Joint top all-time APS-C sensor score for Sony A55

Comparing with the canon cameras the A55 handily beat both the 550D and 7D. The 7D had slightly better high iso, but lost a lot on a full stop less DR.
Yet, the DPR review rates the year-old 550D a percentage point higher. It seems like Sony has just caught up and not leap-frogged as you would like to wish - Making the high score irrelevant, no?
Are you comparing an in part subjective overall camera rating from one site to an in part subjective weighing of measured results from RAW data from another site?

Either way, the measured data tells us the Sony sensor did leapfrog the Canon APS-C sensor, both in terms of S/N and DR.
 
Comparing with the canon cameras the A55 handily beat both the 550D and 7D. The 7D had slightly better high iso, but lost a lot on a full stop less DR.
Yet, the DPR review rates the year-old 550D a percentage point higher. It seems like Sony has just caught up and not leap-frogged as you would like to wish - Making the high score irrelevant, no?

What was your point in posting the "Canon sensors in 7D and 60D behind the curve?" in the Canon forum anyway?

BTW, I own neither Sony, Canon or Nikon and am looking for my 1st DSLR and am sorting through the hype.
DPR score on many factors which are neglected by dxomark. It is perfectly unsurprising therefore when the final results are somewhat different.

My point in posting to the canon forum was exactly what i said there: to indicate that the raw sensor peformance from canon had fallen behind, and that therefore canon would need to dedicate attention to this in order to catch up.
 
While you complain about Walt being repetitious and you beg him to give it a rest, you do the same thing but in the opposite direction.

Definately a "pot-kettle" situation.

Do you deny its boring?
No one is stopping you from posting some nice photos showing your excellent photo techniques jim. In any case, there's been so much negativity here in th elast months why not be happy when there is some good news which helps guarantee long term support for a-mount? It's great news for anyone invested in km/sony gear.
No, I actually don't think the news that the A55 topped out the dxomark score for aps-c (for now, the A580 should surpass it soon) is boring at all. That's why I started a thread about it. If I'm still starting threads about it in 2 years time you can justifiably call me boring ;)
 
Are you comparing an in part subjective overall camera rating from one site to an in part subjective weighing of measured results from RAW data from another site?

Either way, the measured data tells us the Sony sensor did leapfrog the Canon APS-C sensor, both in terms of S/N and DR.
No, I'm comparing the real-world DPR review of the 550D to the real-world DPR review of the new A55. In which the older 550D comes out ahead - which pretty much renders the DXO results useless in the real world. ;)

...like I said, I have no dog in this race - just sorting through the hype.
 
Personally I think its a tragedy that Sony can manufacture this good of a sensor and cant put it in a great camera leaving Nikon to do it for them. I have the a55 and its just to small and the EVF just cant take advantage of the new AF system. That said the a55 is a great camera for the money within limited usage from the body size. I like the EVF myself ( and my wife loves it ) and when it can keep up with 6/10 fps with a little more DR with modes to overcome Studio issues watch out. I am not ruling out that if the a77 improves the EVF and of coarse is in a larger body that ill be back. I only sold my 500mm and a700 for this reason. I certainly think its reason for Sony fanboys to celebrate but then again I think we already knew Sony could produce a great sensor.....its the cameras ( and jpeg engine ) they have trouble with.

Looking forward to SLT/EVF technology improvements in the a77 and my 12 year old daughter is having some fun with the a55 in the meantime ( fits her hands very well ). I think its an exciting time to be a photographer period at the rate of improvements we are seeing. I do have a criticism, guys if you have never shot mid range Canon you have no idea how poor the Sony jpeg system is....its worse than reviews lead you to believe even. Canon jpegs out the camera blow me away I was totally unprepared for that. I always thought that was a bit over hyped but I got to admit i was wrong...

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Canon 7D w Sig 150-500 OS
Sony a700 with HVL56AM
Sony a55 ( Wife )
Sigma 10-20mm
Minolta 50mm F1.4
Minolta 28-75 F2.8 Japan
Sony 18-55 ( Kit )
Tamron 70-200 F2.8 Di
Tamron 28-105 F2.8
Tamron 28-200 3.5-5.6
Tamron 200-500 5-6.3 Di
 
Are you comparing an in part subjective overall camera rating from one site to an in part subjective weighing of measured results from RAW data from another site?

