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a G3?

Now that a full frame high resolution digital camera finally arrived, I am about to make the jump, but purchasing a 1Ds for an amatuer like me is no small decision, check out my website and tell me what you think:

http://www.imagereservoir.com

Howard
 
Don't make a decision about your camera based on what others think you may or may not "deserve".

Will the camera best fit your needs, and are you willing to pay for it? That's all that really matters. Your other choices in the Canon EF mount (new) are the D60 and 1D.
Howard said:
Now that a full frame high resolution digital camera finally
arrived, I am about to make the jump, but purchasing a 1Ds for an
amatuer like me is no small decision, check out my website and tell
me what you think:
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The Unofficial Photographer of The Wilkinsons
http://thewilkinsons.crosswinds.net
Photography -- just another word for compromise
 
Buy what you like. On a more important note you need to ask your self if you NEED that big of a sensor. In other words what do you do with your images? If you just take pictures and print them at home 11x14 or smaller get a 1d. If you are often getting very large prints made them by almeans look at the 1Ds. But in the end buy what you want and dont worry if you Deserve it.
Jon Zalkin
 
I've had several different cameras for the past 20+ years but it never was a question about deserving any of them. I just bought them (I like playing with new toys). But, if there is any "deserving" I'd say some of those places you've been to are definitely worthy of a 1Ds. And it looks like you would do okay with it, too. Just my 2 cents worth.

Tom
Howard said:
a G3?

Now that a full frame high resolution digital camera finally
arrived, I am about to make the jump, but purchasing a 1Ds for an
amatuer like me is no small decision, check out my website and tell
me what you think:

http://www.imagereservoir.com

Howard
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Tom
 
If you don't, wait a couple of months and see how the new kodak on nikon body is doing.

It'll be a 14mp camera, and they also have a new psudo jpeg format. Which a jpeg with some of the data from the raw file format. Kodak is claiming the files size are not that much larger plus you have the benefit of having a raw file to fix afterwards.

Nikon has licensed their bodies to third-party vendors like Fuji and Kodak. Which is smart, these guys may lose a lot of money from the digital revolution and naturally would do a lot to establish themselves in this space.

At this point there is only one vendor that will make canon dslr bodies and that's canon. There are a lot of similarities between this and the Mac and PC wars. Mac was great and had the best technology, but they got greedy and eventually pc took over.

So, just wait until December, especially if you do not care about moisture-resistant camer body and a super fast autofocus.
 
I agree with the others and suggest you balance your needs against your budget.

Based on the photos displayed on your site, and your either/or comparison with the G3, I'd suggest instead the D60 (or even a used D30). It has more resolution and offers all the additional features and flexibility of a SLR camera. Comparing a G3 to a D1s (or even a D1) is a bit much. Kind of like asking whether you should buy a sports car or a HumV.

Are you looking for a full featured SLR or a P&S you can carry around in a small bag?

I wouldn't recommend a 1D unless you are shooting in a situation where fast and accurate AF is required, or where a very high frame rate is required. The 1D is the best digital SLR available right now for this, but you pay a premium for these features - make sure you need them.

If you DO want to go the SLR route I would definitely recommend the D60 or even a used D30. Both take excellent shots that can be printed to 8*10 or higher with excellent results.
Good luck,
Steve
Howard said:
a G3?

Now that a full frame high resolution digital camera finally
arrived, I am about to make the jump, but purchasing a 1Ds for an
amatuer like me is no small decision, check out my website and tell
me what you think:

http://www.imagereservoir.com

Howard
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Why not go with the ideal compromise, and get a D60. I've been using one for a few months now, and it doesn't feel like settlin'at all....

You can get the glass you'll need, when in a few years time the sensors will have gone to 60 Mp....

My 2 cents...

Nothing more.

Wim.
D60
Canon 28-135 IS
Sigma 17-35 EX ; Sigma 50-500
Lots of good intentions...
Some nice pics....

http://pbase.com/wdijkink
 
WOW! That's some seriously serious Hi-Fi hobby you have!
w.dijkink said:
Why not go with the ideal compromise, and get a D60. I've been
using one for a few months now, and it doesn't feel like settlin'at
all....
You can get the glass you'll need, when in a few years time the
sensors will have gone to 60 Mp....

My 2 cents...

Nothing more.

Wim.
D60
Canon 28-135 IS
Sigma 17-35 EX ; Sigma 50-500
Lots of good intentions...
Some nice pics....

http://pbase.com/wdijkink
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Tom
 
but a question of what you want and what you can do with it once you have it.

It you have the motivation and the talent to use the tool to it's limits, then you should get it. I think that you have the ability to use this camera to do the kinds of things you are willing to do.

Just do it.

Troponin
Jonathan said:
Buy what you like. On a more important note you need to ask your
self if you NEED that big of a sensor. In other words what do you
do with your images? If you just take pictures and print them at
home 11x14 or smaller get a 1d. If you are often getting very large
prints made them by almeans look at the 1Ds. But in the end buy
what you want and dont worry if you Deserve it.
Jon Zalkin
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As others have said, what one deserves and can actually afford are two different things. I have seen truely incredible pictures taken with "just" a 3mp point and shoot. If "I" had the money, I would buy it but mainly as a new "toy". Would it make me take better pictures? Possibly... Do i deserve one? Well, until I can take better pictures with the camera I have now, no.

