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when we will see Olympus mark their long term soar (or at least stability) or start a true steady decline. By Olympus of course I mean the Imaging division, Olympus the company is fine as a whole.

We didn't see new Pens, the E-5 is the E-3 "tuned up" and the "detail processing" is hardly something that is an investment in 4/3rds as that will surely be carried forward to the Pens so it's not like there was a big R&D commitment on 4/3rds exclusively.

To me the way I read this and considering Olympus constant statement that the future will be all Pens, is that since they didn't get anything super new this year, next year is the one where they will introduce a more pro spec Pen along with true enhancements in the line, and new lenses (as they have mentioned in their recent interviews). The new lenses apparently finally high quality, not just the usual micro four thirds stuff they have been doing all along.

Of course I could be 500% wrong about all this but it's the hunch I get. I think they will come out with stuff that will be good enough to at least put up a good fight.

As for those thinking there will be another 4/3rds DSLR, think about this- what's the cycle of the Olympus top pro camera? 3-4 years? Unless that shortens, Olympus has 3 years at least to make the Pen match whatever the pro 4/3rds line would have done before they would be expected to come out with a new model. I predict they will be able to do that within 2 if the GH2 is any indication with its absurdly fast and accurate AF.

If they do manage to keep 4/3rds lenses focusing fast on those bodies, I really think it's all good.

Olympus Imaging knows it's in a corner and I have no doubts they will put out a good fight to survive.

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Raist3d (Photographer & Tools/Systems/Gui Games Developer)
Andreas Feininger (1906-1999) 'Photographers — idiots, of which there are
so many — say, “Oh, if only I had a Nikon or a Leica, I could make great
photographs.” That’s the dumbest thing I ever heard in my life. It’s
nothing but a matter of seeing, and thinking, and interest. That’s what
makes a good photograph.'
 
A thoughtful post. This was a good read.

Jim Pilcher
Summit County, Colorado
Raist3d said:
when we will see Olympus mark their long term soar (or at least stability) or start a true steady decline. By Olympus of course I mean the Imaging division, Olympus the company is fine as a whole.

We didn't see new Pens, the E-5 is the E-3 "tuned up" and the "detail processing" is hardly something that is an investment in 4/3rds as that will surely be carried forward to the Pens so it's not like there was a big R&D commitment on 4/3rds exclusively.

To me the way I read this and considering Olympus constant statement that the future will be all Pens, is that since they didn't get anything super new this year, next year is the one where they will introduce a more pro spec Pen along with true enhancements in the line, and new lenses (as they have mentioned in their recent interviews). The new lenses apparently finally high quality, not just the usual micro four thirds stuff they have been doing all along.

Of course I could be 500% wrong about all this but it's the hunch I get. I think they will come out with stuff that will be good enough to at least put up a good fight.

As for those thinking there will be another 4/3rds DSLR, think about this- what's the cycle of the Olympus top pro camera? 3-4 years? Unless that shortens, Olympus has 3 years at least to make the Pen match whatever the pro 4/3rds line would have done before they would be expected to come out with a new model. I predict they will be able to do that within 2 if the GH2 is any indication with its absurdly fast and accurate AF.

If they do manage to keep 4/3rds lenses focusing fast on those bodies, I really think it's all good.

Olympus Imaging knows it's in a corner and I have no doubts they will put out a good fight to survive.

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Raist3d (Photographer & Tools/Systems/Gui Games Developer)
Andreas Feininger (1906-1999) 'Photographers — idiots, of which there are
so many — say, “Oh, if only I had a Nikon or a Leica, I could make great
photographs.” That’s the dumbest thing I ever heard in my life. It’s
nothing but a matter of seeing, and thinking, and interest. That’s what
makes a good photograph.'
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Raist3d said:
If they do manage to keep 4/3rds lenses focusing fast on those bodies, I really think it's all good.
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I hope they support their current 4/3rd PDAF glass in a new mirrorless body.

I also hope they add a mirrorless body that can ergonomically support sealed HG and SHG glass, so what I have can be used on new bodies.

Whether it be modular, or dedicated 4/3rd flange distance, doesn't matter to me.
Member said:
Olympus Imaging knows it's in a corner and I have no doubts they will put out a good fight to survive.

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Raist3d (Photographer & Tools/Systems/Gui Games Developer)
Andreas Feininger (1906-1999) 'Photographers — idiots, of which there are
so many — say, “Oh, if only I had a Nikon or a Leica, I could make great
photographs.” That’s the dumbest thing I ever heard in my life. It’s
nothing but a matter of seeing, and thinking, and interest. That’s what
makes a good photograph.'
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'Photos are what remain when the memories are forgotten' - Angular Mo.
 
Angular Mo said:
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'Photos are what remain when the memories are forgotten' - Angular Mo.
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Raist3d (Photographer & Tools/Systems/Gui Games Developer)
Andreas Feininger (1906-1999) 'Photographers — idiots, of which there are
so many — say, “Oh, if only I had a Nikon or a Leica, I could make great
photographs.” That’s the dumbest thing I ever heard in my life. It’s
nothing but a matter of seeing, and thinking, and interest. That’s what
makes a good photograph.'
 
