Thom, RRS, and Tripods

I recieved half of the stuff today. The stuff from B&H, meaning the tripod, leveler and leg pads. OT, I guess I just cant understand those who post bad things about B&H on these forums. I have had nothing but great success in dealing with them. I ordered the stuff on Saturday and I call Monday morning to talk about the leveling pad and possibly cancel that part of the order. Sorry! Too late, the order was filled Saturday evening and on the truck the same day. The truck was headed out (8:04 Monday). Oh yeah, sorry but that leveler won't work on the 12XX series tripods. No problem, here is the RMA number, send it back when you get it.

Anyway, the leveler will not work on the 1227/1228 or any 12 series tripod. At this point I am taking sours grape approach to the issue and saying that if you want the 1227/1228 series over the 13XX or 14XX series you are really concerned about weight anyway. The leveler would just add more weight so who needs it. us the bubble levels on the tripod head and level it that way.

So the leveler is going back tomorrow. Thats $160 off my excursion.

My first impression when unboxing the tripod was, "Huh, this is it!" No shiney metal, no crank, no braces between the legs, no real handles to screw or clip. I paid $450 for this? I paid less than half of that for my Bogen 3051, and look at all the shiney parts and knobs on it! I thought, "Man I am a sucker!" But after playing with it for a while I have come to the conclusion that yes it is worth the price. Not because it has $450 dollars worth of metal and knobs but because it is probably the lightest, simplist to use, and smoothest tripod I have ever used. So far I am very impressed with the simplicity of this tripod. The three section legs easily release and slide in and out effortlessly. And the center pole moves equally as smoothly up and down after a half twist of the release knob. That is it! No fluff, no bright lights, no fancy gears and gadgets, just a very very very light weight and smoothly operating tripod. Sometimes it is hard to accept, but in this case we are paying for simplicity, lightweight, and smooth operation. This Carbon Fiber tripod fits the bill well. And if I were a nature photographer, I wouldn't mind carrying this thing all day long up and down hills.

I will say that while this is a very sturdy and reliable tripod, it seems to me to be a little too light weight for my RZ. The brochure says it will work for anything but the really long RZ lenses but I don't know. I like the lower center of gravity and heavy mass provided by my 3051 when I place a heavy MF camera on top. In all fairness, there is hook on the bottom of the center pole to hang some kind of weight. Presumably this would be a camera bag as I it defeats the purpose of having a light-weight tripod if you have to carry extra weight for it. I think it will work very well with my 35mm and DSLR gear. Others might think it is overkill in the price department for a set of legs. To each his own.

I also ordered the leg pads for this tripod. Basically these are just pieces of that cylindrical gray pipe insulation available at home stores with a nicely knited sock over them. Again, probably not much in some peoples eye for $30 but they do give the tripod a nice look and will come in handy when flinging the tripod over my shoulder. Since the tripod is carbon fiber and not metal, the pads really do not provide insulation to keep my hands from freezing to the metal on cold days. I think these are OK and give the tripod a nice look but they are certainly not a necessity by any means.

Since I havn't yet received my Kirk Ballhead, I can't comment on it. But I am looking forward to trying it out with the L braket that I ordered for my D1X. I am hoping this combo will give me the easy and solid flip from horizontal to vertical and vice versa that I am looking for. I presently have a Bogen 3047 pan head on it and it seems to work just fine. Although I am concerned that the head weighs more than the tripod.

This is a great tripod for 35mm or DSLR field photography. It is super lightweight and works smoothly. It is pretty much impervious to weather and dust. Those with heavier cameras or those looking for a heftier set of legs may want to consider the larger models.
 
I recieved half of the stuff today. The stuff from B&H, meaning
the tripod, leveler and leg pads. OT, I guess I just cant
understand those who post bad things about B&H on these forums. I
have had nothing but great success in dealing with them. I ordered
the stuff on Saturday and I call Monday morning to talk about the
leveling pad and possibly cancel that part of the order. Sorry!
Too late, the order was filled Saturday evening and on the truck
the same day.
Hope you enjoy your new toys.

