If we do own Zuiko lenses...

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... flipping the intention of a prior thread I'd say that the E-5 makes a lot of sense. It's easy to get caught up in the new greatest sensors and technologies. However, anyone who gets serious gets a bunch of lenses. If there are bodies that can do the job with those lenses it doesn't make much sense to switch.

I see the E-3 (which I use) as roughly equal to the older Nikon D2X (though not quite as responsive). Professionals managed pretty well with that Nikon; we can manage quite well with the E-3 / E-30 (and in some contexts the E-1 and other models). It's pretty clear the E-5 is a material advance on the E-3 / E30. Seems a good bet to me, then.
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speaking from someone who had the pany fz35 (and still use as my go to camera)

I leave that thing on auto and just shoot. 18x zoom, very fun lightweight camera.

But, I was given and e620 and then and e5 as it was released. I must say dslr is

a big change, but oh so much fun. I'm learning about aperture, and one trip to the Renaissance fair with the e620 and kit 40-150 (I should have put on the kit 14-45)
I knew I wanted more.

I now have an e5 with 12-60 and 50-200. the 50-200 is a horse of a lens, but man it is sweet. I will not part because I LOVE these lenses, the HG especially, though the kit lenses are fantastic for what they are. kit lenses...

I plan on letting my daughter use the e620 with kit lenses as I learn with the e5 as it's too large for her. Oly glass rules!

Sorry, was this not the point of the thread? hehe
 
Does the E-5 make sense if one has few, if any, HG or SHG lenses?

For what I have, and what I do, the E-5 is overkill... Not to say I wouldn't buy one if I had that much spare cash, or could write it off.

My hope is there'll still be an E-30 for me when I'm finally ready to upgrade, then maybe an e-5 (or an E-xx even?) when I'm ready to replace that... but at this rate we're talking beyond 5 years, which is a lifetime in digital terms.
For now I'll just see how long I can milk the 520 :)

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As O P Stated, - if we do own ZD lens - that must weighted , especially for a Pro WHO need to deliver. One of the key argument argument for e5 I keep hearing is the lens. But know that, ZD are veryf fine lens, but that does not mean others do not made also such fine lens. If , for a PRO, to be able to look into the future and work it now. the 4/3 and E5 cannot be said to be a wise or even logical choice. Yes it fill certain need, but those need can be filled by others also.

One of the key advantage Olympus advertised when they first launch the 4/3 is Quality kept while bulk and package be made compact. Honestly speaking they fail that. They just had to try that with m4/3 for now. But so far I am not seeing a PRO / Semi-Pro m4/3 platform yet. We will have to wait and see ..

E5, IMHO, is more swan song than logical , sensible, choice (n especially not so for a PRO )

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... flipping the intention of a prior thread I'd say that the E-5 makes a lot of sense. It's easy to get caught up in the new greatest sensors and technologies. However, anyone who gets serious gets a bunch of lenses. If there are bodies that can do the job with those lenses it doesn't make much sense to switch.

I see the E-3 (which I use) as roughly equal to the older Nikon D2X (though not quite as responsive). Professionals managed pretty well with that Nikon; we can manage quite well with the E-3 / E-30 (and in some contexts the E-1 and other models). It's pretty clear the E-5 is a material advance on the E-3 / E30. Seems a good bet to me, then.
Yes, the E-5 is a very good bet for Digital Zuiko owners. I originally felt let down by the "modest" improvement over the E-3. It has since become clear to me that the E-5 is the "ultimate E-3" with most shortcomings addressed. I am rearranging my entire 4/3 kit, including bodies, lenses, and flash, to accept the E-5.

Anyone with Digital Zuiko HG and SHG glass should, IMO, be looking closely at the E-5.

Jim Pilcher
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I see the E-3 (which I use) as roughly equal to the older Nikon D2X (though not quite as responsive). Professionals managed pretty well with that Nikon; we can manage quite well with the E-3 / E-30 (and in some contexts the E-1 and other models).
Hang fire... lets put that into context!

The D2x came out in something like 2004. It certainly can take some super images, and many believe that in the right, controlled conditions (like a studio), it still produces superior images to a D3.

But in that era, it got totally obliterated by the Canon offerings if you needed low noise at high ISO (which many, MANY pros do on a daily basis), and it also got severely outclassed in terms of resolution when at around the same time the 1DSII came out, let alone the 1DSIII after it.

Pro's jumped ship in droves to Canon for these reasons. Most people admitted that Nikon had superior handling and focusing abilities, but Canon wasn't that far behind there, and in sensor technology, they were way ahead. So people (pros) switched. Nikon was still doing well in the APSc market, but if they would have continued with the same path of being generations behind with the sensors, their pro market sector would be so much smaller than it is now, that its unlikely they would continue with it, and they'd be looking to concentrate solely on the lower end cameras (hmmmmm.....) or pull out entirely!

