DIRT SPOT on 602z ... any ideas?

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I have this problem with my new 602z ... as from today I have some weird dirt spot and it's more visible at f 8-f 11 ....
I had this problem with my old 6900 but I sold it before I serviced it.
Any ideas? Is this a big problem?
Sample of the small sized pic (100k) with this spot is here:



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Marko Butrakovic
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Hi Marko!

Oh thats bad!

I saw a tutorial with a 6900 I guess, to clean the ccd from dirt, but this definitely not the way to do with a new S602 (they dismantled most parts of the camera).

Do you have dust particles inside your objective ? That's what I see in my lens. It's more or less logical that this happens, because the air has to float in some way to open and close the objective. If you blow at the edges at the front lens the air will float inside, but I don't know if that's such a good idea.

The longer you will expose the picture, the more you can see this particles (according to your f8-f11).

It's definetly not normal, it's a mangle and if this camera is really new, they have to fix it in my opnion.
I have this problem with my new 602z ... as from today I have some
weird dirt spot and it's more visible at f 8-f 11 ....
I had this problem with my old 6900 but I sold it before I serviced
it.
Any ideas? Is this a big problem?
Sample of the small sized pic (100k) with this spot is here:



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Marko Butrakovic
GSM +385.91.537.9113
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http://www.butrakovic.com
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I have this problem with my new 602z ... as from today I have some
weird dirt spot and it's more visible at f 8-f 11 ....
I had this problem with my old 6900 but I sold it before I serviced
it.
Any ideas? Is this a big problem?
Sample of the small sized pic (100k) with this spot is here:



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Marko Butrakovic
GSM +385.91.537.9113
[email protected]
http://www.butrakovic.com
A question. Is this 'spot' on all of your pictures -- or only on this one?
 
John R.
I have this problem with my new 602z ... as from today I have some
weird dirt spot and it's more visible at f 8-f 11 ....
I had this problem with my old 6900 but I sold it before I serviced
it.
Any ideas? Is this a big problem?
Sample of the small sized pic (100k) with this spot is here:



--
Marko Butrakovic
GSM +385.91.537.9113
[email protected]
http://www.butrakovic.com
A question. Is this 'spot' on all of your pictures -- or only on
this one?
 
It's dirt on the CCD or possibly in the lens, but most likely the CCD.

If it's a new camera and it was delivered like that then it should go back and be replaced assuming you have done nothing to contribute to it.

It is normal over time I'm afraid, and I think we all expect to send the camera away for cleaning eventually. But I'm thinking 2 years plus.

To get it on 2 cameras is very odd, and did it actually come like that or was it ok when it arrived? What's the air quality like where you live? Is there a lot smoke, or dust particles in the air?
regards
Ian
 
It's dirt on the CCD or possibly in the lens, but most likely the CCD.
If it's a new camera and it was delivered like that then it should
go back and be replaced assuming you have done nothing to
contribute to it.
It is normal over time I'm afraid, and I think we all expect to
send the camera away for cleaning eventually. But I'm thinking 2
years plus.
To get it on 2 cameras is very odd, and did it actually come like
that or was it ok when it arrived? What's the air quality like
where you live? Is there a lot smoke, or dust particles in the air?
regards
Ian
--- I worked outside today ... nothing special ..no dust...just regular outside work. The camera is 2 months old ... and didn't come with this problem. It came with (ANOTHER PROBLEM) troubled control wheel wich blocks from time to time. I heaven't made any service YET but I'm sure I'll send it to the dealer first thing at monday morning. ( Thoe they claim "It' a normal thing for FUJI " ???!!!! )

If they don't fix the damn thing I'll burn it on the main city square and I'll call all my friends journalists to vitness that. The pics I'll send to FUJI Corp. and switch to CANON or something more sirious.
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Marko Butrakovic
GSM +385.91.537.9113
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http://www.butrakovic.com
 
Yes, I think you should also be aware this is not a Fuji camera problem.

This can happen on any camera unless it is hermatically sealed. If air can get it then dust can get in and eventually it will get somewhere where you don't want it to be like the sensor, the EVF or inbetween the elements of the lens.

Check all the forums including the SLR forums and you'll see the same story. In fact it's worse for the SLR guys as each time they take off the lens they have a big hole in front of the sensor. Same problem for lenses, lots of guys in the Nikon and Canon SLR forums shelling out big money for lenses with dust in.

So that's the situation unpallatable or not. If it came like that then Fuji should so something about it. It it happened after delivery then they don't have to do a thing but speak nicely to them and they probably will help you out.

