White Balance with F505V

Ulysses · Jul 19, 2000

I have supplied in this album a series of 38 images, half of which are actual photos and the other half of which are accompanying histograms and EXIF header information saved as a graphic. Visit the album at:

http://www.imagestation.com/album/?albumlist=0&tstart=0&tpics=20&tshowall=1&tnewonly=1&id=4293877093&tcols=4

By clicking on the drop-down box and choosing "Original" rather than "Normal", you'll be able to better see the histograms as well as the original image file that was taken by the camera.

In this way, if anyone is interested, you can see the different results I was getting with flash (and a few images without), and you can make easy comparisons based not only upon the images but also the data that was being reported by EXIF Image Viewer, by Mike Kowalski. EXIF-IV is found at:
http://members.xoom.com/mkowalski.1/

Generally speaking, the full Auto mode tends to de-emphasize reds, while giving the high blue ranges a bit of a boost. Sometimes I'm not seeing the lower blue ranges achieve a similar boost, which is why I believe I have a slight miscoloration in the peanut butter jars and other objects that should be a darker shade of blue (compare these with objects in your own kitchen).

Using any of the other Program AE modes tends to boost the red back up to where it probably ought to be in the first place, with Twilight placing reds a little over the top and at the same time de-emphasizing blue just a bit.

This is VERY interesting behavior, IMO. Once you know what the camera is going to do, you will probably be able to work around it. For most purposes, an individual may never see the problem areas unless you point it out to them. But if you're a purist, you might have some problems with the color. OTOH, this can be said of any digital camera or any brand of film on the market.

No excuses, however, Sony. This should be addressed and fixed for current as well as future owners of the F505V. Not all will want to work this hard to figure out what is going on. They're not ALL gluttons for punishment like myself, Pondria, Andreas or Jacques.

I still love the camera, and I'm going to try to continue to see if more can be done to enhance its usability and usefulness (within budgetary constraints, of course). LOL!!--Ulysses
http://www.pioneeris.net/ashton/IC
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RJK · Jul 19, 2000

It is fun experimenting and learning what the camera will do in certain circumstances though, huh?! Thanks for all the work you're putting in to this camera and forum. I also really appreciate Pondria's efforts greatly! He's done quite the job with all of his analysis. I do my own now that I've got the EXIF program... I just don't have time to post all of the things I'm learning... but it's fun in the process. AND - it's very rewarding when the pictures come out just like I like them!

Thanks again!

Ulysses said:
I have supplied in this album a series of 38 images, half of which are
actual photos and the other half of which are accompanying histograms and
EXIF header information saved as a graphic. Visit the album at:

http://www.imagestation.com/album/?albumlist=0&tstart=0&tpics=20&tshowall=1&tnewonly=1&id=4293877093&tcols=4

By clicking on the drop-down box and choosing "Original" rather than
"Normal", you'll be able to better see the histograms as well as the
original image file that was taken by the camera.

In this way, if anyone is interested, you can see the different results I
was getting with flash (and a few images without), and you can make easy
comparisons based not only upon the images but also the data that was
being reported by EXIF Image Viewer, by Mike Kowalski. EXIF-IV is found
at:
http://members.xoom.com/mkowalski.1/

Generally speaking, the full Auto mode tends to de-emphasize reds, while
giving the high blue ranges a bit of a boost. Sometimes I'm not seeing
the lower blue ranges achieve a similar boost, which is why I believe I
have a slight miscoloration in the peanut butter jars and other objects
that should be a darker shade of blue (compare these with objects in your
own kitchen).

Using any of the other Program AE modes tends to boost the red back up to
where it probably ought to be in the first place, with Twilight placing
reds a little over the top and at the same time de-emphasizing blue just
a bit.

This is VERY interesting behavior, IMO. Once you know what the camera is
going to do, you will probably be able to work around it. For most
purposes, an individual may never see the problem areas unless you point
it out to them. But if you're a purist, you might have some problems with
the color. OTOH, this can be said of any digital camera or any brand of
film on the market.

No excuses, however, Sony. This should be addressed and fixed for current
as well as future owners of the F505V. Not all will want to work this
hard to figure out what is going on. They're not ALL gluttons for
punishment like myself, Pondria, Andreas or Jacques.