Either way, the measured data tells us the Sony sensor did leapfrog the Canon APS-C sensor, both in terms of S/N and DR.
No, I'm comparing the real-world DPR review of the 550D to the real-world DPR review of the new A55. In which the older 550D comes out ahead - which pretty much renders the DXO results useless in the real world. ;)
There is a subtle but important difference between the methodologies used by DPR and DXO. DXO attempt to be strictly quantitative and objective. DPR are neither. Their final score is subjective and time/segment dependent. The assessment of the final suitability of a camera for a specific user cannot be simply made by looking at the final score from DPR, becuase if you use the camera for e.g. sports or portraiture the performance will be widely different. DXO does not have this characteristic. It may be flawed, but it's flawed systematically for all the cameras it tests. It should not be the basis for a decision on a camera purchase in isolation, but then, neither should the final score from dpr. You need to define what you will do with the camera, and how you will handle the work flow, then assess each camera based on these needs.
 
Personally I think its a tragedy that Sony can manufacture this good of a sensor and cant put it in a great camera leaving Nikon to do it for them. I have the a55 and its just to small and the EVF just cant take advantage of the new AF system. That said the a55 is a great camera for the money within limited usage from the body size. I like the EVF myself ( and my wife loves it ) and when it can keep up with 6/10 fps with a little more DR with modes to overcome Studio issues watch out. I am not ruling out that if the a77 improves the EVF and of coarse is in a larger body that ill be back. I only sold my 500mm and a700 for this reason. I certainly think its reason for Sony fanboys to celebrate but then again I think we already knew Sony could produce a great sensor.....its the cameras ( and jpeg engine ) they have trouble with.

Looking forward to SLT/EVF technology improvements in the a77 and my 12 year old daughter is having some fun with the a55 in the meantime ( fits her hands very well ). I think its an exciting time to be a photographer period at the rate of improvements we are seeing. I do have a criticism, guys if you have never shot mid range Canon you have no idea how poor the Sony jpeg system is....its worse than reviews lead you to believe even. Canon jpegs out the camera blow me away I was totally unprepared for that. I always thought that was a bit over hyped but I got to admit i was wrong...
Yep Canon JPEG engins are very good :-)
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Canon 7D w Sig 150-500 OS
Sony a700 with HVL56AM
Sony a55 ( Wife )
Sigma 10-20mm
Minolta 50mm F1.4
Minolta 28-75 F2.8 Japan
Sony 18-55 ( Kit )
Tamron 70-200 F2.8 Di
Tamron 28-105 F2.8
Tamron 28-200 3.5-5.6
Tamron 200-500 5-6.3 Di
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"Some chicken....Some neck!
 
Personally I think its a tragedy that Sony can manufacture this good of a sensor and cant put it in a great camera leaving Nikon to do it for them. I have the a55 and its just to small and the EVF just cant take advantage of the new AF system. That said the a55 is a great camera for the money within limited usage from the body size. I like the EVF myself ( and my wife loves it ) and when it can keep up with 6/10 fps with a little more DR with modes to overcome Studio issues watch out. I am not ruling out that if the a77 improves the EVF and of coarse is in a larger body that ill be back. I only sold my 500mm and a700 for this reason. I certainly think its reason for Sony fanboys to celebrate but then again I think we already knew Sony could produce a great sensor.....its the cameras ( and jpeg engine ) they have trouble with.

Looking forward to SLT/EVF technology improvements in the a77 and my 12 year old daughter is having some fun with the a55 in the meantime ( fits her hands very well ). I think its an exciting time to be a photographer period at the rate of improvements we are seeing. I do have a criticism, guys if you have never shot mid range Canon you have no idea how poor the Sony jpeg system is....its worse than reviews lead you to believe even. Canon jpegs out the camera blow me away I was totally unprepared for that. I always thought that was a bit over hyped but I got to admit i was wrong...
I'm pretty sure that the 550D (129x98x75), which is a very similar size to the A55 (124x92x85), is sold to many, many adults, so your poor 12 year old daughter must have freakishly large hands.

I use a 500D all the time at work and own a 5D. This enormous difference in the jpeg engine performance I simply do not see. Are you sure you're taking pictures correctly with the A55, and haven't entered some strange custom setting for the jpeg develpment? Better still, why not show us all what you mean, and we could give you some advice on how to improve the output from the A55.
 
Are you comparing an in part subjective overall camera rating from one site to an in part subjective weighing of measured results from RAW data from another site?

Either way, the measured data tells us the Sony sensor did leapfrog the Canon APS-C sensor, both in terms of S/N and DR.
No, I'm comparing the real-world DPR review of the 550D to the real-world DPR review of the new A55. In which the older 550D comes out ahead
Both of which are a subjective weighing of factors of what the reviewer thought was important. That doesn't render any other comparison useless by any means, unless you and the reviewer are the same person or share the absolute same subjective standards.

In other words, for many people, this has little to nothing to do with measured results from DXO.
  • which pretty much renders the DXO results useless in the real world. ;)
See above.
 
