Digit Training
Offering classes in animation, game design, vfx, photography, videography, web
design and all things digital.
mamallama
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Hmmm. You sure like to put your own spin on my statements. Where did I say that good product and value do not contribute to its market share??? Your "is based on" implies that product quality and value have nothing to do with market share. How absurd.
What does "a lot" and "not 100%" mean to you? Certainly marketing contributes to but is not the sole reason for Windows market share. Product quality and value are also factors.
It's the same for Macs as well. With the strong Mac marketing and fan base following, one wonders why its market share is not larger. My take is that Apple has not emphasized industrial and medical instrumentation applications but rather on educational, graphic arts, photographic, video and personal uses.
--mamallama
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