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What is Chimp-Edit? Chimp-Edit is the ability to modify your photos within your camera. It's an important feature as if you chimp, you want to have a reasonable preview of your completed shot, but if you're properly exposing your photos, you expose to the right and reduce internal contrast due to relative overexposure, which will be reduced in post.

Nikon has had features like this for quite some time, but Canon has only introduced it with the 60D.

People actually buy cameras for superfluous features, you know; I bought the 500D over the D5000 because the 500D had a nice high-resolution screen while the D5000 had 640 resolution, making chimping a general nuisance. However, what I regret now is that I cannot get a modifiable preview; if I set my pictures to high contrast in order to compensate for overexposure, I can't evaluate the overall quality of the RAW file. If I set my pictures to low contrast in order to get high-accuracy RAW, I lose chimping quality.
 
Are you jpking? My LCD gets turned OFF , and stays that way.

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Inst said:
Chimp-Edit is the ability to modify your photos within your camera.
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A camera has limited computing and displaying power, user interface, software choice etc. compared to a fully-fledged computer for post processing. So I do not really see the point in editing the images inside the camera.

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I'm a chimpaholic but I don't ever edit the photos in camera. I have a computer with a much larger screen for editing.
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Play with it at home.
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Hadn't considered having a chimp edit photos, might be the next step.



Cheers,
Doug
 
Inst said:
What is Chimp-Edit? Chimp-Edit is the ability to modify your photos within your camera. It's an important feature as if you chimp, you want to have a reasonable preview of your completed shot, but if you're properly exposing your photos, you expose to the right and reduce internal contrast due to relative overexposure, which will be reduced in post.

Nikon has had features like this for quite some time, but Canon has only introduced it with the 60D.
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There are a lot of cameras on the market and a fair number of brands on the market. Some cases, there has been RAW processing (and edits) built in already pre this 60D. In other cases, some models allow you preview and choice before you make the real shot - in other cases some models allow you to post process in the camera after the shot.
Inst said:
if I set my pictures to high contrast in order to compensate for overexposure, I can't evaluate the overall quality of the RAW file.
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That's what I don't understand = "set high contrast to compensate for overexposure" how does that concept work? I don't understand the relationship
Inst said:
If I set my pictures to low contrast in order to get high-accuracy RAW, I lose chimping quality.
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That's the second one I don't understand. How does setting low contrast affect the accuracy of the RAW

BTW, you do know that the display image on the LCD is the embedded JPEG? Not the RAW? The camera processor is assumed not to be fast enough to render a JPEG impromptu and read the RAW file quick enough to display the RAW file in half a second? Whatever you see on the LCD is the already rendered JPEG, not the RAW, and the RAW is not affected by many of the settings in your camera (except a few things like ISO).

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AnandaSim said:
There are a lot of cameras on the market and a fair number of brands on the market. Some cases, there has been RAW processing (and edits) built in already pre this 60D. In other cases, some models allow you preview and choice before you make the real shot - in other cases some models allow you to post process in the camera after the shot.
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I think I'm just like you, the final picture is the one that comes out of the RAW converter on my computer or the one that comes out of the printer. The reason I think RAW Processing in-camera matters is because it allows you to have a preview of what the image will look like after raw-processing; color rendition and noise may not be perfect fidelity to what it'll look like on a proper raw converter, but it'll give you a reasonable preview of what it'll look like after it hits your computer.
AnandaSim said:
That's what I don't understand = "set high contrast to compensate for overexposure" how does that concept work? I don't understand the relationship
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I mean expose-to-the-right, with digital and slide film you are supposed to expose to the right of the picture in order to maximize the number of tonal gradations in your picture and minimize the amount of noise in the shadows. The result, before post-processing for dropping exposure, is that your images have a faded out look to them as everything is too bright. By increasing contrast, you make parts of the picture darker and make it look "normal" again.
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That's the second one I don't understand. How does setting low contrast affect the accuracy of the RAW
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It affects the accuracy of the chimp review, not the raw. The RAW file captured never changes, except for the fact that chimpers use the preview to help guide them in final RAW capture. By setting low contrast, the preview, on an aesthetic level, suffers, as everything is faded out, especially in ETTR, and there is no chiaroscuro. By setting high contrast, the preview on a technical level suffers as it becomes difficult to see what shadow and highlight details are retained.
AnandaSim said:
BTW, you do know that the display image on the LCD is the embedded JPEG? Not the RAW? The camera processor is assumed not to be fast enough to render a JPEG impromptu and read the RAW file quick enough to display the RAW file in half a second? Whatever you see on the LCD is the already rendered JPEG, not the RAW, and the RAW is not affected by many of the settings in your camera (except a few things like ISO).
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It depends, imo, in my experience if your camera is set to RAW+L, you get JPEG preview. If it's set to RAW with no accompanying JPEG, something else comes up. Perhaps it's a processed M JPG? Or perhaps it actually bothers to process the RAW, one picture at a time?
 
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AnandaSim said:
if I set my pictures to high contrast in order to compensate for overexposure, I can't evaluate the overall quality of the RAW file.
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That's what I don't understand = "set high contrast to compensate for overexposure" how does that concept work? I don't understand the relationship
AnandaSim said:
If I set my pictures to low contrast in order to get high-accuracy RAW, I lose chimping quality.
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That's the second one I don't understand. How does setting low contrast affect the accuracy of the RAW
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I shoot exclusively RAW and the LCD displays the JPG (and JPG blinkies). Therefore, I set my JPG contrast setting to minimum. If I see blinkies with -3 contrast, it may mean over/under exposure of the RAW . However, if I set JPG contrast to maximum, I may see blinkies that are not really relevant for the RAW data. Maybe a poor explanation but this is what I read into what the OP was saying.
Bert
 
you'd prefer to be able to get modifiable previews to evaluate raw images for both dynamic range and aesthetic quality.
 
Inst said:
What is Chimp-Edit? Chimp-Edit is the ability to modify your photos within your camera.
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Spawn of the devil.

A tiny LCD is not going to give anyone enough information to properly analyse their pictures.
Memory cards are cheap.

Take it home to a proper compootah with a proper big screen and sort it there : it's the only way to avoid stupid mistakes.
 
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