(More) Thom Hogan on the X100

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More Thoughts on the X100

Oct 1 (commentary) --Some people have taken me to task for my condemnation of the Fujifilm X100 user interface. After all, it has dials, right?

Sure, but are they the right ones? For example, how do you set ISO? Oh, wait, there isn't even a dedicated button for that on the thirteen button back of the camera! Indeed, why are there even 14 buttons and two extra dials (other than aperture, shutter speed, and EC) on a "retro" design camera? The overall design doesn't seem consistent, focused, or operating under one single design concept. Instead, it seems like a kludge of "what we do with digital compacts" and "what we did with film cameras when we didn't have to set much." Out of such compromises comes user nuisance, in my opinion.

What the X100 looks like is a pet side project that got far enough along that someone okayed it to go public as a test. If that's the case, Fujifilm should go back and create a common design goal that's fully retro and fully photographer centric.

Beyond the obvious Dr. Jekyl and Mr. Hyde personality of the design, I also wonder about the holding position. Cameras with far left viewfinders have always been a bit of a problem. Left-eyed folk end up with their nose jammed into the center of the camera and the camera angled off to their left. Right-eyed folk end up with the camera not being supported against their face during shooting. This makes the right-hand grip hold very important, but the X100 doesn't really have one, a common compact camera design flaw. What happens is that you start to brace your wrist into the back right side of the camera and there's all those buttons sitting there, which get pressed randomly when you're not paying attention. That's one of the big flaws of the Olympus m4/3 models, for instance, and I suspect it will be with the X100, too.

And exactly what is the command dial for? If Fujifilm is really going to include it, they need to look at the Panasonic and Ricoh implementations of push-and-dial (e.g. push to bring up commonly set items, dial to choose one). Even the Coolpix P7000's implementation seems better chosen.

As I've already noted, the offset hot shoe and tripod mount are no-no's, too. All in all, it seems like a kludge of old and new in the simplest possible way to put together.

Finally, one should note that Fujifilm's marketing materials are decidedly subtle in wording. The camera doesn't even use a Fujifilm sensor, apparently ("EXR Processor newly developed" not "EXR sensor"). (By the way, what does "more responsive reproduction of the image" mean?) Nor does the camera have Fujifilm's phase detect AF implementation, and Fujifilm seems to have skipped over telling any of us how we're going to focus it manually (that, after all, is part of the joy of "retro").

The niftiest feature of the X100 is the viewfinder display, which nicely melds optical with electronic. Funny how no one else figured out the correct combination previously (the technique for overlaying electronics with optical has existed for years, and is used in most Nikon DSLRs). Fortunately, the Japanese are great copiers, so if the X100's viewfinder really turns out as good as it seems in the prototype on display at Photokina, other makers will emulate it quickly enough.

I want to like the X100 very much. After all, I've been asking for a good large sensor compact for quite some time. But I'm not feeling it from the X100 so far. Too many missed points in the design decisions for me. Let's hope Fujifilm addresses them before the camera is set in stone.

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I don't have a dawg in this hunt.
 
"All material on http://www.bythom.com is Copyright 2010 Thom Hogan. All rights reserved.

Unauthorized use of writing or photos published on this site is illegal, not to mention a bit of an ethical lapse. Please respect my rights."

Your pasting of Thom's writing is illegal and much more, completely unethical. Why would I go to his site now? Clearly I did to get the above quote, but if I did not do that, I deprive him of some of his income by him having one less hit to show his sponsors.

Post a link.
 
Break out the popcorn, this is gonna get ugly. Looks like Thom found a good way to boost his site traffic without offending Nikon owners, - much better to headkick a minor player like Fuji.

A lot of speculation on handling and operation, - a bird in the hand is much better than untested vapourware speculation.

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Break out the popcorn, this is gonna get ugly. Looks like Thom found a good way to boost his site traffic without offending Nikon owners, - much better to headkick a minor player like Fuji.

A lot of speculation on handling and operation, - a bird in the hand is much better than untested vapourware speculation.
Some of his comments seam reasonable. I dont know why he thinks the X100 would change substantially. That would seem impossible if Fuji is going to hit their March 2011 deadline. They have a lot of legwork to get done before this thing is real.
 
"All material on http://www.bythom.com is Copyright 2010 Thom Hogan. All rights reserved.

Unauthorized use of writing or photos published on this site is illegal, not to mention a bit of an ethical lapse. Please respect my rights."

