7D or the 60D

So what is the real difference? Haven't read a ton about either (yet), but from the specs they look the same. The 7D has a higher FPS, and is heavier, but anything else?

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Dale

What's the real difference between the Olympus E-3 and the E-30? The E-3 has has a higher FPS and is heavier, but anything else? They look the same to me.

Typical
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Dale

7D has a duel processor.

They're both black and have similar shapes, but I think the Olympus E-3 is the same as the Olympus E-30. I could spend a few minutes finding out the difference between the two, but it's easier to assume both are the same.

daleeight said:

So what is the real difference? Haven't read a ton about either (yet), but from the specs they look the same.

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That is quite an understatement, the 7D has:

• a bigger viewfinder showing 100% of the frame.
• faster FPS.
• uses three to four times as fast CF cards.
• has a two way electronic level.
• has a more refined flash master that can control more than one external flash group.
• is weather sealed.
• a much better AF system (think 1DIII on steroids, yes it's that good)
• a separate multi controller not muddling up the thumb wheel.
• more direct access to important image parameters such as white balance.
• a magnesium body which is much better molded than the awkward 60D

I have a 60D here as a loaner because I will have to check the technical correctness of a book being written about the camera and the 60D is the first that I find truly disappointing from Canon in terms of hand grip...
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Karl Günter Wünsch

Then why don't you use this sites side by side comparison feature and figure it out? There are a lot of differences in the specs shown there to tell the difference. For the Canons I asked about, not so much. Thanks for your insight, JA.
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Dale

Thanks for the info, Karl. That is indeed more info than the initial specs indicate. Very helpful and gives me something to look for. Thanks again.

Karl Gnter Wnsch said:

That is quite an understatement, the 7D has:

• a bigger viewfinder showing 100% of the frame.
• faster FPS.
• uses three to four times as fast CF cards.
• has a two way electronic level.
• has a more refined flash master that can control more than one external flash group.
• is weather sealed.
• a much better AF system (think 1DIII on steroids, yes it's that good)
• a separate multi controller not muddling up the thumb wheel.
• more direct access to important image parameters such as white balance.
• a magnesium body which is much better molded than the awkward 60D

I have a 60D here as a loaner because I will have to check the technical correctness of a book being written about the camera and the 60D is the first that I find truly disappointing from Canon in terms of hand grip...
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Karl Günter Wünsch

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Dale

Karl Gnter Wnsch said:

daleeight said:

So what is the real difference? Haven't read a ton about either (yet), but from the specs they look the same.

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That is quite an understatement, the 7D has:

• a bigger viewfinder showing 100% of the frame.
• faster FPS.
• uses three to four times as fast CF cards.
• has a two way electronic level.
• has a more refined flash master that can control more than one external flash group.
• is weather sealed.
• a much better AF system (think 1DIII on steroids, yes it's that good)
• a separate multi controller not muddling up the thumb wheel.
• more direct access to important image parameters such as white balance.
• a magnesium body which is much better molded than the awkward 60D

I have a 60D here as a loaner because I will have to check the technical correctness of a book being written about the camera and the 60D is the first that I find truly disappointing from Canon in terms of hand grip...
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Karl Günter Wünsch

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Thanks for your 60D insights,Karl I just set my new 60D out for the trash men to take away. ;-)

I just ordered a 7D. I don't even have it yet. I seriously considered the 60D but decided the extra $400 was worth it.

My main interests are sports and nature photography. You mentioned the difference in FPS. I currently own a 1D MK II and a 20D so I know that 8 fps is sometimes better than 5. For example, shooting birds in flight or galloping polo ponies.

Other factors that influenced my decison a more speculation than fact. I don't know if anyone has tested how fast a 7D focuses compared to the 60D but the 7D has more focus sensors and dual processors. This may only make a 1/20 second difference in locking the focus, but that is a lot of time.