In other words, for many people, this has little to nothing to do with measured results from DXO.
For many people the higher scientific DXO results have little to nothing to do with the real-word results when the Sony algorythm is unable to convert that data as effectively as Canon with it's lower DXO mark.

...my first 35mm camera was a Minolta, my first digital camera a Sony but I highly doubt my first DSLR will be a Sony.
 
In other words, for many people, this has little to nothing to do with measured results from DXO.
For many people the higher scientific DXO results have little to nothing to do with the real-word results when the Sony algorythm is unable to convert that data as effectively as Canon with it's lower DXO mark.
Not sure what you're referring to, but maybe the Jpeg engine, which is another subjective factor.

I'll take the Sony RAW files over those from the Canon without a doubt, whereas before it was the other way around.
 
In other words, for many people, this has little to nothing to do with measured results from DXO.
For many people the higher scientific DXO results have little to nothing to do with the real-word results when the Sony algorythm is unable to convert that data as effectively as Canon with it's lower DXO mark.
what are you talking about exactly? Less effective in what way? have you used either camera?
...my first 35mm camera was a Minolta, my first digital camera a Sony but I highly doubt my first DSLR will be a Sony.
 
what are you talking about exactly? Less effective in what way? have you used either camera?
Less effective in beating the 550D (as a whole package including jpeg engine). Here we have a thread raving about the highest DXO mark for an APS-C camera yet dpreview ranked the new A55 lower than older 550D.

I find it amusing that some say the 76% achieved by the A55 is actually great when compared to the 77% raniking by the 550D. Great in what way when the 18mp sensor is so inferior?

This crushing DXO victory has not translated into the A55 crushing the 550D. Why?

...the A55 is an awesome camera - just not super awesome ;)

dpreview: AUG 2010 http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/sonyslta55/
dpreview: APR 2010 http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canoneos550d/
 
what are you talking about exactly? Less effective in what way? have you used either camera?
Less effective in beating the 550D (as a whole package including jpeg engine). Here we have a thread raving about the highest DXO mark for an APS-C camera yet dpreview ranked the new A55 lower than older 550D.
A hair less according to 2 subjective ratings from 3 different reviewers of one website compared.
 
Of course, everything you say is true.

Unfortunately, all the rabid cheerleading on this site may be needed to calm the fears of new entry level buyers but it does make for a pretty boring site.

Which this has become.
Jim,

This is for you and all the other "nay" sayers on here, coming from a newb point of view.

What would have changed in his post had he stated "SUB $600? The fact is this; from a newb's point of view (thats me), there is no other camera on the market today (that I could find) that could offer even 80% of what this camera offers and still come in at less the $1200 US dollars. Therefore, the intent of his comment was in good faith. $500 $600...... whats the difference, when compared to the next runner up at OVER $1100? Geesh, give the guys a break.

It is a great camera for a beginner like myself. I had the Rebel XT for 4plus years and never took it off of "AUTO" because I did not find it overly easy to experiment with. In other words, I had a very expensive P&S camera. Now with having the A55 for several weeks and over 800 shots, I hardly use auto, because it is so easy to see what choices have been made, and the be aware of what changes do to the final picture.

It is a great beginner camera for someone who wants to learn about the DSLT, and has ABOUT $600ish to spare.
....I dont care...... just dont be such a horses posterior.

Now, rip me apart too..... I know very little about the "techy" side of cameras, but I know a good deal when I see one..... go ahead, make a newb look like a fool
 
The reviewers here give marks for incremental improvements. Since the Canon 550D comes from a line stretching back to the 300D or earlier, and the Sony a55 is the first of a new design that's one reason the 550D comes out one point ahead.

If you look at the marks given to the NEX5 after the version 3 firmware you see that the DP reviewers are willing to give 5% for a more conventional operating system. This is another reason that the 550D noses ahead in their ratings.

When you look at the overall ratings, you should think about what's most important to you. For me, image quality is way more important than other factors.
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John Dunn
Portraits: http://www.fototime.com/users/[email protected]/Portraits
 
sorry

http://www.dxomark.com/index.php/eng/Camera-Sensor/Sensor-rankings/Sheet-view

seems that things are a bith changed...so with the same sensor the differenceare amazing..let's wait the nikon d7000
With 73 points from dxomark the A55 has achieved the same score as the D90, the first camera in this format to do so. This compares with the 66 scored by the A550 and A700 by dxomark.

The A55 outperformed the A33 in high iso perfomance, DR and color were very similar.

Comparing with the canon cameras the A55 handily beat both the 550D and 7D. The 7D had slightly better high iso, but lost a lot on a full stop less DR.

Overall, for a sub-500 quid camera with this kind of performance it's hard not to recommend it.

http://www.dxomark.com/index.php/en/Camera-Sensor/Compare-sensors
 

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