No; Canon can get away with telling individuals that the noise is acceptable. They can not, however, ignore "general public knowledge" that their DSLRs, the 5D2, especially, have poor DR by current standards, and why it is so vital that word of this gets out. They must be embarrassed into doing the right thing, since they have no conscience.
Well, at least you are clear about what your agenda is. Time will tell if it works. My opinion is that whatever is causing this is inherent in the HW chain somewhere and is probably not easily fixable in a new FW release, so 5DII users are pretty much stuck with what they have. That said it doesn’t seem to be that bad unless you are in the habit of punching the shadows by quite a bit.
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John
That's a euphemism for "it has one of the worst DRs of any current DSLR".
I don't know about we , but I would have a problem "admitting" that, because to admit something implies that you know that it is true. That, in turn, would mean that I have tested most of the current DSLR's out there with regard to this issue, which I have not. What I can admit, though, is that I have fairly thoroughly evaluated my own copy of the camera WRT this issue and found it to be more than adequate for my purposes.
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John
That's a euphemism for "it has one of the worst DRs of any current DSLR".
Why can't we just admit that this is so?
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John
The low iso banding is unacceptable for a camera of this level.Do you really not know the many answers to this question?
This isn't a cup of coffee. It's part of an expensive system, which may have other advantages.
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John
And what is "this level?"The low iso banding is unacceptable for a camera of this level.Do you really not know the many answers to this question?
This isn't a cup of coffee. It's part of an expensive system, which may have other advantages.
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John
Read what John just said. Hardly anyone is dumping this camera because it has so many other advantages.
Please quote me the price of any FF DSLR, over 20mp, with cinematic 1080p video which is used by TV networks and feature film studios, that costs less than the 5DII. Not only is it the lowest price camera you can find with these features, it's the only camera with these features. Pay more if you want perfection.
The low iso banding is unacceptable for a camera of this level.Do you really not know the many answers to this question?
This isn't a cup of coffee. It's part of an expensive system, which may have other advantages.
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John
Of course people are easily comparing to other cameras and dump this camera to get the other for better low iso image quality.
What we expect is for Canon to give better quality from this level of camera.
--Just to remind you where we stand:
1) Facts: Banding in 5d2 does not affect all camera batches. Some have little or no banding, while others are severely affected.
2) Objective : provide future buyers with a scenario that produces banding without excessive PP, so that they can RETURN the camera within the retailer's trial period.
3) Provide future buyers with image they can show to retailers so that both parties can agree on what warrants a RETURN, before the purchase.
4) eventually get a good 5d2 pick, and enjoy what all photographer should do, that is taking pictures.
We have two scenarios to date, where banding occurs without excessive PP.
Please don't ruin this with a pointless fight.
thanks
The low iso banding is unacceptable for a camera of this level.Do you really not know the many answers to this question?
This isn't a cup of coffee. It's part of an expensive system, which may have other advantages.
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John
Of course people are easily comparing to other cameras and dump this camera to get the other for better low iso image quality.
What we expect is for Canon to give better quality from this level of camera.
I have not seen evidence that there are 5DM2s in existence that don't suffer from banding. The only definitive evidence would be either a RAW blackframe or a RAW image with sufficiently deep shadows.
--Just to remind you where we stand:
1) Facts: Banding in 5d2 does not affect all camera batches. Some have little or no banding, while others are severely affected.
2) Objective : provide future buyers with a scenario that produces banding without excessive PP, so that they can RETURN the camera within the retailer's trial period.
3) Provide future buyers with image they can show to retailers so that both parties can agree on what warrants a RETURN, before the purchase.
4) eventually get a good 5d2 pick, and enjoy what all photographer should do, that is taking pictures.
We have two scenarios to date, where banding occurs without excessive PP.
Please don't ruin this with a pointless fight.
thanks
The low iso banding is unacceptable for a camera of this level.Do you really not know the many answers to this question?
This isn't a cup of coffee. It's part of an expensive system, which may have other advantages.
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John
Of course people are easily comparing to other cameras and dump this camera to get the other for better low iso image quality.
What we expect is for Canon to give better quality from this level of camera.
Kodak Instant Camera
Kyocera 1MP Camera phone (pre-paid phone plan)
http://horshack.smugmug.com/
--I was going to answer this question here
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1032&message=36328552
on pt 3 but it maxed up too quickly.
No problem.
Here are the results of the Raw from that thread.
100%
100%
and 50% reduced size
This 50% is actually not too bad.
The typical user errors as mentioned on pt 3:
(1) Avoid photographing white things. When you shoot street candids do not even pointed the camera at someone wearing white or bright things. This will create an unwanted contrast image. Life is a lot simpler when you don't have photographs of white things or bright things to worry about.
(2) Do not shoot dark out of focus backgrounds. These are the absolute optimum structures for revealing noise in the most objectionable way possible. If you are going to take a shallow DOF photo with a dark background, make sure you like it in the viewfinder, because there isn't much you can do to change it.
Use this camera wisely and you'll get a perfect camera.
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Richard, NC
Never comment on something you don't know about
Better yet, why don't you go buy a camera and quite trolling the Canon forum.
I am a Canon user.
Your previous posts prove you don't use or know anything about the Canon 5DII. You only post blown-out images from other users. If you can't post your own images then the silly troll rants are useless.
But I suppose someone who can't see banding staring him in the face should not be expected to see "IMO" or know how to read it either.
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clearly something wrong with his camera - he should have returned it
images are gone so can't comment but most people say there is no banding
thats another camera that needs returned
another one that can't expose properly then expect miricals in post
a problem with the camera that canon sorted not the same banding as you proclaim every 5D2 has even though you don't own a 5D2.
But I suppose someone who can't see banding staring him in the face should not be expected to see "IMO" or know how to read it either.
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Fair enough. But my opinion is based on actually owning and using the 5DII almost every day. I have absolutely no visible banding at low ISO, even in 20x30 prints, with shadows pushed as far as I would ever need in my PP workflow, even when pushing shadows to 100 in Aperture. I can only trust my actual experience over a person who's only contribution to this forum in the past year is bashing a single camera that they don't even own, with the same small set of butchered examples.
Google Big Foot. So much for trial by Google.
No don't flood Canon with returning products.
