Samsung eX2

I'm with you on that 3rd point of contact, and I really like working with an optical VF, the EX1 screen is so good, that I don't mind it and developed some personal techniques to maximize stability (e.g. using my elbow against my body to provide a secure point of support). I'm not certain now that if I had an 80% coverage OVF vs the 100% AMOLED screen that I would use the OVF capability all that much if I had it.

While I also prefer to buy within my country for things where warranty and models sometimes differ (Canada), cross-border shoping at Vistek for such a simple and small accessory isn't probably not much of an issue.

Here a link: http://www.vistek.ca/store/DigitalCameraAccessories/251381/samsung-optical-viewfinder-for-ex1.aspx

riveredger said:

rogerstpierre said:

riveredger said:

I almost bought the EX-1. All I would want to see on an EX-2 would be the features of the EX-1 with an OVF

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You've got that already as an accessory, and you won't see this integrated in the camera as it would un-necessarily bulk it up while the AMOLED screen works in any light conditions. Having the OVF as an accessory, for the few that realy want it, makes the most sense and I don't see Samsung changing that.

riveredger said:

and the ability to turn off noise reduction.

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Shoot RAW

riveredger said:

I think I'd buy one at that point. I love the build quality and feel of the camera as is.

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Then perhaps you should buy one; it is a very good photographic tool, and your objections are pretty minor IMO.

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I like an OVF to add a third contact point for stabilizing my not-so-steady hands lol. I searched high and low on the internet, and i don't believe the accessory viewfinder is available in the USA. That speaks volumes about Samsung's commitment, if you ask me.

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Roger

Sorry I was posting from my cell phone, and only part of my last message was posted.

I was to say a 60-year-old relative has had his Panasonic touchscreen Point & Shoot for about a year now. He told me he had so much fun with the cam and he wouldn't buy any non touchscreen cam in future. My mom seems to prefer touchscreen to conventional operation too. It's easier for them to get the focus point right by pointing their fingers on a face or flower or a building. When I give them a normal cam they worry about not being able to take a pic properly. When they have a touchscreen in hand it seems to me they feel relieved. That's very subjective though.

Loring von Palleske said:

mendes said:

I wish to see:

1, Touchscreen Interface, like the Panasonic G2

2, Multi Aspect Sensor

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multi aspect you are always cropping part of the sensor - ie never using full sensor size...

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Yes, but a multi aspect camera captures more on the horizon on 16:9 or 3:2 modes. A multi aspect 16:9 24mm is wider than 4:3 24mm. More width gets into the pics.

Loring von Palleske said:

Loring von Palleske said:

3, ND Filter

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Why would you want this when you want a filter ring?

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I don't want to leave a filter on all time so the camera remains as compact as possible. I just want to use a polarizer occasionally.

Loring von Palleske said:

Loring von Palleske said:

4, Shutter Speed 60 sec - 1/4000 sec

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maybe the 1/4000 would be nice the other can be accomplished with a bulb setting and a remote cable release...

Loring von Palleske said:

5, Dual Capture of Video and Photo, like WB2000/ TL350

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If they change to a high speed CMOS this is likely

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I hope they give EX2 a high quality CMOS then.

Loring von Palleske said:

Loring von Palleske said:

6, Full-HD 1080P AVCHD Video

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Never happen - 1080p yes AVCHD is a pana/sony bastardization of H.264 Samsung using the industry standard H.264 and is unlikely to license a proprietary tech. here.

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7, DNG Raw File

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Unlikely - Samsung has a raw file format.

Loring von Palleske said:

8, NR Control

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Would be nice - but if you're shooting raw anyways...

Loring von Palleske said:

9, Time-Lapse Recording

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we have it in the WB2000 so who knows.

Loring von Palleske said:

10, Standard USB Connection

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not likely - EX-1 uses the same connection as the rest of our lineup. EX-2 is likely to continue this trend.

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It's a pity

Loring von Palleske said:

Loring von Palleske said:

11, Cat- & Dog- Face Recognition

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I hope you're kidding... for tech reasons it is unlikely...

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But it's useful for pet owners and fanciers. So develop it.

Loring von Palleske said:

Loring von Palleske said:

12, Better AF Tracking

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maybe

Loring von Palleske said:

13, Stereo Sound

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you mean mics? possible

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Yes

Loring von Palleske said:

Loring von Palleske said:

14, SDXC Support

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possible

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15, Lens Thread for Filter

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possible but we just released a filter adapter for the EX-1 - we may continue in the same direction...

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Cool, wonderful accessary. Thanks for releasing it. Hope to see more.

