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So far folks have talked about V3 enabling the aperture to be "held" when shooting video. That leaves me a bunch of questions:

A) With the VG10, the only way to lock exposure is to use M mode. In all other modes, the camcorder continues to use AE.

When folks say the current aperture is "held" -- do they mean the aperture continues to be used, but the camera is still using AE?

Or, do they mean -- using the current aperture, the exposure is locked?

B) If you set Exp Comp before pressing RECORD, does it continue to be used?

C) When you review, do you see the Exp Comp for the clip?

D) Once recording has started, does the Exp Comp control allow exposure adjustments?

E) When you set aperture in Ap mode, you see the shutter-speed the camera has chosen. When you press RECORD, do you continue to see it and the aperture?

F) When you review, do you see both for the clip?

G) When you set aperture in Ap mode, you also see the ISO/Gain the camera has chosen (if AUTO) or the one you've selected. When you press RECORD, do you continue to see it?

H) When you review, do you see the ISO/Gain for the clip?

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I) Can you see the histogram when recording video?

J) When you enter the VG10's Sp mode and dial a speed, the Dial remains live! That's wrong for video because once set to 1/60th one doesn't want the value accidently changed. Does the NEX-5 Dial remain live in Sp mode?

++++ Video Recording NOT from Ap mode +++++

K) Assume you enter Sp mode and set shutter-speed. The camera now chooses an aperture based upon it plus ISO/Gain and Exp Comp. When you press RECORD, are the current ISO/Gain, current shutter, and current aperture all used?

In other words, does video mode "hold" the current aperture if you are in Sp when you press RECORD? (Setting a shutter-speed is more typical of what video shooters do first.)

L) Assume you enter P mode and camera sets both shutter and aperture based upon upon it plus ISO/Gain and Exp Comp. When you press RECORD, are the current ISO/Gain, current Exp Comp, current shutter, and current aperture all used?

In other words, does video mode "hold" the current aperture if you are in P mode when you press RECORD?

M) Assume you enter M mode and set both shutter and aperture. When you press RECORD, are the current ISO/Gain, current Exp Comp, current shutter, and current aperture ALL used?

In other words, does video mode "hold" the current aperture if you are in M mode when you press RECORD?

THANK YOU IN ADVANCE!
 
The aperture is locked, but, the ISO and shutter are continually adjusted... if you want to lock exposure (ISO/shutter) and focus.. hold the shutter button down (this is undocumented).
dvcinlv said:
So far folks have talked about V3 enabling the aperture to be "held" when shooting video. That leaves me a bunch of questions:

A) With the VG10, the only way to lock exposure is to use M mode. In all other modes, the camcorder continues to use AE.

When folks say the current aperture is "held" -- do they mean the aperture continues to be used, but the camera is still using AE?

Or, do they mean -- using the current aperture, the exposure is locked?

B) If you set Exp Comp before pressing RECORD, does it continue to be used?

C) When you review, do you see the Exp Comp for the clip?

D) Once recording has started, does the Exp Comp control allow exposure adjustments?

E) When you set aperture in Ap mode, you see the shutter-speed the camera has chosen. When you press RECORD, do you continue to see it and the aperture?

F) When you review, do you see both for the clip?

G) When you set aperture in Ap mode, you also see the ISO/Gain the camera has chosen (if AUTO) or the one you've selected. When you press RECORD, do you continue to see it?

H) When you review, do you see the ISO/Gain for the clip?

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I) Can you see the histogram when recording video?

J) When you enter the VG10's Sp mode and dial a speed, the Dial remains live! That's wrong for video because once set to 1/60th one doesn't want the value accidently changed. Does the NEX-5 Dial remain live in Sp mode?

++++ Video Recording NOT from Ap mode +++++

K) Assume you enter Sp mode and set shutter-speed. The camera now chooses an aperture based upon it plus ISO/Gain and Exp Comp. When you press RECORD, are the current ISO/Gain, current shutter, and current aperture all used?

In other words, does video mode "hold" the current aperture if you are in Sp when you press RECORD? (Setting a shutter-speed is more typical of what video shooters do first.)

L) Assume you enter P mode and camera sets both shutter and aperture based upon upon it plus ISO/Gain and Exp Comp. When you press RECORD, are the current ISO/Gain, current Exp Comp, current shutter, and current aperture all used?

In other words, does video mode "hold" the current aperture if you are in P mode when you press RECORD?