If you want the truth, that's it. If you want everyone to say they have the same problem: they haven't. It's not very common, and if you want to make a fuss and complain at Fuji, then you'll probably be stuck with it, have to pay for a cleaning job or unload it like you did your 6900.

That's probably the best advice you'll get whether you see it or not. In any case you do have my sympathy, assuming you've treated the camera like a precision instrument and not chucked it around like an old sock.
Ian
It's dirt on the CCD or possibly in the lens, but most likely the CCD.
If it's a new camera and it was delivered like that then it should
go back and be replaced assuming you have done nothing to
contribute to it.
It is normal over time I'm afraid, and I think we all expect to
send the camera away for cleaning eventually. But I'm thinking 2
years plus.
To get it on 2 cameras is very odd, and did it actually come like
that or was it ok when it arrived? What's the air quality like
where you live? Is there a lot smoke, or dust particles in the air?
regards
Ian
--
6900
 
It's dirt on the CCD or possibly in the lens, but most likely the CCD.
If it's a new camera and it was delivered like that then it should
go back and be replaced assuming you have done nothing to
contribute to it.
It is normal over time I'm afraid, and I think we all expect to
send the camera away for cleaning eventually. But I'm thinking 2
years plus.
To get it on 2 cameras is very odd, and did it actually come like
that or was it ok when it arrived? What's the air quality like
where you live? Is there a lot smoke, or dust particles in the air?
regards
Ian
The thing is it's ALWAYS in a bag ... never without close cap when set to off. I use it daily and it's my favorite "gadget" ... so I really take care. (specially take care about dust ... but history repeats it self).

Unsharpness in max tele mode and barrel like in wide mode .... is another thing ti talk about ...as well as the poor SILVER COLOR on W/T control key wich comes off after cca 4000 pics .... I am very dissapointed in FUJI and I wanted to buy S2 Pro. Good thing I didn't ... I ordered Canon D60 instead.
I just hope I could fix this camera so I can sell it as fast as I can.

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Marko Butrakovic
GSM +385.91.537.9113
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http://www.butrakovic.com
 
It's dirt on the CCD or possibly in the lens, but most likely the CCD.
If it's a new camera and it was delivered like that then it should
go back and be replaced assuming you have done nothing to
contribute to it.
It is normal over time I'm afraid, and I think we all expect to
send the camera away for cleaning eventually. But I'm thinking 2
years plus.
To get it on 2 cameras is very odd, and did it actually come like
that or was it ok when it arrived? What's the air quality like
where you live? Is there a lot smoke, or dust particles in the air?
regards
Ian
--
6900
 
Well Marko, good luck with the D60.

I really am sorry for you and my reason for writing this way is to try to make you see through your anger, that the only people that can help you are Fuji, and they don't have to, but be nice to them and they might. They have cleaned the CCD before for people that have asked nicely but they don't have to.

The D60 is a really great camera. Really great but check it out, it has huge problems with dust on the CCD too. You can buy special swabs to clean the CCD with and you'll probably need to do just that every few months or 1000 shots.

Some threads from the Canon forum about dust problem. Do the same seach here and you'll find 2 or 3 in the last year.
http://www.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1019&message=3631028
http://www.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1019&message=3041816
http://www.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1019&message=3240271
http://www.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1019&message=3085448
http://www.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1019&message=3109363
http://www.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1019&message=3104912
http://www.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1019&message=3104098
http://www.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1019&message=3093677

Good luck and I hope you see my point now. Please stay cool and ask them nicely to help you. You'll get much better results that way.
Ian
It's dirt on the CCD or possibly in the lens, but most likely the CCD.
If it's a new camera and it was delivered like that then it should
go back and be replaced assuming you have done nothing to
contribute to it.
It is normal over time I'm afraid, and I think we all expect to
send the camera away for cleaning eventually. But I'm thinking 2
years plus.
To get it on 2 cameras is very odd, and did it actually come like
that or was it ok when it arrived? What's the air quality like
where you live? Is there a lot smoke, or dust particles in the air?
regards
Ian
The thing is it's ALWAYS in a bag ... never without close cap when
set to off. I use it daily and it's my favorite "gadget" ... so I
really take care. (specially take care about dust ... but history
repeats it self).
Unsharpness in max tele mode and barrel like in wide mode .... is
another thing ti talk about ...as well as the poor SILVER COLOR on
W/T control key wich comes off after cca 4000 pics .... I am very
dissapointed in FUJI and I wanted to buy S2 Pro. Good thing I
didn't ... I ordered Canon D60 instead.
I just hope I could fix this camera so I can sell it as fast as I can.