Loring von Palleske said:

Please note: I haven't seen a replacement for the EX-1 and I feel it is near perfection as it is. It is unlikely to be replaced any time soon and still has life to it. So those of you waiting - will be waiting a while yet. Enjoy it as it is. (which is to say the best P&S still camera on the market!)

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I removed some of it to make the message smaller...

mendes said:

mendes said:

mendes said:

I wish to see:

2, Multi Aspect Sensor

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multi aspect you are always cropping part of the sensor - ie never using full sensor size...

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Yes, but a multi aspect camera captures more on the horizon on 16:9 or 3:2 modes. A multi aspect 16:9 24mm is wider than 4:3 24mm. More width gets into the pics.

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yes - and less height. angle of view is usually measured on the diagonal. At 4:3 the standard way of doing it utilyzes the full sensor area. Multi aspect you are always throwing some of the information away.

mendes said:

mendes said:

mendes said:

3, ND Filter

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Why would you want this when you want a filter ring?

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I don't want to leave a filter on all time so the camera remains as compact as possible. I just want to use a polarizer occasionally.

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but if you have a polarizer - you are losing a stop or 2 anyways, and if not it's no big deal to put an ND on. or stop down for that matter. (I know - diffraction)

mendes said:

mendes said:

mendes said:

10, Standard USB Connection

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not likely - EX-1 uses the same connection as the rest of our lineup. EX-2 is likely to continue this trend.

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It's a pity

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There is added functionality there - it can double as HDMI out.

mendes said:

mendes said:

mendes said:

11, Cat- & Dog- Face Recognition

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I hope you're kidding... for tech reasons it is unlikely...

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But it's useful for pet owners and fanciers. So develop it.

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Face recognition picks up the shape of the face based on 2 eyes that are typically darker than the rest of the face along with a mouth that is also darker. For obvious reasons this would be quite a bit more difficult for pets where often the fur can be darker or the same shade as the eyes and mouths etc are not necessarily easily discernible. I am afraid those of us that test our lenses on our cats will have to continue to manually point our active focus area on our cat's head!

mendes said:

mendes said:

Please note: I haven't seen a replacement for the EX-1 and I feel it is near perfection as it is. It is unlikely to be replaced any time soon and still has life to it. So those of you waiting - will be waiting a while yet. Enjoy it as it is. (which is to say the best P&S still camera on the market!)

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"Shoot RAW"

not everyone wants to post process...

rogerstpierre said:

riveredger said:

I almost bought the EX-1. All I would want to see on an EX-2 would be the features of the EX-1 with an OVF

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You've got that already as an accessory, and you won't see this integrated in the camera as it would un-necessarily bulk it up while the AMOLED screen works in any light conditions. Having the OVF as an accessory, for the few that realy want it, makes the most sense and I don't see Samsung changing that.

Regor250 said:

and the ability to turn off noise reduction.

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Shoot RAW

Regor250 said:

I think I'd buy one at that point. I love the build quality and feel of the camera as is.

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Then perhaps you should buy one; it is a very good photographic tool, and your objections are pretty minor IMO.

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Roger

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EX2 wishlist:

1) Push price of EX1 down further .

Loring von Palleske said:

Loring von Palleske said:

Loring von Palleske said:

mendes said:

I wish to see:

2, Multi Aspect Sensor

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multi aspect you are always cropping part of the sensor - ie never using full sensor size...

Click to expand...

Yes, but a multi aspect camera captures more on the horizon on 16:9 or 3:2 modes. A multi aspect 16:9 24mm is wider than 4:3 24mm. More width gets into the pics.

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yes - and less height. angle of view is usually measured on the diagonal. At 4:3 the standard way of doing it utilyzes the full sensor area. Multi aspect you are always throwing some of the information away.

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Thanks , but I still think a multi aspect 16:9 gives the pics a better panaramic feeling by incorporating more width into the pics.

Loring von Palleske said:

Loring von Palleske said:

Loring von Palleske said:

Loring von Palleske said:

3, ND Filter

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Why would you want this when you want a filter ring?

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I don't want to leave a filter on all time so the camera remains as compact as possible. I just want to use a polarizer occasionally.

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but if you have a polarizer - you are losing a stop or 2 anyways, and if not it's no big deal to put an ND on. or stop down for that matter. (I know - diffraction)

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But most of the time I wouldn't want to put a polarizer on. A built-in ND filter is handy.

Loring von Palleske said:

Loring von Palleske said:

Loring von Palleske said:

Loring von Palleske said:

10, Standard USB Connection

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not likely - EX-1 uses the same connection as the rest of our lineup. EX-2 is likely to continue this trend.