M) Assume you enter M mode and set both shutter and aperture. When you press RECORD, are the current ISO/Gain, current Exp Comp, current shutter, and current aperture ALL used?

In other words, does video mode "hold" the current aperture if you are in M mode when you press RECORD?

THANK YOU IN ADVANCE!
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Is this also on the NEX-5 or just the VG-10?
Jogger said:
The aperture is locked, but, the ISO and shutter are continually adjusted... if you want to lock exposure (ISO/shutter) and focus.. hold the shutter button down (this is undocumented).
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no, you cant set the iso or shutter... it just locks it from the point that you hold onto it, those values arent even displayed on the screen!

this is for the NEX3/5.. im not sure about the VG10
izash said:
Also, does this mean I can set the shutter speed to 1/50 when recording video on the NEX-5?
izash said:
Jogger said:
The aperture is locked, but, the ISO and shutter are continually adjusted... if you want to lock exposure (ISO/shutter) and focus.. hold the shutter button down (this is undocumented).
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it is odd. all they needed to do was use the current settings for video in ASM modes, not just A mode. Therefore allowing you to use manual mode. And obeying current ISO settings (does it currently follow the set ISO or is that forced to auto-ISO)

and can you comment on the 'shutter button locks exposure' thing? I'm wondering if you can use that to somehow 'encourage' settings you want to use for the clip - eg by shooting in a dark area to slow the shutter speed, pressing the shutter button and then moving into a lighter area?
 
I'm hoping they were too busy with adding features for firmware 3 with custom menus, and such rather than ignoring the video part.

Of course, I'm not really holding my breath for Sony to add manual controls in video mode, because they want to sell more VG10's.

(I'm not buying one.)
 
Hey thanks for the info Jogger, that's a potentially useful trick to force approximate shutter/ISO levels. Maybe one can shine a bright torch to trick the sensor into going low ISO.
 
dvcinlv said:
So far folks have talked about V3 enabling the aperture to be "held" when shooting video. That leaves me a bunch of questions:

A) With the VG10, the only way to lock exposure is to use M mode. In all other modes, the camcorder continues to use AE.

When folks say the current aperture is "held" -- do they mean the aperture continues to be used, but the camera is still using AE?

Or, do they mean -- using the current aperture, the exposure is locked?

B) If you set Exp Comp before pressing RECORD, does it continue to be used?

C) When you review, do you see the Exp Comp for the clip?

D) Once recording has started, does the Exp Comp control allow exposure adjustments?

E) When you set aperture in Ap mode, you see the shutter-speed the camera has chosen. When you press RECORD, do you continue to see it and the aperture?

F) When you review, do you see both for the clip?

G) When you set aperture in Ap mode, you also see the ISO/Gain the camera has chosen (if AUTO) or the one you've selected. When you press RECORD, do you continue to see it?

H) When you review, do you see the ISO/Gain for the clip?

----------

I) Can you see the histogram when recording video?

J) When you enter the VG10's Sp mode and dial a speed, the Dial remains live! That's wrong for video because once set to 1/60th one doesn't want the value accidently changed. Does the NEX-5 Dial remain live in Sp mode?

++++ Video Recording NOT from Ap mode +++++

K) Assume you enter Sp mode and set shutter-speed. The camera now chooses an aperture based upon it plus ISO/Gain and Exp Comp. When you press RECORD, are the current ISO/Gain, current shutter, and current aperture all used?

In other words, does video mode "hold" the current aperture if you are in Sp when you press RECORD? (Setting a shutter-speed is more typical of what video shooters do first.)

L) Assume you enter P mode and camera sets both shutter and aperture based upon upon it plus ISO/Gain and Exp Comp. When you press RECORD, are the current ISO/Gain, current Exp Comp, current shutter, and current aperture all used?

In other words, does video mode "hold" the current aperture if you are in P mode when you press RECORD?

M) Assume you enter M mode and set both shutter and aperture. When you press RECORD, are the current ISO/Gain, current Exp Comp, current shutter, and current aperture ALL used?

In other words, does video mode "hold" the current aperture if you are in M mode when you press RECORD?

THANK YOU IN ADVANCE!
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Yikes! I might be missing something here, but this thread went from confusing to more confusing...

I own both the NEX-VG10 and NEX-5. Here's what I know:

1. The v3 firmware update for the NEX-5 only holds the aperture at a set level for video shooting, but even so, all of the other functions continue to adjust exposure automatically, including shutter speed.