The 7D supposedly has better weather sealing than the 60D. I have rain gear for my cameras but I often shoot in very humid conditions.

If I didn't shoot a lot of action and never shot in very humid or dusty conditions, I certainly would have bought the D60.
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Chuck Booher

I've never picked up a 60D and have no personal experience with it -- hence no opinion on how it handles. However, the one common thread I've read here from people who've actually bought 60Ds is that they just love the way it feels and its handling -- much more so than whatever they've used previously. Obviously, it's a matter of personal preference, so I'm not questioning your opinion below. But your post struck me as interesting in that it was so completely opposite to most everything I've read here to date from other users, some of whom have upgraded from a Rebel, others who've previously had an xxD.

Karl Gnter Wnsch said:

daleeight said:

So what is the real difference? Haven't read a ton about either (yet), but from the specs they look the same.

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That is quite an understatement, the 7D has:

• a bigger viewfinder showing 100% of the frame.
• faster FPS.
• uses three to four times as fast CF cards.
• has a two way electronic level.
• has a more refined flash master that can control more than one external flash group.
• is weather sealed.
• a much better AF system (think 1DIII on steroids, yes it's that good)
• a separate multi controller not muddling up the thumb wheel.
• more direct access to important image parameters such as white balance.
• a magnesium body which is much better molded than the awkward 60D

I have a 60D here as a loaner because I will have to check the technical correctness of a book being written about the camera and the 60D is the first that I find truly disappointing from Canon in terms of hand grip...
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Karl Günter Wünsch

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Jerry-astro said:

However, the one common thread I've read here from people who've actually bought 60Ds is that they just love the way it feels and its handling -- much more so than whatever they've used previously.

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Well I handled quite a few cameras (10D-50D and 7D are the ones I still own) previously and the 60D is by far the worst - I can't do without my glasses and the back LCD is taking away 2 mm of the eye relief thus making the viewfinder hard to use for me.

Jerry-astro said:

But your post struck me as interesting in that it was so completely opposite to most everything I've read here to date from other users, some of whom have upgraded from a Rebel, others who've previously had an xxD.

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I too find it strange that all have been to over the top positive. The LCD hinge on the left means that all the buttons had to be moved to the right - which now means there is little space where you won't be accidentally pressing any of them, the multicontroller replacement in the thumb wheel is pracitally useless in the field (in Germany we are fast approaching winter and both the thumb wheel and the 8-way controller in the middle require fine control which is impossible with gloves.

My biggest complaint though is the molding of the grip - I don't have the biggest hands around but to grip the camera securely would require having another finger joint half way between the first and second joints.

My wife usually is pestering me for a smaller, lighter camera (but has to make do with the previous camera I used myself, so currently she's on a 50D) but the 60D for her is so much less comfortable to hold than the 50D that she expressed her fear that I might do something really stupid like buying her the 60D as a present...
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Karl Günter Wünsch

If you're new to the world of DSLR you'll likely be very happy with the 60d. I've got a 40d with which I'm very happy. But a few weeks ago my wife told me that she wants the 40d and that I should get another camera. On a Friday evening a couple of weeks ago I went to a local store and tried the 60d and 7d side by side. Well...I could use the 60d but the 7d just seemed better. Actually after reading the specs I had been lusting for the 7d since it came out. But I did not want to spend the extra money. A few days later I went to another store with my 40d in hand. I then tried all three cameras with the same lens. No question which camera I was going to get. I had only had my 7d a couple of days when I used it for a two day Boy Scout event. For me it was the correct choice. But it is not what I would consider a beginners camera.

Andy
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Every camera has a few gripes but the big draw for me is the 60D's articulated screen. If you need that one feature it could outweigh anything that the 7D has.

I have a 5d Mark II and a 7D.

I have been considering getting a 60D as a 3rd body.

The 5DII and the 7D have broadened my horizons to include video.

I have played with the 60D and have found it to be very video friendly, particularly with the articulated display. The 60D is comfortable to hold, feels solid, and has a very user friendly set of controls.