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It's a pity

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There is added functionality there - it can double as HDMI out.

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Thanks for pointing that out.

Loring von Palleske said:

Loring von Palleske said:

Loring von Palleske said:

Loring von Palleske said:

11, Cat- & Dog- Face Recognition

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I hope you're kidding... for tech reasons it is unlikely...

Click to expand...

But it's useful for pet owners and fanciers. So develop it.

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Face recognition picks up the shape of the face based on 2 eyes that are typically darker than the rest of the face along with a mouth that is also darker. For obvious reasons this would be quite a bit more difficult for pets where often the fur can be darker or the same shade as the eyes and mouths etc are not necessarily easily discernible. I am afraid those of us that test our lenses on our cats will have to continue to manually point our active focus area on our cat's head!

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Now most of my pics are cat portraits. Some Pentax and Fujifilm cameras offer Pet face mode, but I don't know how effective they are.

Loring von Palleske said:

Loring von Palleske said:

Loring von Palleske said:

Please note: I haven't seen a replacement for the EX-1 and I feel it is near perfection as it is. It is unlikely to be replaced any time soon and still has life to it. So those of you waiting - will be waiting a while yet. Enjoy it as it is. (which is to say the best P&S still camera on the market!)

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mendes said:

Loring von Palleske said:

mendes said:

mendes said:

mendes said:

I wish to see:

2, Multi Aspect Sensor

Click to expand...

multi aspect you are always cropping part of the sensor - ie never using full sensor size...

Click to expand...

Yes, but a multi aspect camera captures more on the horizon on 16:9 or 3:2 modes. A multi aspect 16:9 24mm is wider than 4:3 24mm. More width gets into the pics.

Click to expand...

yes - and less height. angle of view is usually measured on the diagonal. At 4:3 the standard way of doing it utilyzes the full sensor area. Multi aspect you are always throwing some of the information away.

Click to expand...

Thanks , but I still think a multi aspect 16:9 gives the pics a better panaramic feeling by incorporating more width into the pics.

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Does it though - since the sensor is very marginally larger, I wonder when you crop out the pixels if it is in fact actually larger. Would love to see a comparison.

mendes said:

mendes said:

mendes said:

mendes said:

mendes said:

11, Cat- & Dog- Face Recognition

Click to expand...

I hope you're kidding... for tech reasons it is unlikely...

Click to expand...

But it's useful for pet owners and fanciers. So develop it.

Click to expand...

Face recognition picks up the shape of the face based on 2 eyes that are typically darker than the rest of the face along with a mouth that is also darker. For obvious reasons this would be quite a bit more difficult for pets where often the fur can be darker or the same shade as the eyes and mouths etc are not necessarily easily discernible. I am afraid those of us that test our lenses on our cats will have to continue to manually point our active focus area on our cat's head!

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Now most of my pics are cat portraits. Some Pentax and Fujifilm cameras offer Pet face mode, but I don't know how effective they are.

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It would be interesting to see for sure. maybe works better on light furred pets vs dark furred pets...

mendes said:

mendes said:

mendes said:

mendes said:

Please note: I haven't seen a replacement for the EX-1 and I feel it is near perfection as it is. It is unlikely to be replaced any time soon and still has life to it. So those of you waiting - will be waiting a while yet. Enjoy it as it is. (which is to say the best P&S still camera on the market!)

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Loring von Palleske said:

mendes said:

Loring von Palleske said:

Loring von Palleske said:

Loring von Palleske said:

mendes said:

I wish to see:

2, Multi Aspect Sensor

Click to expand...

multi aspect you are always cropping part of the sensor - ie never using full sensor size...

Click to expand...

Yes, but a multi aspect camera captures more on the horizon on 16:9 or 3:2 modes. A multi aspect 16:9 24mm is wider than 4:3 24mm. More width gets into the pics.

Click to expand...

yes - and less height. angle of view is usually measured on the diagonal. At 4:3 the standard way of doing it utilyzes the full sensor area. Multi aspect you are always throwing some of the information away.

Click to expand...

Thanks , but I still think a multi aspect 16:9 gives the pics a better panaramic feeling by incorporating more width into the pics.

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Does it though - since the sensor is very marginally larger, I wonder when you crop out the pixels if it is in fact actually larger. Would love to see a comparison.

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This should help visualize the advantages of a oversized sensor that can be cropped various ways to yield a wider or narrower perspective.



On a regular 4:3 camera, 16:9 would be a wide rectangle inside the 4:3 box, and 3:2 will be a rectangle inside the 4:3 box too.

The greatest dimension would remain constant. Ideally the sensor would be square, i.e. the width of the image would not change, but the eight would vary, tallest at 1:1

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Yes, and the greatest dimension is the diagonal.

