RC helicopters for aerial photography?

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I'm seriously considering going into real-estate aerial photography flying rc helis. I've never flown one. I don't own on yet. Initial budget would be some sort of limited.

Once I learn to fly a beginners heli, I'm planning on buying a bigger one that can lift a small camera. So far, I think the best choice currently would be the Canon S95 for its feautures and performance and for being able to take the CHDK hack.
Any comments, info and suggestions would be extremely appreciated.
Eduardo
 
And how will you see what the S95 sees as it flies hooked onto the rc chopper? Hit and miss is more often miss than hit. If I wanted to do aerial RE photos, I'd select all the locations I wanted to shoot and rent a real chopper for a hour or two shooting with my Nikon D330s and charging accordingly. Most people but a property based upon what it looks like from the ground. I do think aerial photos could enhance sales of expensive and extensive estates. Those sellers can afford the production costs of real time, on board aerial photos.

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This one I can speak on. As a long time RC pilot Heli's and fixed wing (big). I can tell the OP Learning to fly a heli isn't easy nor inexpensive.

Currently there are quite a few RE firms using RC helie's but they also have a active system to see what they are flying over for the shots.

And then there are the regulatons,local,state and federal. Oh year and don't forget the insurance/liability, etc.
Have fun!!!
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From someone who flies RC planes I wish you good luck!

Seriously, it will take you around 1-2 years to get the basics of flying an RC Chopper, then probably at least another couple before you could do it with a camera.

Now, to even carry the payload and provide a decent stable platform, You will probably be at least a 60 sized chopper - and once you get to this size, the cost is rather high - plan on spending at least $7k on just this Helicopter, and by this time, you will have already spent at least 15K on several smaller ones (yes, you will crash them and write off your brand new $3k toy at least a few times)

Far cheaper to hire out a full-sized one.
 
this was a topic article in a recent PhotoDistrict News issue
there are camera specific rigs available.
some of the them are quite as dangerous as a full helicopter.

Launching and flying in a neighborhood may attract a certain amount of official attention too.
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Hi

While it sound funny, I think its one of the least feasable ideas I have encountered.

What would you gain? Lower cost? More flexibility? Access to areas where a plane or a chopper can't fly?

As others have said, how will you see what the camera see? And control exposure, focus etc.
And to use a compact camera with its small sensor? Features - what for?

How much will this idea cost you, when the chopper falls from the sky with your camera and lens.

I planned and ran a real-estate air photografy operation in Norway.

If you just want one shot of a property - for sale - you will pretty much know what direction to take it from - hire a small plane. Use a GPS module to keep track of locations.
If you need several shots from different angles, hire a chopper.
Plan several shootings together.

If this is unpractical to you, buy or rent one of the new personal chopper solutions.
I'm seriously considering going into real-estate aerial photography flying rc helis. I've never flown one. I don't own on yet. Initial budget would be some sort of limited.

Once I learn to fly a beginners heli, I'm planning on buying a bigger one that can lift a small camera. So far, I think the best choice currently would be the Canon S95 for its feautures and performance and for being able to take the CHDK hack.
Any comments, info and suggestions would be extremely appreciated.
Eduardo
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I am not going to comment on whether you should or shouldn’t go down this route, but I do think some of the costs and levels of difficulty in some of these posts have been rather exaggerated to say the least!

I have flown fixed wing RC models since 1971 and much later took up RC helicopters in the days when the sophistication of the helicopters themselves, radio control equipment and gyros (for help in keeping the tail under control) was very low and flying them was much more difficult than it is today.

Today, many people start off by buying an RC ‘Flight Simulator’ (which is a bit like a computer game but very specific to flying RC models and tries to emulate the real thing) to master the basics. Practicing on a sym can be done at any time, day or night and in any weather conditions. If you crash, it’s free, just reset and away you go again. While a sim is not exactly the same as flying the real thing, after practice on a sim the step to flying an actual RC model is much easier and cheaper! Typically Simulators start at about £70 and go up to a couple of hundred pounds. With some you need to also buy a transmitter (the control box used to fly the heli) and some come with their own.

To help learn even faster, once you have a bit of experience on the sim and have made the step towards flying a real model, join a model club which has instructors. They will use a ‘buddy lead’ to connect two transmitters together so you then have dual controls (just like in a driving instructor’s car). Under the instructor’s guidance, with the security of them being to take control if you get in a muddle and with the experience gained on the sim you will soon pick it up.

One point here….although no one is actually ‘born a pilot’, some do pick the skill up faster than others.

Once you can fly the heli competently then you get in to the camera bit. Simply mounting and firing (from your transmitter) a camera under a model heli is actually quite simple to do and there are several websites illustrating how it’s done. Like everything however you can leave the basics behind and make the camera mount/operation incredibly complex and versatile if that is what you want to do. Seeing what the camera sees is also very cheap and easy to do using an on-board miniature video camera with a wireless downlink to a monitor/laptop. These can be purchased on ebay for less than £50.00.

If all the above seems too easy to be true, well of course I haven’t gone in to everything in fine detail in this post, but it’s not as expensive and as difficult as some have made out.

Now you can fly, can see what you are shooting and can control the camera, you hit the legal bits.

In the UK there are strict rules governing the use of model aircraft both for pleasure and commercial gain. There is no point in going in to them here because where you are the rules will no doubt be different.

There are many companies around the world who use RC helis for aerial photography. Some of the helis/systems are very basic and some are bespoke designs that cost a fortune. If you look on the internet it won’t take long for you to find them. Hobby fliers too do it for fun, sometimes they record just video and post the ‘in-flight movie’ on youtube.

To conclude, I am not suggesting that it will only take a couple of weeks and £200 to do it, but don’t be put off by exaggerated negative comments either.
 