All of the reviews and tests that I have read are very positive (image quality, video, performance and handling).

I anticipate ordering mine from Canoga Camera tomorrow.

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http://www.mikekaplan.com

I have both 7D and 60D.

I like them both for different reasons. The 7D is IMHO fantastic. HAving said that, Coming from the Canon 450D Rebel series, I find the 60D a great surprise after all the initial bad mouthing by people who have never used it.

Image quality is on par with the 7D. I feel this camera will still find its way to a lot of beginners and first time DSLR shooters. This may well be their only camera.

Remember, there are quite a lot of female shooters with smaller hands that will love it.

Francois Jacobs said:

I have both 7D and 60D.

I like them both for different reasons. The 7D is IMHO fantastic. HAving said that, Coming from the Canon 450D Rebel series, I find the 60D a great surprise after all the initial bad mouthing by people who have never used it.

Image quality is on par with the 7D. I feel this camera will still find its way to a lot of beginners and first time DSLR shooters. This may well be their only camera.

Remember, there are quite a lot of female shooters with smaller hands that will love it.

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Ha, I'm not a girlie yet I find the 60D much more comfortable than the 7D or the 50D, not just for size though - it sort of feels immediately comfortable when you pick it up.

The ergonomics are different on the 60D but I find them much more natural. It wouldn't surprise me if future XD releases don't follow the same layout - even if they don't use the articulated screen.

Karl Gnter Wnsch said:

I have a 60D here as a loaner because I will have to check the technical correctness of a book being written about the camera and the 60D is the first that I find truly disappointing from Canon in terms of hand grip...
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I am curious on your comment that you found 60D handgrip truly disappointing. Is it in comparison to other EOS, e.g. 7D, xxD, xxxD?

I tried 60D last week, the handgrip does seem to be shorter than 50D (like 1/2 of my pinky is hanging) and I feel more comfortable holding 50D. But overall I still find the whole 60D proportion to be acceptable and secure enough to hold and I kinda like the 'compactness' and the slightly lighter weight.

The rebels...now I find them disappointing in terms of hand grip.

gama said:

I am curious on your comment that you found 60D handgrip truly disappointing. Is it in comparison to other EOS, e.g. 7D, xxD, xxxD?

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It's in comparison to the 10D, 20D, 30D, 40D, 50D, 500D, 550D and 7D - all of these are comfortable to hold for me (and my wife agrees with me) and the 60D is the odd one out for which I can't get a decent hand holding position without accidentally pressing the odd button on the back and for which I can't get a full view through the viewfinder...

If I had to choose I wouldn't buy one for myself. With previous xxD cameras this was an easy decision but the swivel screen has messed too much with the usability of the camera for my liking. I'll send the review camera back once the book is finished without regrets. On previous models I would have had a hard time doing so and I'd be highly interested in buying it at a discounted price but not for the 60D.
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Karl Günter Wünsch

Karl I think everyone reading this thread, understands that you and the wife do not plan on becoming the happy owners of the new Canon 60D.
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Karl Gnter Wnsch said:

gama said:

I am curious on your comment that you found 60D handgrip truly disappointing. Is it in comparison to other EOS, e.g. 7D, xxD, xxxD?

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It's in comparison to the 10D, 20D, 30D, 40D, 50D, 500D, 550D and 7D - all of these are comfortable to hold for me (and my wife agrees with me) and the 60D is the odd one out for which I can't get a decent hand holding position without accidentally pressing the odd button on the back and for which I can't get a full view through the viewfinder...

If I had to choose I wouldn't buy one for myself. With previous xxD cameras this was an easy decision but the swivel screen has messed too much with the usability of the camera for my liking. I'll send the review camera back once the book is finished without regrets. On previous models I would have had a hard time doing so and I'd be highly interested in buying it at a discounted price but not for the 60D.
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Karl Günter Wünsch

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