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The greatest dimension would remain constant.

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With the propagation of widescreen displays on handheld devices, in the living room, and on laptops, 16:9 is becoming an ideal image format. Not to mention its usefulness for landscape photography. So I disagree about the 1:1 sensor.

If there was a 1:1 sensor, then 16:9 images wouldn't be wider. It would just have the tops and bottoms shaved off a little (like you said).

Regor250 said:

Ideally the sensor would be square, i.e. the width of the image would not change, but the eight would vary, tallest at 1:1

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to me, 3:2 sensor makes the most sense...

TechOutsider said:

Loring von Palleske said:

mendes said:

Loring von Palleske said:

TechOutsider said:

TechOutsider said:

mendes said:

I wish to see:

2, Multi Aspect Sensor

Click to expand...

multi aspect you are always cropping part of the sensor - ie never using full sensor size...

Click to expand...

Yes, but a multi aspect camera captures more on the horizon on 16:9 or 3:2 modes. A multi aspect 16:9 24mm is wider than 4:3 24mm. More width gets into the pics.

Click to expand...

yes - and less height. angle of view is usually measured on the diagonal. At 4:3 the standard way of doing it utilyzes the full sensor area. Multi aspect you are always throwing some of the information away.

Click to expand...

Thanks , but I still think a multi aspect 16:9 gives the pics a better panaramic feeling by incorporating more width into the pics.

Click to expand...

Does it though - since the sensor is very marginally larger, I wonder when you crop out the pixels if it is in fact actually larger. Would love to see a comparison.

Click to expand...

This should help visualize the advantages of a oversized sensor that can be cropped various ways to yield a wider or narrower perspective.



On a regular 4:3 camera, 16:9 would be a wide rectangle inside the 4:3 box, and 3:2 will be a rectangle inside the 4:3 box too.

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Thank you so much for the illustration. It's much easier to follow.

As far as I can remember, the advertisement I saw from Panasonic was a little different though. In it 16:9 and 3:2 have less height in the frames, 16:9 being the widest but also shortest in height, 4:3 the narrowest but more in height, and 3:2 in between.

ISO_800 said:

to me, 3:2 sensor makes the most sense...

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What's the proportion of a multi aspect sensor?

I used to think taking 3:2 or 4:3 photos made most sense, as sensors came mostly in one of the proportions. Depending on the sensor, when one takes a 3:2 or 4:3 they get the most the camera can take into the frames. But because multi aspect sensor doesn't simply crop the top and bottom off to make ia pic look 16:9 or 3:2, I think every proportion makes sense now.

mendes said:

TechOutsider said:

Loring von Palleske said:

mendes said:

Loring von Palleske said:

mendes said:

mendes said:

mendes said:

I wish to see:

2, Multi Aspect Sensor

Click to expand...

multi aspect you are always cropping part of the sensor - ie never using full sensor size...

Click to expand...

Yes, but a multi aspect camera captures more on the horizon on 16:9 or 3:2 modes. A multi aspect 16:9 24mm is wider than 4:3 24mm. More width gets into the pics.

Click to expand...

yes - and less height. angle of view is usually measured on the diagonal. At 4:3 the standard way of doing it utilyzes the full sensor area. Multi aspect you are always throwing some of the information away.

Click to expand...

Thanks , but I still think a multi aspect 16:9 gives the pics a better panaramic feeling by incorporating more width into the pics.

Click to expand...

Does it though - since the sensor is very marginally larger, I wonder when you crop out the pixels if it is in fact actually larger. Would love to see a comparison.

Click to expand...

This should help visualize the advantages of a oversized sensor that can be cropped various ways to yield a wider or narrower perspective.



On a regular 4:3 camera, 16:9 would be a wide rectangle inside the 4:3 box, and 3:2 will be a rectangle inside the 4:3 box too.

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Thank you so much for the illustration. It's much easier to follow.

As far as I can remember, the advertisement I saw from Panasonic was a little different though. In it 16:9 and 3:2 have less height in the frames, 16:9 being the widest but also shortest in height, 4:3 the narrowest but more in height, and 3:2 in between.

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Whoops, that's an old graphic from Panasonic.

Here's a new one from Panasonic to reflect its updated multi-aspect sensor. Keeps the stuff in the middle the same. Switching aspect ratios adds/removes pixels from the sides as needed.

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Here's a new one from Panasonic to reflect its updated multi-aspect sensor. Keeps the stuff in the middle the same. Switching aspect ratios adds/removes pixels from the sides as needed.

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Thank you so much. For this scene I prefer 16:9.