I've seen good results from a company that specialize in this type of work for video and stills.
I spoke to the owner -he said that his learning curve was expensive.
He however had some really different pics.(of a golf course and a big home).
He had two rc choppers, one was at least 6 foot long.
Definitely can be done and done well.

Expect to pay a lot and learn to fly a small model first. Might take a year or even eighteen months to make it happen. Its also got some good sports application potential.
 
Heh, this got me interested in doing some research. Considering that we live on opposite sides of the globe I'd suspect it's OK for me to share how I'd do it.

I'd buy a MikroKopter Octa2:

https://www.mikrocontroller.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=80&products_id=506&zenid=c02d823d14649323f17b27b1ec8a381d

but replace the motors and propellers with stronger ones:

https://www.mikrocontroller.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=73&products_id=535&zenid=c02d823d14649323f17b27b1ec8a381d

https://www.mikrocontroller.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=75&products_id=532&zenid=c02d823d14649323f17b27b1ec8a381d

and the battery with two bigger ones:

https://www.mikrocontroller.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=87&products_id=533

I'd also buy both the NaviControl:

https://www.mikrocontroller.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=69&products_id=282&zenid=c02d823d14649323f17b27b1ec8a381d

and camera cradle with pivoting that fits a Canon 5DII.

In this set-up the copter is able to carry a payload up to 3.4KG which leaves plenty of room for the camera. It also apparently includes quite a lot of computing power, and with the NaviControl includes features like autonomous hovering.

I'd then buy the Canon 5DII as mentioned earlier, as well as a WTF-E4 transmitter for it. This transmitter allows live-view as well as full camera controls over Wifi with a range of up to 150m. And, there you have it.
 
My good friend is an aerial photograper. I have piloted for him while he hangs out the window with his D700. Often the number of circuits and photos that needed is high ..just to get the right lighting and proper composition. Many retakes are necessary because as aircraft rides any rough air currents the shooter's aim is thrown off. The greater the altitude and wider the shot the better but real estate shots need to be low and tight. Even with that type of camera (and 70-200 2.8)you need to frame tight to get all the detail with the right exposure.

I was the shooter last Sunday from a 2 seat kit built helicopter. Same thing ..a little gusty wind makes it very challenging. It's getting cold here now so thermals weren't an issue but I could see that with wind and thermals even that size of chopper would be just a moderately stable platform. We had doors on and without them it may have been worse as the bubble could trap gusts at certain angles.

I can't imagine getting really high quailty shots from a tiny RC chopper. I think it would get bounced around pretty good unless shooting early morning or late evening in calm air, and the equipment vulnerability would be prohibitive. Agent to photographer "you dropped it again??? my gosh ..what a mess ...how high???"

The technicals of seeing what you are doing with it would be an even bigger challenge. Nothing's impossible though ...if you have government-depth pockets.

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Oh geeze! Now I have to get one!
 
Thanks guys. I appreciate your time writing about what you think. It is excellent to be able to see both sides of the coin.

I live in Yucatan. Very few developments are willing to pay for real aircraft service. Most developments I have met that requested me aerials backed up because of the price of flying, not because of my fees.

Because most developments are small, they don't need high altitude photography. As a matter of fact, I've been requested mostly for photos under the low altitude limit of any man aircraft.

I'm aware of the difficulty of this project. The learning curve can be steep but no more than a few months, I think. I know I'm gonna crash eventually, so I'm considering cheap point&shoot cameras. They are plenty good for videos and photos for the web and living room presentations.

As for the rc aircrafts difficulty of flying, I'm even looking for RC blimps, but those I've found so far are too big and for high altitude. As I said, I think my flying range would be from 2 stories high to maybe 10 at the most. I think that in very rare ocassions, I would need to get higher though.

I'm also considering pole photography but they are awkward and can get to be really expensive too.
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Eduardo
 
If you just need elevated views, what about a boom truck?

that would get you thirty to sixty feet up.
I've done that and it is a real change in perspective.
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Here in Kentucky / USA, I know BLIMP photographers.. about the size of a mini van and not at all cheap, however, with up to a 300' teather, steering fan motors, servos to aim the camera and a live video feed to your operating vehicle, you have a STABLE non-vibrating platform which can be quite useful.

The extension pole rigs I've seen can be trailer mounted or truck/van mounted, google them, there are several vendors with lengths up to maybe 100'. Sounds like you may be in the market for a 50' version.

Personally, I occasionally use a 4 section 14' tall lightstand to get a slightly elevated angle on things. A friend uses a telescoping pole from a big box hardware store with some adaptions for his elevated shooting - maybe 20-24' if you can find the pole.

I think most handy DIY people could find a way to take a couple sections of Ham Radio towers and extension poles...and guy wires - to rig a workable tower in the height you need. Talk to your local handyman / DIY / Ham radio contacts. Other than having to shoot from the peremiter of a site rather than being able to hover directly overhead (helo or blimp), you should be good.
 
I fly full size fixed wing and RC everything. This can be done, there are plenty of companies and one man shops doing just this thing with DSLR's mounted.

One of the better forums is at http://www.helifreak.com

The direct link to the AP forum is http://www.helifreak.com/forumdisplay.php?f=53

To be brief.. to fly a heli, you first need to learn to take off and land. You do both by learning how to hover.. You crash, you fix, you crash you fix, you crash you fix. Eventually it comes like second nature. I learned on a flight sim and will say RealFlightG4 is about 95% accurate for learning to fly an RC heli. That being said, there are a few very good autopilots out there, a couple of them specifically for AP. You set the altitude, push a button and the heli will level climb and hover. You push another button and it will auto-land.

To lift a DSLR and decent glass, you'll need a 600-700 sized heli at a minimum.

Good luck and be safe!!
 

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