I still love the camera, and I'm going to try to continue to see if more
can be done to enhance its usability and usefulness (within budgetary
constraints, of course). LOL!!
--
Ulysses
http://www.pioneeris.net/ashton/IC
Image Composer - Techniques, Tips and Help Site

Ulysses · Jul 19, 2000

Bob -

You are VERY welcome. I'm glad that this stuff is of help to someone.

You hit upon the point in this post as well as your other original earlier: Our pictures should come out as WE want them to. Otherwise, what's the point? Just for the sake of saying, "I've got a [fill in blank] camera"? Nah, that doesn't cut it, really.

We just want good pics. I can't understand owners from one brand constantly berating other users or their cameras for a choice made about getting what they WANT out of their pictures or making off-handed comments of superiority because of their own choice. Something wrong there, and it ain't the camera.

Oh well, I digress. It's a lovely world out there, and we should have fun while shooting it. Well, let me tell ya. The F505V is definitely a FUN camera to use.

Enjoy!!

Bob said:
It is fun experimenting and learning what the camera will do in certain
circumstances though, huh?! Thanks for all the work you're putting in to
this camera and forum. I also really appreciate Pondria's efforts
greatly! He's done quite the job with all of his analysis. I do my own
now that I've got the EXIF program... I just don't have time to post all
of the things I'm learning... but it's fun in the process. AND - it's
very rewarding when the pictures come out just like I like them!

RJK · Jul 19, 2000

You're right. All of us buy EVERYTHING we have for some reason. I chose the F505 after having an order for a Mavica FD88 (wanted it for the storage media) and doing more research I cancelled the Mavica order and chose the F505 for the Memory Stick format AND the lens. I liked the reviews I read and for me I liked it better than the Nikon or Oly products that were out. I endured waiting on my 505 for 4 months and as soon as I got it the V was announced (figures!). Well, I decided that I liked the 505 but I really wanted to get the V because I knew how much I liked the 505 and I figured the V would be even better! At first I was disappointed in the colors I was getting with the V. But, after looking back at some of my first 505 photos I didn't like them too much either. So, I've decided to keep up with what all of you are trying to do on this forum and experiment for myself in order to learn about the V and what I can do with it. I was waiting for a really sunny day which I got yesterday. It's too bad the photos I posted earlier only show up in a smaller size on here. On my monitor at full size they are nothing short of amazing!!!

I'm going to post one more photo on the other thread... it's the AUTO one with flash... you'll be able to see the difference immediately. The colors MIGHT be authentic, but they aren't very pleasing to my eyes at least...

Ulysses said:
You are VERY welcome. I'm glad that this stuff is of help to someone.

You hit upon the point in this post as well as your other original
earlier: Our pictures should come out as WE want them to. Otherwise,
what's the point? Just for the sake of saying, "I've got a [fill in
blank] camera"? Nah, that doesn't cut it, really.

We just want good pics. I can't understand owners from one brand
constantly berating other users or their cameras for a choice made about
getting what they WANT out of their pictures or making off-handed
comments of superiority because of their own choice. Something wrong
there, and it ain't the camera.

Oh well, I digress. It's a lovely world out there, and we should have fun
while shooting it. Well, let me tell ya. The F505V is definitely a FUN
camera to use.

Enjoy!!

Bob said:

It is fun experimenting and learning what the camera will do in certain
circumstances though, huh?! Thanks for all the work you're putting in to
this camera and forum. I also really appreciate Pondria's efforts
greatly! He's done quite the job with all of his analysis. I do my own
now that I've got the EXIF program... I just don't have time to post all
of the things I'm learning... but it's fun in the process. AND - it's
very rewarding when the pictures come out just like I like them!

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Pondria · Jul 19, 2000

Ulysses, I am now working on your butter jar lid. I am trying to reproduce the blue that you got. Just checking, do you have one of those "natural spectrum" fluorescent bulb ?

Ulysses said:
Generally speaking, the full Auto mode tends to de-emphasize reds, while
giving the high blue ranges a bit of a boost. Sometimes I'm not seeing
the lower blue ranges achieve a similar boost, which is why I believe I
have a slight miscoloration in the peanut butter jars and other objects
that should be a darker shade of blue (compare these with objects in your
own kitchen).