Your pasting of Thom's writing is illegal and much more, completely unethical. Why would I go to his site now? Clearly I did to get the above quote, but if I did not do that, I deprive him of some of his income by him having one less hit to show his sponsors.

Post a link.
I doubt that Thom will take legal action but you made a good point. I sometimes quote Thom but it's always a short quote (fair use is assumed) and provide a link to the full article and often with enough info. to find the article by anyone reading my post more than a couple days after posting it, since Thom archives his news entries pretty quickly.

The thing that amazes me that I got from another thread is the size of the X100. I knew it was larger than most compacts, but if it's true that the X100 is wider and taller than the Olympus C-8080, now that's a biiiiig camera, even if it's somewhat thinner. And is it really a manual focus camera? That might be ok for a 20mm equivalent focal length (which is what I'd have preferred, or even wider), but 35mm? That's retro gone wild.
 
Break out the popcorn, this is gonna get ugly. Looks like Thom found a good way to boost his site traffic without offending Nikon owners, - much better to headkick a minor player like Fuji.
The ugliness started with your reply. Thom never, to my knowledge, has ever shied away from telling the truth. The good, the bad and the ugly, even when it might offend Nikon and owners of Nikon's cameras and lenses. Do you need to be reminded that he was one of the first to criticize the P6000, pointing out why he preferred the G10 and LX3, or that he was so critical of the D3000? He does think that the D3100 is a good upgrade, but in today's news he points out that its video isn't very good. Actually, this is a mild paraphrase. What he actually wrote was this :
The drawback? Video sucks. The rolling shutter problem in this sensor is about as bad as I've seen in a DSLR. So panning or moving objects tend to get the "leans" and back and forth panning is like looking into a bowl of Jello during an earthquake. That's a real shame, as the D3100 was looking pretty darned good in both features and performance until I discovered that.
http://www.bythom.com/


Is this a case of kicking Nikon in the head to boost his traffic, or is he performing a service to his readers, potential Nikon customers that would be better off deciding for themselves if the video problem is serious or nothing to be concerned about? It's honesty like this that creates loyal fans and helps the sales of his manuals. If there's one thing that Thom Hogan is not, it's a Nikon shill.

If there's a brand other than Nikon that he'd love to succeed with a fine product it would be Fuji, since it's the only brand other than Nikon that he not only reviews but writes manuals for, and if you read his reviews for Fuji's DSLRs you'll see his reasons why he sometimes chose to use them for his personal use over Nikon's bodies. Was that headkicking Nikon? I hope that this was just a one-off slip because I don't previously recall you being one of the forum's virulent Fuji fanboys.
 
Should I get my deposit back?
When I read in another thread that you paid a deposit for the X100 I was pretty surprised. I checked a few places (Amazon and B&H) and didn't see that they were accepting deposits so I don't know how much you paid. If you're really as infatuated with the X100 as you've seemed to be and the deposit wasn't excessive ($150 or more) why not wait? Thom seems to think that Fuji may make some design changes (adding an ISO control would be simple) and I agree. I don't know if you filled out Fuji's on-line X100 survey, but I don't recall them doing this for previous cameras, so it's very likely that the X100's design isn't set in stone just yet, and what they finally produce may very well be a better camera than you've seen so far. Or you could get your deposit back and wait to see what happens. In any case I'm not sure about the 2011 Q1 ship date and would be surprised if it ships much before next July. Actually the more it's delayed, the better the production X100 might be.
 
I don't need Thom Hogan's approval to make a purchase. I must have seen 500 posts from people who LOVE this camera. They can't all be wrong!

p.s. I made a $100 refundable deposit.
Should I get my deposit back?
When I read in another thread that you paid a deposit for the X100 I was pretty surprised. I checked a few places (Amazon and B&H) and didn't see that they were accepting deposits so I don't know how much you paid. If you're really as infatuated with the X100 as you've seemed to be and the deposit wasn't excessive ($150 or more) why not wait? Thom seems to think that Fuji may make some design changes (adding an ISO control would be simple) and I agree. I don't know if you filled out Fuji's on-line X100 survey, but I don't recall them doing this for previous cameras, so it's very likely that the X100's design isn't set in stone just yet, and what they finally produce may very well be a better camera than you've seen so far. Or you could get your deposit back and wait to see what happens. In any case I'm not sure about the 2011 Q1 ship date and would be surprised if it ships much before next July. Actually the more it's delayed, the better the production X100 might be.
 