More or less my assessment too. Oly could go entirely mirrorless in a couple of years, and 2011 will be critical to see what improvement they can bring to CDAF., new HG lenses and faster chips.

In respect to Panny's advantage, they might specialise more in still photography than video, hard to tell.

An area very critical in respect to Sony, is continuous AF and tracking with high frameraate, which can somehow solve the sports problem, despite the EVF lag - see the A55.

I don't wish them bad luck, like many here. I think that they are doing pioneering work, which will be laterr adopted by many companies, and therefore they deserve our strongest support.

Am.
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Photostream: http://www.flickr.com/photos/amalric
 
Angular Mo said:
Raist3d said:
If they do manage to keep 4/3rds lenses focusing fast on those bodies, I really think it's all good.
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I hope they support their current 4/3rd PDAF glass in a new mirrorless body.

I also hope they add a mirrorless body that can ergonomically support sealed HG and SHG glass, so what I have can be used on new bodies.
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What do you have? The only Oly HG glass I could detect in your plan is the 14-54 Mk1.

You might as well sell it and give us a break, instead of whining from thread to thread. :)

Am.

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amalric said:
An area very critical in respect to Sony, is continuous AF and tracking with high frameraate, which can somehow solve the sports problem, despite the EVF lag - see the A55.
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its novel but
i just dont see any advantages with that thing
quite a bit larger than their own Nex (if small is the object ?)
the fps it can make is done with SLRs too

they achieve focus that will clearly be dispatched by CDAF if not pCDAF quite soon if not already
would you really put a filter on your lenses at 45 degrees ?
amalric said:
I don't wish them bad luck, like many here. I think that they are doing pioneering work, which will be laterr adopted by many companies, and therefore they deserve our strongest support.
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its a stop gap at best
they will ditch it like a hot rock when theyre good and ready

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Riley

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Hopefully they can be quick enough to get to their ultimate end game.

A true pro specced Micro 4/3 that would use the 4/3 lenses could be a game changer. Lots of consumer models, no higher end models.

I really hope they make the first mirrorless camera that pros actually want to use for work. And some good consumer models that are higher specced.
 
You can't just throw away all the hard work they put into making it. It's the crown jewel of their design, above all else.

It only needs a worthy body to attach to it.

Olympus will provide it in due time. We just have to be patient.

In the meantime....I'll enjoy my coming E5.
 
amalric said:
Angular Mo said:
Raist3d said:
If they do manage to keep 4/3rds lenses focusing fast on those bodies, I really think it's all good.
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I hope they support their current 4/3rd PDAF glass in a new mirrorless body.

I also hope they add a mirrorless body that can ergonomically support sealed HG and SHG glass, so what I have can be used on new bodies.
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What do you have? The only Oly HG glass I could detect in your plan is the 14-54 Mk1.
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I also have 50-200 and PL25/1.5
amalric said:
You might as well sell it and give us a break, instead of whining from thread to thread. :)

Am.

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'Photos are what remain when the memories are forgotten' - Angular Mo.
 
remember, those "design crown jewels" are nothing to Olympus if they aren't making money. If they don't, whatever cost went into making them is a sunk cost.

I think they will support them, but I think they will start phasing out their production as sales taper out and they roll out their new high grade class micro lenses.

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Raist3d (Photographer & Tools/Systems/Gui Games Developer)
Andreas Feininger (1906-1999) 'Photographers — idiots, of which there are
so many — say, “Oh, if only I had a Nikon or a Leica, I could make great
photographs.” That’s the dumbest thing I ever heard in my life. It’s
nothing but a matter of seeing, and thinking, and interest. That’s what
makes a good photograph.'
 
Ok, I'm over the fact that we're quite looking at the end of the line for DSLRs from Olympus. As long as they can deliver with Pen, that's fine by me. Things we need/that I would like to see:
  • Stay 12mp for now but follow Leica and dump the AA filter altogether
  • Get the AF on par with Panasonic
  • Faster AF for 43 lenses (bearing in mind it will take years for Olympus to replace the SHG line with m43 equivalents)
  • EVF good enough to shoot sports in low light (hmmmm.... I suspect failure or not to do this will be the kicker for some)
  • A larger, high quality Pen body with built in EVF (see above) but I would expect this to still be smaller than a Leica digital M.
Do I need all these? Not really, but I try to be a man for the people :).