But as to the "filled saturday evening" deal, all I have to say is "liar, liar, pants on fire". They close on friday afternoon and saturday. Perhaps you confused sunday with saturday. But that is a small point. :-)

Actually I really want to praise B&H. They are really the best. The guys across the pond are probably drooling. B&H runs like clockwork, and the cheapest. And they tell you whether they have the stuff, or not. No surprise.

I don't understand why the other mail-order stores don't just shut down, with perhaps Adorama as an exception, a backup to B&H.

--
JR
 
Tom,

1. Can you tell me the B&H numbers for the tripod legs that your ordered?

2. What is the B&H number for the leg pads?

I have problems navagating their site to find things, and it would save me all kinds of time.

3. Which L bracket did you order? Does it accomodate the SB80DX? Did you order that from RRS?

Weight is indeed an issue with me. My current tripod setup is hefty. I would really rather go with something lighter. Having made the $$$$ investment already (and not really happy with it because of the weight) I appreciate your comments. Played too much racquetball in my "youth" and hauling things over long stretches can be problematic.

4. I am also interested in how much the Kirk Ballhead adds to the whole system. Once it is on, do you STILL feel like you could tote this thing around all day on a hike or doing nature stuff?

5. How well do the legs allow you to "get down close and personal" with the nature shots?

Thanks,
JW

Tom Maxwell wrote:
It is probably the lightest, simplist
to use, and smoothest tripod I have ever used. So far I am very
impressed with the simplicity of this tripod. The three section
legs easily release and slide in and out effortlessly. And the
center pole moves equally as smoothly up and down after a half
twist of the release knob. That is it! No fluff, no bright
lights, no fancy gears and gadgets, just a very very very light
weight and smoothly operating tripod. Sometimes it is hard to
accept, but in this case we are paying for simplicity, lightweight,
and smooth operation. This Carbon Fiber tripod fits the bill well.
And if I were a nature photographer, I wouldn't mind carrying this
thing all day long up and down hills.
This is a great tripod for 35mm or DSLR field photography. It is
super lightweight and works smoothly. It is pretty much impervious
to weather and dust. Those with heavier cameras or those looking
for a heftier set of legs may want to consider the larger models.
 
1. Can you tell me the B&H numbers for the tripod legs that your
ordered?

2. What is the B&H number for the leg pads?

I have problems navagating their site to find things, and it would
save me all kinds of time.

3. Which L bracket did you order? Does it accomodate the SB80DX?
Did you order that from RRS?

Weight is indeed an issue with me. My current tripod setup is
hefty. I would really rather go with something lighter. Having
made the $$$$ investment already (and not really happy with it
because of the weight) I appreciate your comments. Played too much
racquetball in my "youth" and hauling things over long stretches
can be problematic.

4. I am also interested in how much the Kirk Ballhead adds to the
whole system. Once it is on, do you STILL feel like you could tote
this thing around all day on a hike or doing nature stuff?

5. How well do the legs allow you to "get down close and personal"
with the nature shots?

Thanks,
JW

Tom Maxwell wrote:
It is probably the lightest, simplist
to use, and smoothest tripod I have ever used. So far I am very
impressed with the simplicity of this tripod. The three section
legs easily release and slide in and out effortlessly. And the
center pole moves equally as smoothly up and down after a half
twist of the release knob. That is it! No fluff, no bright
lights, no fancy gears and gadgets, just a very very very light
weight and smoothly operating tripod. Sometimes it is hard to
accept, but in this case we are paying for simplicity, lightweight,
and smooth operation. This Carbon Fiber tripod fits the bill well.
And if I were a nature photographer, I wouldn't mind carrying this
thing all day long up and down hills.
This is a great tripod for 35mm or DSLR field photography. It is
super lightweight and works smoothly. It is pretty much impervious
to weather and dust. Those with heavier cameras or those looking
for a heftier set of legs may want to consider the larger models.
--

JW,

If you don't mind I will jump in on a few of your questions, I got the G1228 about 6 mo. ago, I love it, it has been undergoing some top changes, first it started off with the little ball, Manfrotto 210, it worked great with the 990's but was a joke with a D100/80-200 f2.8, so the old hand grip from Manfro #222 was the next unit (I had a 2 of them with my older systems) so take a very good lite pod and stick a very heavy head, not real happy, so now I have the Bogen bigger ball, 3055, it works OK, but the main problem is the camera will not stay "locked down" it will move side to side, I have one more try, (will bolt an old camera "Strobaframe anti-twist plate) to a 3041 mounting plate, maybe this weekend, after I kill about 10 hours with that, I will get a Kirk ball and a RRS plate and finally have done it right after oh 5 or 6 trys, (see Thoms comments about how it is much cheaper to do it right the first time and not buy all of the other stuff first)

Go to the Bogen/Manfrotto/Gitzo web page, get there product numbers and place the numbers into the search feild on the B&H main page, it will jump right to the item. B&H is great, I have never had any problem with them in maybe 20 buys over the years.