Ulysses · Jul 19, 2000

Pondria. Thanks for helping out with this puzzle.

Oh shoot! I just figured it out!! You're gonna laugh!!!

I use smooth. I think you're using the chunky. Different jar colors!!

Still, my shots are not as blue as they ought to be, but at least I'm over THAT one when looking at your pics. LOL!!

BTW, the bulb I believe is just a plain Phillips 60W incandescent light bulb, not fluorescent.

pondria said:
Ulysses said:

Generally speaking, the full Auto mode tends to de-emphasize reds, while
giving the high blue ranges a bit of a boost. Sometimes I'm not seeing
the lower blue ranges achieve a similar boost, which is why I believe I
have a slight miscoloration in the peanut butter jars and other objects
that should be a darker shade of blue (compare these with objects in your
own kitchen).

Click to expand...

Teddy · Jul 19, 2000

Hhhmmm, I wonder why Pondria is asking if you have the fluorescent, is it because flourescent casts greener light ?

Ulysses said:
Oh shoot! I just figured it out!! You're gonna laugh!!!

I use smooth. I think you're using the chunky. Different jar colors!!

Still, my shots are not as blue as they ought to be, but at least I'm
over THAT one when looking at your pics. LOL!!

BTW, the bulb I believe is just a plain Phillips 60W incandescent light
bulb, not fluorescent.

pondria said:

Ulysses said:

Generally speaking, the full Auto mode tends to de-emphasize reds, while
giving the high blue ranges a bit of a boost. Sometimes I'm not seeing
the lower blue ranges achieve a similar boost, which is why I believe I
have a slight miscoloration in the peanut butter jars and other objects
that should be a darker shade of blue (compare these with objects in your
own kitchen).

Click to expand...

Click to expand...

Ulysses · Jul 19, 2000

Fluorescent: is it greener, bluer, or is it more violet.

I was wondering something similar, but I got so side-tracked about the peanut butter that I lost my little peanut thought!!

Teddy said:
Hhhmmm, I wonder why Pondria is asking if you have the fluorescent, is
it because flourescent casts greener light ?

Teddy · Jul 19, 2000

Photographs taken with fluorescent light turns out to be greenish. Dont worry, there are filters you can use to neutralise this kind of lighting. For example, Cokin's # 036 filter (FLW - corrector of fluorescent light).

Cokin's blue conversion filters reduce the orange tones of tungsten light (use#20), or halogen lights (use#21 or #22).
Just a thought.

Ulysses said:
I was wondering something similar, but I got so side-tracked about the
peanut butter that I lost my little peanut thought!!

Teddy said:

Hhhmmm, I wonder why Pondria is asking if you have the fluorescent, is
it because flourescent casts greener light ?

Click to expand...

Ulysses · Jul 20, 2000

I have added another five photographs along with five accompanying charts with the histogram and EXIF header information.

I went to a different room using one of those 300W tall halogen bulb lamps, you know the kind I mean. The ones from Service Merchandise.

I chose a few different items ranging through blues, reds, yellows, oranges, pinks, purples. Sorry about the flash reflections off of the tissue paper package. Wasn't paying attention to that at the time. It was late.

Anyway, the histogram charts are interesting. In this case, the full Auto gives a very nicely synchronized set of R G B levels. Yet, to my eyes, the image doesn't have enough of the original's "pow" factor.

Maybe it's just me. I'm getting punchy taking all of these samples.

At any rate, as soon as I get done doing some work, I have something else to show you guys, which you might find interesting. The images themselves may not tell the whole story.

Ulysses said:
I have supplied in this album a series of 38 images, half of which are
actual photos and the other half of which are accompanying histograms and
EXIF header information saved as a graphic. Visit the album at:

http://www.imagestation.com/album/?albumlist=0&tstart=0&tpics=20&tshowall=1&tnewonly=1&id=4293877093&tcols=4

Ulysses · Jul 20, 2000

Just in case you don't already have it:

http://www.imagestation.com/album/?albumlist=0&tstart=0&tpics=20&tshowall=1&tnewonly=1&id=4293877093&tcols=4

Ulysses said:
I have added another five photographs along with five accompanying charts
with the histogram and EXIF header information.

I went to a different room using one of those 300W tall halogen bulb
lamps, you know the kind I mean. The ones from Service Merchandise.

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