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Rriley said:
amalric said:
An area very critical in respect to Sony, is continuous AF and tracking with high frameraate, which can somehow solve the sports problem, despite the EVF lag - see the A55.
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its novel but
i just dont see any advantages with that thing
quite a bit larger than their own Nex (if small is the object ?)
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I am mentioning Sony because they succeeded in achieving both fast auto tracking and a high framerate. This somehow circumvents the EVF lag, since the camera is able to follow the target's trajectory partly by itself.
Rriley said:
the fps it can make is done with SLRs too

they achieve focus that will clearly be dispatched by CDAF if not pCDAF quite soon if not already
would you really put a filter on your lenses at 45 degrees ?
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I know it's a stopgap. Personally I think that we'll soon get the same AF speed with CDAF. GH2 apparently does already.
Rriley said:
Rriley said:
I don't wish them bad luck, like many here. I think that they are doing pioneering work, which will be laterr adopted by many companies, and therefore they deserve our strongest support.
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its a stop gap at best
they will ditch it like a hot rock when theyre good and ready
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Again, who are you referring to? Sony or Oly? The A55 has the possibility of mounting Alfa lenses, therefore it is not destroying previous investment, I take.

Oly's way might be very different. Having to decide soon if to revamp some HG lenses, or make them anew.

SHG lenses I see in a more distant future, because they'll have to see how far firmware correction can go without degrading optical performance, in order to make them smaller and lighter, for the new register. Or they might come up with pCDAF on sensor instead, as you say.

What I don't see is a Super 4/3. That is a project for an affluent division, or which has a strong financial backing. More modestly, in the mopnths ahead they will have to provide HG glass to µ4/3 if they want to stay in the game.

Am.
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AF speed match - this will happen
New high quality still somewhat small lenses

After that-
  • better ergonomics/interface
  • new better sensor.
Lenses for me are the current deal breaker. I would be even willing to use manual focus only with the current EVF tech.

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Raist3d (Photographer & Tools/Systems/Gui Games Developer)
Andreas Feininger (1906-1999) 'Photographers — idiots, of which there are
so many — say, “Oh, if only I had a Nikon or a Leica, I could make great
photographs.” That’s the dumbest thing I ever heard in my life. It’s
nothing but a matter of seeing, and thinking, and interest. That’s what
makes a good photograph.'
 
Angular Mo said:
amalric said:
Angular Mo said:
Raist3d said:
If they do manage to keep 4/3rds lenses focusing fast on those bodies, I really think it's all good.
Click to expand...
I hope they support their current 4/3rd PDAF glass in a new mirrorless body.

I also hope they add a mirrorless body that can ergonomically support sealed HG and SHG glass, so what I have can be used on new bodies.
Click to expand...
What do you have? The only Oly HG glass I could detect in your plan is the 14-54 Mk1.
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I also have 50-200 and PL25/1.5
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Isn't the PL 25 focussing very well on Micro? As for the 50-200 didn't Oly promise a firmware update? Besides you could ditch that too :)

Think if Oly came up with a new m.Zuiko 50-200 with half the weight for half the price. It has just done so for the 14-150. How would you feel then?

Am.
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Photostream: http://www.flickr.com/photos/amalric
 
Mirrorless pro body with perfect AF and EVF and uses 4/3 lenses. YES!!!

Joe
 
I think in 2011 Olympus will be aiming first at the "fat middle" to pad out the missing 4/6** sections now left. So expecting entry/mid level Pens with built in EVF and some nice lenses...but yeah maybe end of 2011 or start 2012 a HG body.

At a guess Panasonic will be first runner out of the blocks with a m4/3 version of the L1 with traditional controls to try and cast the net a bit wider....and Voigtlander (Cosina) will produce one body.
 
dab1 said:
I think in 2011 Olympus will be aiming first at the "fat middle" to pad out the missing 4/6** sections now left. So expecting entry/mid level Pens with built in EVF and some nice lenses...but yeah maybe end of 2011 or start 2012 a HG body.

At a guess Panasonic will be first runner out of the blocks with a m4/3 version of the L1 with traditional controls to try and cast the net a bit wider....and Voigtlander (Cosina) will produce one body.
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Are you running the camera section at Wikileaks? :)

BTW I am beginning to wonder if this forum shouldn't be renamed something like Olympus Advanced Cameras, when the first µ4/3 HG lens will be out.

To have a forum just for a new dSLR and surviving ones seems a bit weird.

Also, the interest for advanced photography seems very fleeting in the Other Forum.

Sooner or later this matter will have to be sorted out, to avoid the ongoing funeral lasting years.

Am.

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Photostream: http://www.flickr.com/photos/amalric
 
Raist3d said:
As for those thinking there will be another 4/3rds DSLR, think about this- what's the cycle of the Olympus top pro camera? 3-4 years? Unless that shortens, Olympus has 3 years at least to make the Pen match whatever the pro 4/3rds line would have done before they would be expected to come out with a new model. I predict they will be able to do that within 2 if the GH2 is any indication with its absurdly fast and accurate AF.

If they do manage to keep 4/3rds lenses focusing fast on those bodies, I really think it's all good.
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Agree!
Member said:
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Raist3d (Photographer & Tools/Systems/Gui Games Developer)
Andreas Feininger (1906-1999) 'Photographers — idiots, of which there are
so many — say, “Oh, if only I had a Nikon or a Leica, I could make great
photographs.” That’s the dumbest thing I ever heard in my life. It’s
nothing but a matter of seeing, and thinking, and interest. That’s what
makes a good photograph.'
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