I have had great luck with the 1228 pod, I shoot a lot of small stuff on the sides of hills. by setting 2 of the legs at a very wide setting, the system will look like a large "T" but do great in close up.

Please note that the CF will get cool as hell, and rapping the legs will help a lot to keep your hand from frost bit.

MJB
 
Apart from the price, one also has to lug a stable tripod around. I dutifuly keep one in my car's trunk. But on hikes, I have only very rarely not been able to find some support for my camera -- rocks, tree trunks, you name it, and as they say -- the best things in life are free.
Tom
 
Thanks for your help, Michael. Couldn't remember the brand--just the number! Senior moment.
JWL
1. Can you tell me the B&H numbers for the tripod legs that your
ordered?

2. What is the B&H number for the leg pads?

I have problems navagating their site to find things, and it would
save me all kinds of time.

3. Which L bracket did you order? Does it accomodate the SB80DX?
Did you order that from RRS?

Weight is indeed an issue with me. My current tripod setup is
hefty. I would really rather go with something lighter. Having
made the $$$$ investment already (and not really happy with it
because of the weight) I appreciate your comments. Played too much
racquetball in my "youth" and hauling things over long stretches
can be problematic.

4. I am also interested in how much the Kirk Ballhead adds to the
whole system. Once it is on, do you STILL feel like you could tote
this thing around all day on a hike or doing nature stuff?

5. How well do the legs allow you to "get down close and personal"
with the nature shots?

Thanks,
JW

Tom Maxwell wrote:
It is probably the lightest, simplist
to use, and smoothest tripod I have ever used. So far I am very
impressed with the simplicity of this tripod. The three section
legs easily release and slide in and out effortlessly. And the
center pole moves equally as smoothly up and down after a half
twist of the release knob. That is it! No fluff, no bright
lights, no fancy gears and gadgets, just a very very very light
weight and smoothly operating tripod. Sometimes it is hard to
accept, but in this case we are paying for simplicity, lightweight,
and smooth operation. This Carbon Fiber tripod fits the bill well.
And if I were a nature photographer, I wouldn't mind carrying this
thing all day long up and down hills.
This is a great tripod for 35mm or DSLR field photography. It is
super lightweight and works smoothly. It is pretty much impervious
to weather and dust. Those with heavier cameras or those looking
for a heftier set of legs may want to consider the larger models.
--

JW,

If you don't mind I will jump in on a few of your questions, I got
the G1228 about 6 mo. ago, I love it, it has been undergoing some
top changes, first it started off with the little ball, Manfrotto
210, it worked great with the 990's but was a joke with a
D100/80-200 f2.8, so the old hand grip from Manfro #222 was the
next unit (I had a 2 of them with my older systems) so take a very
good lite pod and stick a very heavy head, not real happy, so now I
have the Bogen bigger ball, 3055, it works OK, but the main
problem is the camera will not stay "locked down" it will move side
to side, I have one more try, (will bolt an old camera "Strobaframe
anti-twist plate) to a 3041 mounting plate, maybe this weekend,
after I kill about 10 hours with that, I will get a Kirk ball and a
RRS plate and finally have done it right after oh 5 or 6 trys, (see
Thoms comments about how it is much cheaper to do it right the
first time and not buy all of the other stuff first)

Go to the Bogen/Manfrotto/Gitzo web page, get there product numbers
and place the numbers into the search feild on the B&H main page,
it will jump right to the item. B&H is great, I have never had any
problem with them in maybe 20 buys over the years.

I have had great luck with the 1228 pod, I shoot a lot of small
stuff on the sides of hills. by setting 2 of the legs at a very
wide setting, the system will look like a large "T" but do great in
close up.