I don't need Thom Hogan's approval to make a purchase. I must have seen 500 posts from people who LOVE this camera. They can't all be wrong!
Of course not. Nobody needs anybody's approval to buy a camera. But the 500 people that you saw that "LOVE" the camera, if all of them read Thom's comments don't you think at least a few (and I stress "a few", not all or most) might have second thoughts? If not, then their love is blind . . . or they all drank the Kool-Aid.

p.s. I made a $100 refundable deposit.
So if your deposit was sent to a reputable company or one that won't go into Chapter 11 before you get the camera, the deposit will only have cost you the earning potential of a few dollars. Chump change. :)
 
I don't need Thom Hogan's approval to make a purchase. I must have seen 500 posts from people who LOVE this camera. They can't all be wrong!
Of course not. Nobody needs anybody's approval to buy a camera. But the 500 people that you saw that "LOVE" the camera, if all of them read Thom's comments don't you think at least a few (and I stress "a few", not all or most) might have second thoughts? If not, then their love is blind . . . or they all drank the Kool-Aid.
p.s. I made a $100 refundable deposit.
So if your deposit was sent to a reputable company or one that won't go into Chapter 11 before you get the camera, the deposit will only have cost you the earning potential of a few dollars. Chump change. :)
Huh, no, that's why you use a credit card.
 
p.s. I made a $100 refundable deposit.
So if your deposit was sent to a reputable company or one that won't go into Chapter 11 before you get the camera, the deposit will only have cost you the earning potential of a few dollars. Chump change. :)
Huh, no, that's why you use a credit card.
Well, that's a good reason for using credit cards, but my point was more about the lost earning power of your deposit, and that if the deposit wasn't excessive (which it wasn't), it wouldn't be worth worrying about. If you don't mind saying, which company did you reserve the X100 with. There could be as many as 500 others that might also be interested in knowing who you did business with. :)
 
p.s. I made a $100 refundable deposit.
So if your deposit was sent to a reputable company or one that won't go into Chapter 11 before you get the camera, the deposit will only have cost you the earning potential of a few dollars. Chump change. :)
Huh, no, that's why you use a credit card.
Well, that's a good reason for using credit cards, but my point was more about the lost earning power of your deposit...
Uh, at current 6 month CD rates that amounts to about about 25 cents. Keep trying!
 
Mr. Hogan seems to be radicalizing his opposition to the X100. I find a lot of unsupported criticism in the quoted paragraph.

Hey... Is it maybe that famous/powerful people don't take very well anything but wow reactions to their opinions? I now he is widely respected here, but he seems to think that he knows more than anybody else, including engineers and scientists from companies such as Nikon, Fuji, etc.

I have eyes to see and I like what I see in the X100. The other only really comparable camera is Leica's X1, but you know the price on that one.

I don't think for a minute that the X100 will be perfect, but it is a gigantic step in MY right direction. This is the first time in more than 15 years that I am exited about a camera.

I really hope Fuji hits home run with this one.
 
I don't need Thom Hogan's approval to make a purchase. I must have seen 500 posts from people who LOVE this camera. They can't all be wrong!

p.s. I made a $100 refundable deposit.
What camera? Its all smoke and mirrors at present. Only a fool would pre-purchase a nonexistant camera.
 
Well, that's a good reason for using credit cards, but my point was more about the lost earning power of your deposit...
Uh, at current 6 month CD rates that amounts to about about 25 cents. Keep trying!
Ok, I will. There's no one CD rate and you don't have to look very hard to get a rate that's more than double what you stated. But as I repeatedly pointed out, the lost earning power (because the deposit wasn't excessive) was insignificant. Couldn't you understand that, even after reading it several times? Your cluelessness may have something to do with why you even bothered to put down the deposit in the first place. You no longer get any benefits of doubts since you've gone beyond cluelessness into troll territory. It would be better for all concerned if you stop trying.
 
Well, that's a good reason for using credit cards, but my point was more about the lost earning power of your deposit...
Uh, at current 6 month CD rates that amounts to about about 25 cents. Keep trying!
Ok, I will. There's no one CD rate and you don't have to look very hard to get a rate that's more than double what you stated.
Are you for real? Ok, I'll triple it! 75 cents!
 

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