So many professionals did NOT manage pretty well with the D2x when their competitors were able to produce images in situations where they could not. That's why they switched to Canon! And that's why Nikon were forced to pull the stops out (boom boom) and come out with the D3 and D3x. Their pro market sector would be virtually dead by now if they had stalled at the D2x as being their ultimate progression.

If you are saying that you personally are happy to be managing with technology that is just a smidge behind what was ok for pros to use back in 2004, then fair enough. But I suspect that many amateurs would like to have a lot of the same advantages that contemporary professionals currently have. That's why so many non-pros are buying 5DII and D700 cameras!
 
I think the E-5 is a good thing for now as I don't want to switch systems at the moment with so much changing or about to change in DSLR - you could switch to Nikon and in a few years time they be going mirrorless too.

I would like Oly to bring out a 620 replacement just by changing the image quality to that of the E-5 as sometimes I like to carry a back up camera/another camera with a different lens on and I don't want to carry 2 E-5 around - not that I could afford 2! If they bring out a better PEN maybe that would do if it could AF all my lenses.
 
I've been experimenting with my newly acquired MZD 14-150. And while it's very convenient, very small, focuses fast, quiet and very accurate, it's not a 50-200, by any stretch.

The MZD, like the ZD kit glass, just can't keep up with the big fellow in less than bright sunlight. Goes soft at the longer focal lengths, and no, high ISO does not counteract that. So you're keeping an eye on the aperture, and an eye on the available light with the Pen and 14-150. The 50-200? Not a concern, it's sharp no matter what. Looks like F2.8-F3.5 is the sweet spot for a 4/3 sensor.

As I tend to shoot in a shaded hardwood forest a lot, it's particularly noticable. I've had a ball with the Pen and this sweet little lens, but my E3 and HG ZD glass are still the go to solution when I want to get serious about capturing something.
 
The E 5 is looking like a wonderful addition to our 4/3's gear.

Even without it, I have no interest in replacing my 10 or so 4/3's lenses with direct replacements of any other brand. Not to mention the TC's, flashes, macro flashes and other Oly gear I have collected over 5 years. (that is IF I could even replace them directly)

Does it make sense for me to continue adding to the stable? With the E 5, I say yes. From what I'm seeing, the E 5 is everything I had hoped the E 3 would have been.

Weddings will be much easier now.
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Well, Mr. Big Ga (good name, by the way), I was waiting for this response. Not to disagree, mind you; you're right. The D2X had some limitations, especially at higher ISOs, that contemporary Canons did not. But the D2X also worked outside the studio - Steve McCurry used one for his (large page) book Looking East (I asked him). Further, I see the E-5 as really not that limited at all, if I am not mistaken. I don't have one yet - I'll wait for the price to drop somewhat. But the wedding photographer's experience that was linked to a while ago suggests that the E-5 can readily handle weddings, which I take to be fairly challenging. So I THINK the E-5 will manage pretty much any pj or wedding like assignment. I think wildlife would be well handled. It COULD handle sports, though if that were my focus I'd buy a Canikon.

As for buying an E-5 if I didn't own lenses, I don't know. I like the 4:3 aspect, the smaller lenses (admittedly not MUCH smaller), and the greater dof (which is generally a lot more useful than less dof). I think however I'd be worried about the longer-term developments and not buy in. Moreover, I think that the main FT advantages (more discrete, smaller) will be better realized in mFT down the road.

Still, my main point is that for most purposes the E-5 will work well and that it doesn't make sense (for me at least) to change horses just now.

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Big Ga wrote:
That's why so many non-pros are buying 5DII and D700 cameras!

Are they? I see FF being only a tiny niche.
 
... flipping the intention of a prior thread I'd say that the E-5 makes a lot of sense.
Flipping the intention of a prior thread, I'd say that if you don't have any friends already, then the thing to do is to ensure that you're not going to have those silly influences in the future either! Switching to Canon or Nikon might attract those people you've been working so diligently to avoid for the past five years.

I made my decision five years ago, and now I'm "doubling down", as the Americans say - just bought a used Panasonic / Leica Summilux 25mm f1.4 on eBay. :-)

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As some who owning the 2 kit lenses, 70-300mm and 12-60 lenses (as well as an FL-50 flash) I am keen on adding a second FT body to my old E-510.

While it does look like the E-5 is a big improvment over E-3, it is much too expensive for me ... even if the wife okayed, I can't bring myself to burn that kind of cash

My only option now is look for an E-620 at a bargain price (this X'mas maybe?)

I did consider the MFT alternative but dropped the idea for now ...

Kris
 
Sorry, I don't follow. Does this follow from my comment that if I were a sports photographer I'd probably use a Canikon even though the E-5 would do all right?

For what it's worth, I don't hold anything against the other brands and have owned four semi pro and pro Nikon film cameras and many Nikkors - though I own none now. Actually my favorite all time was a beat up Nikon S3 (rangefinder) with a 35mm f/1.8 lens. They're expensive these days and not worth it except for sentimental reasons. Still, I do look longingly at them some times.
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As some who owning the 2 kit lenses, 70-300mm and 12-60 lenses (as well as an FL-50 flash) I am keen on adding a second FT body to my old E-510.