Please note that the CF will get cool as hell, and rapping the legs
will help a lot to keep your hand from frost bit.

MJB
 
Tom,

1. Can you tell me the B&H numbers for the tripod legs that your
ordered?
Tripod G1227 -- I went with the 1227 over the 1228 because it only has 3 leg sections compared to 4 on the 1228. Fewer joints/rod sizes makes for a slightly more stable platform and easier setup/takedown. The collapsed length is not an issue for me as I don't do a lot of traveling requiring the tripod to be smushed into a suitcase. I am sure the 1228 is just as good for those who need the smaller size. Note these are not fancy tripods with lots of neatly engineered hardware marvels. You will wonder in your mind why they should cost so much. The answer is simple - they serve the purpose for which they were engineered, they work smoothly, and they should last forever as there is really nothing on them to break or wear out.
2. What is the B&H number for the leg pads?
G090-10B (note-I don't understand it but the pads were about 1.5 inches too long to fit well on the 1227. Perhaps they are a general product not really custom to the 1227. On the other hand, the pads are just foam type water pipe insulation under the sock which can easily be cut to length)
I have problems navagating their site to find things, and it would
save me all kinds of time.

3. Which L bracket did you order? Does it accomodate the SB80DX?
Did you order that from RRS?
No, No, No. The L-Bracket I ordered is for the camera not the flash. It mounts to the camera like a normal tripod quick release plate but it is shaped like an L with the short leg running up the side of the camera. The short side of the L has a quick release bracket on it as well. This enables the user to change the camera from a horizontal to a vertical orientation without having to flop the ball head over into its slot. I ordered the ballhead, L-braket, and other camera and lens plates from Kirk Photo. The ballhead is backordered for a couple of weeks.
Weight is indeed an issue with me. My current tripod setup is
hefty. I would really rather go with something lighter. Having
made the $$$$ investment already (and not really happy with it
because of the weight) I appreciate your comments. Played too much
racquetball in my "youth" and hauling things over long stretches
can be problematic.
The tripod weighs 3.4 lbs and can be picked up with your tongue, if you are so inclined. Ironically the BH1 ballhead from Kirk Photo weights about 2/3's of this amount or 2 lbs.
4. I am also interested in how much the Kirk Ballhead adds to the
whole system. Once it is on, do you STILL feel like you could tote
this thing around all day on a hike or doing nature stuff?
See 3. Yes indeed, compared to what I have been using, I could carry this tripod/ball head combination all day long - although I would not typically have the need to do so. Still, carrying this combo even across the parking lot to an oasis of lawn will be pleasant compared to the 3055 setup I have been using. For the nature hunter, compared to a bag full of big lenses, you won't even know you have it with you.
5. How well do the legs allow you to "get down close and personal"
with the nature shots?
Again very simple operation. The leg locking mechanisms are at the top of each leg (no single button release). It is not necessarily the simplist operation to perform (compared to one button systems) but the tripod legs will extend practically fully horizontally so you can get the camera righ down on the ground subject to the length of the center column. Don't quote me on this but I think the center column that comes with the tripod is about 12-14 inches long. You can purchase shorter or longer center columns if you wish. I don't think this tripod supports those fancey center column options of putting it in upside done or extending it out at a 90 degree angle. There are some models that do though which I think would be great if you do many macro nature shots.
Thanks,
JW

Tom Maxwell wrote:
It is probably the lightest, simplist
to use, and smoothest tripod I have ever used. So far I am very
impressed with the simplicity of this tripod. The three section
legs easily release and slide in and out effortlessly. And the
center pole moves equally as smoothly up and down after a half
twist of the release knob. That is it! No fluff, no bright
lights, no fancy gears and gadgets, just a very very very light
weight and smoothly operating tripod. Sometimes it is hard to
accept, but in this case we are paying for simplicity, lightweight,
and smooth operation. This Carbon Fiber tripod fits the bill well.
And if I were a nature photographer, I wouldn't mind carrying this
thing all day long up and down hills.
This is a great tripod for 35mm or DSLR field photography. It is
super lightweight and works smoothly. It is pretty much impervious
to weather and dust. Those with heavier cameras or those looking
for a heftier set of legs may want to consider the larger models.
 

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