Just my thoughts..
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Mike B.
D60, 70-200L IS, 50 F1.4
16-35L F2.8, 550EX
 
I got the 1D not because of performance but because of build. I like
to go outside when it is raining and take pictures. The 1D makes this
less of an issue. The 1Ds share the same ability to block water and
dust when used with the right lenses. It also takes a nice beating on
hikes.

As for deserve??? That is for you to decide, but looking at your images
to date, you have the basics of composition, color and exposure down
really well. So a DSLR would be a nice move from a high end P&S. Do
you need 11MP?? Do you want to make prints larger than 11X17? If the
answer is yes, then the 1Ds would be a good choice. If the answer is no,
then a D60 or 1D might be better suited to your needs.

Do you have lots of hard drive space and lots of extra processor power?
The 1Ds will eat this in spades. Also remember the DSLR game is a money
pit as bad as a boat. You have lenses, tripods and filters. Tripod
heads and quick release systems. Cleaning kits for the CCD/CMOS....
If you get my point. The body is only the tip of the proverbial iceberg.

Steven

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My really bad Fall Adventures:
http://www.pbase.com/snoyes/fall_adventures
 
Thanks all for your input. Yes I do currently use the Canon EOS system (2 film bodies and several lenses).

I guess it is more of a question of giving myself some more justification than "deserving". The yet-to-be-released 1Ds will cost an arm and a leg, and in a few years like all digital equipment will be worth next to nothing. So getting something like a G2/G3 sounds like a possible comprimise. That being said, as a slide shooter I am afraid I will not be happy with a digial P&S's image quality. Besides, sooner or later I am sure I will take the digital plunge.

One other thing that the 1Ds appeals to me is the full-frame sensor. I use a lot of wide angles and the D60's 1.6x focal length factor is just killing me.

Howard
Howard said:
a G3?

Now that a full frame high resolution digital camera finally
arrived, I am about to make the jump, but purchasing a 1Ds for an
amatuer like me is no small decision, check out my website and tell
me what you think:

http://www.imagereservoir.com

Howard
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I started with a Nikon CP 950 - for a year then a D30 2 years, 20,000 frames later - (it's easy to hold down the shutter release when it doesn't cost anything).

The 1Ds brings higher resolution and better AF. I didn't see many action shots on your site - so maybe the better AF isn't necessary for your style. As for resolution - if you're satisfied with 8 x 10 then the D30 is fine (not much flexibility for cropping and a D60 might be better). If you really want to start showing off at 13x19 then the 1Ds makes some sense. If it's bullet proof you want maybe a 1D works.

As for being obsolete within a year (or whatever) - the technology of the AF, body and lenses evolves at a snails pace compared to the electronics. But unless you're a pro, is there much of an incentive to print at any larger than 13 x 19? If not, then 11mp probably meets resolution requirements in an absolute sense. My sense is that technology will drive down price, but I don't see the 1Ds becoming obsolete in a functional sense for a while. (but new toys will always be so much fun...)
 
But I don't care for the 1.6x factor.

On the other hand, the EOS 1 series cameras (1V, 1D, 1Ds) are absolutely monsters! In comparison, my A2 (film body) is light and compact.

Howard
Juli Valley said:
Get a D-60. It's a great compromise.
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I would like to agree with you about not being obsolete since you don't need more pixels, the improvements may come in other directions such as:
1. increase buffer
2. increase FPS

3. swap out sensor for one with better characteristics like dynamic range (if that is possible)
4. improve noise handling

Not that anything that the 1Ds does is not adequate or even great, but in 18 months, there will be something that does even more.

In much the same way, that my laptop still does what it always did (and not obsolete) - I would upgrade to get the USB 2.0 ports, a bigger hard drive, etc. etc.
Tim Gray said:
I started with a Nikon CP 950 - for a year then a D30 2 years,
20,000 frames later - (it's easy to hold down the shutter release
when it doesn't cost anything).

As for being obsolete within a year (or whatever) - the technology
of the AF, body and lenses evolves at a snails pace compared to the
electronics. But unless you're a pro, is there much of an
incentive to print at any larger than 13 x 19? If not, then 11mp
probably meets resolution requirements in an absolute sense. My
sense is that technology will drive down price, but I don't see the
1Ds becoming obsolete in a functional sense for a while. (but new
toys will always be so much fun...)
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You are correct about the 1D - it's big as a tank compared to the D30, D60. It's very comfortable to hold, though.

The 1.6 factor isn't such a problem if you have the lenses to compensate. When I had the D30 I just had to invest in an ultra-wide 15-30mm lens for times when I needed wide angle. Other than that no biggie.
Regards,
Steve
Howard said:
On the other hand, the EOS 1 series cameras (1V, 1D, 1Ds) are
absolutely monsters! In comparison, my A2 (film body) is light and
compact.

Howard
Juli Valley said:
Get a D-60. It's a great compromise.
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I currently use a D30 and would like to get a 1D when it reaches my price range strictly because I don't like the 1.6 crop factor. That and because I want the superb AF.

I'm sure sometime down the road Canon will release a full-frame or near full-frame (maybe a 1.1x, 1.2x crop) version of the EOS-3 but before they do that, I have no doubt Canon will want to make as much money as they can from 1D and 1Ds sales made to people who need it now.

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George
EOS D30 ~ 24/2.8 ~ 50/1.4 ~ 85/1.8 ~ 200/2.8 ~ 420EX
 
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