2. Whatever you set the "Exposure Value" or "Exposure Compensation" to, that will merely throttle by a few notches up or down from whatever roving exposure occurs outside the M mode.

3. If you DO have the NEX-5 (as well as the NEX-VG10) in M mode, then you can indeed lock the overall exposure.

I rather dislike this, at least I think. My previous shooter for video, the HDR-XR500v, simply let you lock the overall exposure to a set amount, and that was that. I dislike having to go totally manual with these NEX cameras to achieve the same result.

I hope to hear more feedback, thanks.
 
Does this do anything for the strange video motion?
AFAIK the strange due to capturing frames faster than 60fps.
Don't know if locking shutter speed helps that any.

Wish they'd just give us shutter priority to lock down on 60 and 30 fps.

Mike
Jogger said:
no, you cant set the iso or shutter... it just locks it from the point that you hold onto it, those values arent even displayed on the screen!

this is for the NEX3/5.. im not sure about the VG10
izash said:
Also, does this mean I can set the shutter speed to 1/50 when recording video on the NEX-5?
izash said:
Jogger said:
The aperture is locked, but, the ISO and shutter are continually adjusted... if you want to lock exposure (ISO/shutter) and focus.. hold the shutter button down (this is undocumented).
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Great info Jogger!

Since I'm used to the VG10, let me confirm how the NEX-5 works:

1) I set ISO to AUTO. (For the VG10 the limit is +21dB which is VERY clean.)

2) I set WB.

3) I can set Exposure Comp to -.3 or -.6 to compensate for Sony's bias to over exposure.

4) I enter Ap mode.

5) I adjust the aperture until the shutter-speed is between 1/30th and 1/80th. I may need ND filters.

6) I press Video Record. Now as long as the illumination does not change, all current settings remain. Correct?

If illumination changes, I would expect shutter-speed is the first to change. Correct?

7) Are you saying that during video shooting, the shutter and aperture read-outs go away?

8) If after pressing Record I hold down the shutter-button (half or full???) nothing will change. Correct?

9) What about AF? I assume it remains active during shooting. Correct?

But, if you press the shutter button -- does it also lock?

On the VG10, if at any time you press the shutter-button it forces the camera to run through the entire focus range looking for the sharpest setting. This is really useful for when AF gets stuck -- which it does from time to time. Can the NEX-5 do this?

Lastly, what happens if your press Video Record while in M, P, or Sp mode?
 
I have just been playing with my NEX5 in manual mode and if I hold the shutter button half way down it locks exposure and focus, while recording video, until released.
I had no idea about this until I read this thread, thanks.
 
Neil Jack said:
I have just been playing with my NEX5 in manual mode and if I hold the shutter button half way down it locks exposure and focus, while recording video, until released.
I had no idea about this until I read this thread, thanks.
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But isn't it safe to say as well that the safest way to go, if wanting to lock exposure, is to go to M mode? Seems like the more reliable solution.
 
focuspulling said:
But isn't it safe to say as well that the safest way to go, if wanting to lock exposure, is to go to M mode? Seems like the more reliable solution.
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Maybe for exposure but I was more excited that I could lock the focus.

I have had problems with people moving in front of the target and the speedy focus changing. Now i can lock focus and exposure on and off a will.

Neil
 
"But isn't it safe to say as well that the safest way to go, if wanting to lock exposure, is to go to M mode? Seems like the more reliable solution."

1) Isn't it the case that HOLDING Aperture ONLY works if you press RECORD while in Ap mode?

2) If so you can NOT use M mode for video.

3) Before you press RECORD, when you are in Ap mode, you can see both shutter-speed and aperture. So by adjusting Aperture you can set Shutter-speed. (You'll likely need set of ND filter.)

4) BUT, can anyone confirm that when you press RECORD the aperture stays constant -- that the shutter-speed remains what it WAS?

I ask because ISO is in AUTO and in theory the NEX could decide to use it to change the shutter-speed. For example, the VG10's PROGRAM mode always try to keep the shutter-speed at 1/125th.

If the NEX-5 has the same program, you could use the aperture to push the speed to 1/60th. But when you press RECORD, the NEX-5 MIGHT add a stop of gain to move the shutter-speed back to 1/125th.

The designers clearly focused on stills and so they designed the NEX series -- even the VG10 -- to seek a higher-shutter speed than should be used for video.

Could someone take a STILL in Ap mode (and AUTO ISO) forcing the shutter to 1/60th. Then check that data on the still to see if the speed stayed at 1/60th.

Thank you!
 
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