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Marko Butrakovic
GSM +385.91.537.9113
[email protected]
http://www.butrakovic.com
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6900
 
My FinePix S602 camera exhibits the same problem with the "dirt spot" positioned almost exactly at the same place on my pictures as it is on your picture. "Dirt spot" becomes visible on pictures taken at apertures smaller than, say, F/4 and shrinks becoming darker as the aperture shrinks.

My camera had this problem since the very beginning. I think of it as a camera signature of its kind haha and it really doesn't bother me that much. By the bye, have you bought yours at "Info Gama"?
Pozdrav.
I have this problem with my new 602z ... as from today I have some
weird dirt spot and it's more visible at f 8-f 11 ....
I had this problem with my old 6900 but I sold it before I serviced
it.
Any ideas? Is this a big problem?
Sample of the small sized pic (100k) with this spot is here:



--
Marko Butrakovic
GSM +385.91.537.9113
[email protected]
http://www.butrakovic.com
 
Thanks for your kindness ... I acctually wanted to get some advice about is there any known way to opet the sucker and clean it my self ? (since closest service is 500 miles from me and I'll be probablly at least a month without a camera - trust me I know how the things work in my country...)

Are there any schemes how to remove lens and get to the CCD to air-blow it or smt
 
My FinePix S602 camera exhibits the same problem with the "dirt
spot" positioned almost exactly at the same place on my pictures as
it is on your picture. "Dirt spot" becomes visible on pictures
taken at apertures smaller than, say, F/4 and shrinks becoming
darker as the aperture shrinks.
My camera had this problem since the very beginning. I think of it
as a camera signature of its kind haha and it really doesn't bother
me that much. By the bye, have you bought yours at "Info Gama"?
Pozdrav.
Damn right I did !! Those f*cks .... What do they told you ...did you tryed to make a service and did they took any money for it ?
 
My FinePix S602 camera exhibits the same problem with the "dirt
spot" positioned almost exactly at the same place on my pictures as
it is on your picture. "Dirt spot" becomes visible on pictures
taken at apertures smaller than, say, F/4 and shrinks becoming
darker as the aperture shrinks.
My camera had this problem since the very beginning. I think of it
as a camera signature of its kind haha and it really doesn't bother
me that much. By the bye, have you bought yours at "Info Gama"?
Pozdrav.
Damn right I did !! Those f*cks .... What do they told you ...did
you tryed to make a service and did they took any money for it ?
I haven't tried any of that and I'm not going to :). I'll live with it unless there is a relatively easy way to open the sucker up and clean whatever needs cleaning.
 
This should help you clean the CCD if you want to.
http://www.geocities.com/theolumens/uitelkaar.html

I've had the back off my 6900 and cleaned the EVF, and it comes off quite easily. There are a number of places where dust gets in: around the EVF, through the card port and where the lens goes in and out.

Having an adapter tube does help a lot but I really don't think you'll ever stop it unless you get a 1D.
All the best
Ian
Thanks for your kindness ... I acctually wanted to get some advice
about is there any known way to opet the sucker and clean it my
self ? (since closest service is 500 miles from me and I'll be
probablly at least a month without a camera - trust me I know how
the things work in my country...)
Are there any schemes how to remove lens and get to the CCD to
air-blow it or smt
--
6900
 
This should help you clean the CCD if you want to.
http://www.geocities.com/theolumens/uitelkaar.html
I've had the back off my 6900 and cleaned the EVF, and it comes off
quite easily. There are a number of places where dust gets in:
around the EVF, through the card port and where the lens goes in
and out.
Having an adapter tube does help a lot but I really don't think
you'll ever stop it unless you get a 1D.
All the best
Ian
I had a quick look and then BLAMMM no page :

The web site you are trying to access has exceeded its allocated data transfer. Visit our help area for more information.

Would you be so kind to forward this HTML in it's original form (if you have it) on my mail ?
 
This should help you clean the CCD if you want to.
http://www.geocities.com/theolumens/uitelkaar.html
I've had the back off my 6900 and cleaned the EVF, and it comes off
quite easily. There are a number of places where dust gets in:
around the EVF, through the card port and where the lens goes in
and out.
Having an adapter tube does help a lot but I really don't think
you'll ever stop it unless you get a 1D.
All the best
Ian
I had a quick look and then BLAMMM no page :

The web site you are trying to access has exceeded its allocated
data transfer. Visit our help area for more information.