While it does look like the E-5 is a big improvment over E-3, it is much too expensive for me ... even if the wife okayed, I can't bring myself to burn that kind of cash

My only option now is look for an E-620 at a bargain price (this X'mas maybe?)

I did consider the MFT alternative but dropped the idea for now ...

Kris
Correction...for the downright silly price of $450, you can get an E-600 with two lenses (refurbished).

http://www.adorama.com/IOME600K1R.html

I'm tempted, myself. If the E620 had used the BLM1 instead of BLS1, I might have gone there instead of my E30. No regrets, really, but I may give my bro my gently used 520 and take the 600 for myself :).

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But the D2X also worked outside the studio
I never said it didn't. I pointed out that in certain controlled situations it is at least on par with many of its alternatives.

Its just such a pity that so much photography is done outside the realm of 'controlled situations'
  • Steve McCurry used one for his (large page) book Looking East (I asked him).
And?

Thats totally irrelevant to my point. I seem to recall that Steve shot his famous Afghan girl image using film on a Nikon SLR (although that's from a Sunday morning not yet caffeinated memory!). But I'd be willing to bet that if you asked him whether he'd shoot another assignment like that now, leaving aside any issues of nostalgia, if you have him the choice of his film camera, a D2x, or a D3s/D3x, then which one do you think he'd choose? (I'll give you a clue, it won't be the D2x!)
Further, I see the E-5 as really not that limited at all, if I am not mistaken. I don't have one yet - I'll wait for the price to drop somewhat. But the wedding photographer's experience that was linked to a while ago suggests that the E-5 can readily handle weddings, which I take to be fairly challenging.
You are mistaken.

Everything is 'limited' in some ways, and everything exists within the context of what other options exist at the same point in time (unless you happen to be a 1022 bubble dweller of course).

So while I have no doubt that someone could shoot a wedding with an E5, I am also just as certain that many aspects of that job would be limited in comparison to having shot it with a top pro body from one of the big two.
As for buying an E-5 if I didn't own lenses, I don't know. I like the 4:3 aspect, the smaller lenses (admittedly not MUCH smaller),
Some are indeed smaller. But some are BIGGER. And many people are talking about only being worth upgrading to an E5 if you have the SHG lenses, and nearly all of those are bigger than their equivalents.
and the greater dof (which is generally a lot more useful than less dof).
Come come now. There is no ability for FT to magically obtain 'greater DOF'. I thought all these equivalence threads (and for some .... even real life shooting!) would have proved that. Seems its not the case. Ho hum .... guess we still need a few thousand more threads on the matter before it starts to sink in ....
I think however I'd be worried about the longer-term developments and not buy in. Moreover, I think that the main FT advantages (more discrete, smaller) will be better realized in mFT down the road.
I agree. However don't you see how bizarre the E5 and the SHG lenses actually are therefore, as they are the complete antithesis of what you've just described!
Still, my main point is that for most purposes the E-5 will work well and that it doesn't make sense (for me at least) to change horses just now.
That may very well be the case. Its probably the exact same case for someone like myself who is also looking at the E5 with interest (although I confess I can't remember exactly what YOU use your oly cameras for). The trouble begins when you start to justify the purchase with words like 'professional', 'wedding', 'equivalent' and such.
 
Big Ga wrote:
That's why so many non-pros are buying 5DII and D700 cameras!

Are they? I see FF being only a tiny niche.
Compared to what? sure, it is a tiny niche compared to all the millions of point and shoot cameras that get sold, but in the context of the typical person who reads DPR and the SLR fora, I suspect its fairly significant.

I mean, you only have to look at the amount of people who have jumped ship around here. I'd say a VERY large proportion have gone Full Frame, rather than switch to anything else.
Hmmmm...... might actually be interesting to do a headcount and see?
 
Yes, I agree that refurbed E-600 looks very tempting ... I had to talk myself out of hitting the buy button last week when I saw this deal :-)

The battery (for both E-600 & E-620) is definitely an issue (compared with the E-510). I also found the grip will need some getting used to. Probably the E-30 is a better option ...
As some who owning the 2 kit lenses, 70-300mm and 12-60 lenses (as well as an FL-50 flash) I am keen on adding a second FT body to my old E-510.

While it does look like the E-5 is a big improvment over E-3, it is much too expensive for me ... even if the wife okayed, I can't bring myself to burn that kind of cash

My only option now is look for an E-620 at a bargain price (this X'mas maybe?)

I did consider the MFT alternative but dropped the idea for now ...

Kris
Correction...for the downright silly price of $450, you can get an E-600 with two lenses (refurbished).

http://www.adorama.com/IOME600K1R.html

I'm tempted, myself. If the E620 had used the BLM1 instead of BLS1, I might have gone there instead of my E30. No regrets, really, but I may give my bro my gently used 520 and take the 600 for myself :).

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Dave
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