Would you be so kind to forward this HTML in it's original form (if
you have it) on my mail ?
--
6900
 
Yes, I think you should also be aware this is not a Fuji camera
problem.
This can happen on any camera unless it is hermatically sealed. If
air can get it then dust can get in and eventually it will get
somewhere where you don't want it to be like the sensor, the EVF or
inbetween the elements of the lens.
Check all the forums including the SLR forums and you'll see the
same story. In fact it's worse for the SLR guys as each time they
take off the lens they have a big hole in front of the sensor. Same
problem for lenses, lots of guys in the Nikon and Canon SLR forums
shelling out big money for lenses with dust in.
So that's the situation unpallatable or not. If it came like that
then Fuji should so something about it. It it happened after
delivery then they don't have to do a thing but speak nicely to
them and they probably will help you out.
If you want the truth, that's it.
If dust can easily get behind the lens under normal use, it clearly shows there is a design fault. The fact that other makes of cameras have the same problem does not make it right.

The trouble is these days there are far too many people who just accept poorly designed products as the norm. Personally I don't, and never will let any manufacturer fob me off with some lame excuse, or even worse blame their shoddy workmanship on the user of their products. The only way we, the consumer will get good quality products is by complaining when things are not right. Nothing will change all the time the vast majority sit on their backside and do nothing.
If you want everyone to say they
have the same problem: they haven't. It's not very common, and if
you want to make a fuss and complain at Fuji, then you'll probably
be stuck with it, have to pay for a cleaning job or unload it like
you did your 6900.
Sorry Ian, but on the issue of dust behind the lens of 602's I have to say you're quite wrong. I've personally have had two (out of the box) 602's with the same problem, so it's more common than you think.

Best regards,

Del
 
My FinePix S602 camera exhibits the same problem with the "dirt
spot" positioned almost exactly at the same place on my pictures as
it is on your picture. "Dirt spot" becomes visible on pictures
taken at apertures smaller than, say, F/4 and shrinks becoming
darker as the aperture shrinks.
My camera had this problem since the very beginning. I think of it
as a camera signature of its kind haha and it really doesn't bother
me that much. By the bye, have you bought yours at "Info Gama"?
Pozdrav.
Damn right I did !! Those f*cks .... What do they told you ...did
you tryed to make a service and did they took any money for it ?
I haven't tried any of that and I'm not going to :). I'll live with
it unless there is a relatively easy way to open the sucker up and
clean whatever needs cleaning.
Davy Wrote:

I had a thesame problem as well but mine was in the CCD pixels,,, it was a bad pixels..

I returned my s602 4 times before I had decided to make a refund!!!!

I found the problem by doing the following:

1. put the lens cover to make a total blank screen in the LCD and EVF..

move the zoom (+ and -) slowly and look at your screen to check if a bright tiny spot will come up...sometime it disappears as you move on the zoom.. also it moves on at thesame time when you move the zoom... you can see this both on the LCD and EVF.

took some shot when I saw this tiny spot and this was remained on my picture even after transffering the photos into my PC. This was in my fist s602.

2. my second s602 passed the first test... (ive learned from my experience on how to test it)...\ But think about the dead pixel again ... I used my paint brush in the PC to take a shot of different dark and light colors (RED, BLUE, BROWN,,etc)..

Replayed this colored photos on my s602 and used the zoom to magnify it and the up,down, left and right arrows to move around the colored pictures... You know what I got a thesame problem as what igot on my frist s602... So when you make the dead pixel present on your LCD or EVF and save it into VGAfile (or trimmed it).. the tiny pixel wil different color will stay on your photos..

3. The 3rd s602 had a thesame problem as well..

4. The 4th had passed all of my testing above.. but this time the dead pixel was on the LCD... no problem found on the EVF..

Definitely it was in the LCD because the bad pixel did not show up on my PC... after I transferred the photos. I've always noticed this when I deleted all of my photos and got this color blue screen... the bright tiny pixel stay on the same place.. since I could not live with it I just decided to return my s602 and make a refund.

To be honest I like the camera... I like its SLR looks and the features.. specially the 6x zoom. although yes there is aproblem during low light environment but I think I can resolve it by learning how to use the manual settings... also this low light problem is expected because I heard about it already in this forum and in the DCRP review of the s602.

I was trying to attach some of my photos to show you the effect of the dead pixels but I can not do it..

Now I am still thinking of trying another s602 on a different store...this maybe the last time.. I will let you know the result..

Just sharing my bad experience with s602..
 

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