A Site Dedicated just for The SX30Is...For Condor - II

jmoh said:

Hi condor,

Wow!....You really are Into Fine Details !!...Thanks for all The Comparisons and Pics. As for me The Pics by Bob Thompson with The 1.7x Extended Zoom ( around 1400mm ) Hits The Nail For me.....I will Be waiting for the arrival of the SX30 Within the next few weeks.

Here's The Pic That Made The Decision a lot easiier for me. I am Impressed at the Details at this far end....All I Did was adjust The auto level and Add a Little Sharpness and Wala !!!.....Incredible !!! Can't wait for it to arrive, so that I Could have Try Out.

The Pic That Did It for me.....@ 1400mm !!!





Thanks......James.

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Hi James,

That new version of yours looks pretty good. It seems that I will finally have to learn how to do that, if it is so easy as to start with a no perfect but good SX30IS photo and just... "adjust the auto level and Add a Little Sharpness and Wala"... as you said.

Cheers.

Ed

Great link, thanks for sharing.

For those of us who do not have PaintShop, what other hope is there from CA correction?

Do I understand that some cameras do this correction automatically? (like the FZ100)

harrison2 said:

Great link, thanks for sharing.

For those of us who do not have PaintShop, what other hope is there from CA correction?

Do I understand that some cameras do this correction automatically? (like the FZ100)

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Hi harrison2,

It's easy If You have The ' Photoscape ' software, It's a very Popular and free Software. All you need is to download the latest .ersion and Try it out......I Use it as my standard PP engine....Once you have Downloaded it, just go to the ' Bright Color ' Tab and look for the ' Remove color cast Menu and It just does it Automaticaly for you. It's an excellent shareware, so just Give it try and you won't be Dissapointed.

Thanks ...James.

Hi harrison2,

I'm no expert with photoshop programs so other members suggestions you received may work better for you, but I have one more suggestion. I found these two photoshop type programs thru CNET. (Paint.net and Gimp) I find Paint.net simpler to use, but Gimp is more powerful and it has the program for correcting fringing. Both programs are FREE.

http://paint.net/
http://www.gimp.org/

http://registry.gimp.org/node/185

(The purple fringe script is here, with instructions on adding it to the Gimp program after you download it to your computer. I'm completely Photoshop illiterate but I was still able to understand the instructions. )

Below are some photos that others have posted here using the sx30is, and then below them are my attempts to correct or enhance the originals with the above free photoshop programs.

1) Is the first picture that came out at photokina with the severe CA (fringing).

2) One of the first photos from Sydney with CA (fringing) on the wall.

3) Isn't really about correcting fringing, but an attempt to try and make the picture warmer and brighter since it was taken on a cloudy day. I believe this was also taken by Sydney.

Thank you everyone for all the pictures and information about this camera so I can make an informed decision on my next camera purchase. And especially Condor for all your work in finding information, photos and videos and then compiling them here. Thanks!

Karen

P.S. I was not able to remove ALL the CA (fringing) from these photos, especially the first one, but I hope the test pictures show that it may still be possible to save pictures that have minimum or moderate fringing in the photo.

























Karen
(Canon s3is user)

Glad to see, that you have fun using my comparison shots. Thank you for your efford.

I updated the "e2" shop. Think this was not a fair shot. Here you can find the new FZ100 sample:

http://www.pbase.com/goddy/image/128930248

But the canons win again though ;-)

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Kind regards
Klaus

Wow those sx30 shots really give good details. Just a question. How does this camera do in comparison to sony hx1?

anybody can help?

KSchabarum said:

Glad to see, that you have fun using my comparison shots. Thank you for your efford.

I updated the "e2" shop. Think this was not a fair shot. Here you can find the new FZ100 sample:

http://www.pbase.com/goddy/image/128930248

But the canons win again though ;-)

Kind regards
Klaus

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Hi Klaus,

The one who did the effort was you. As when you gave us those so good comparisons samples when FZ100 first appeared in August.

Thanks for your updated FZ100 shot. I will post the 3 comparisons again to be fair, and I will compare 2 or 3 details in that comming new post.

Thanks again, and if you have any new personal comment, opinion, highlight or critic about the SX30IS alone or compared to any other camera, please do it, since you are one of the members we trust and who has always helped us to make better informed dicisions.

Cheers.

Ed

Here are the comparison with Klaus' updated FZ100 shot from the Solitaire Parabolic.

This time I'm just taking FZ100 and SX30IS samples, since SX10IS has probed to give also better details than FZ100 but not as good as SX30IS.

First the 2 full size samples (FZ100 updated) to allow your own comparisons, followed by 2 close-ups comparisons:

(Click on "(Original)" to see the full size picture)

The rain drops just don't exist in the FZ100 samples. Massive difference.

It's surprising that Panasonic is trying to sell this model as its flagship superzoom when, in fact, FZ40 could very well turn up to be a better camera.
No Full HD? Interlaced footage is not something to be so proud about.

Fast bursts? I think I will live with 1fps until CMOS technology gets better for compact cameras.

Thanks yall for posting this samples!

Klaus,

One doubt we all have is if FZ100 could provide better longest-zoom-details than SX30IS using all its features as "Intelligent Zoom" plus maximum "Extra Optical Zoom", which of course should be compared with maximum SX30IS "Digital Tele-Converter", set to 2.1x, and photo-resolution reduced to M2 (1600x1200).

Since this Solitaire Parabolic subject has proven to be such a good target for longest-zoom-details comparisons purposes. And which originally seemed to be a cons (the bad weather) has ended up being and excelent low light conditions environment.

Could you perform that test for all of us? Just for FZ100 vs SX30IS. If it its dark there now better.

Thanks in advance and sorry to bother you, but you are almost our unique source for that purpose.

Ed

The Canon SX30 is suffering from severe chromatic aberration. Every white object you shot will have it. Just look at the samples.

Here are some moon shots. But they were not taken at the same day. Sorry about that. For I have already sold my HS10 I just can show an older shot of the clock but taken from the same distance.

The shots are 100% crops from the original file, only the digital zoom pictures are full sized.

FZ100









HS10









SX30 - max zoom, digital zoom (middle), digital zoom max

I think this comparison shots between the three cameras is designed to make the FZ100 look bad. If you look at the roof/antenna samples. The sky background for the

FZ100 is very dark then it gets much brighter for the Canon SX30. The light therefore is manipulated to favor the SX30. Noise and sharpness is all about light. Not a fair comparison at all.

Her is an HS10 shot of the clock





Some pictures from today (still very cloudy and dark weather)

FZ100 at 600 mm





SX30 at 840 mm





SX30 full digital zoom (+2/3 EV)

cashewNut said:

I think this comparison shots between the three cameras is designed to make the FZ100 look bad. If you look at the roof/antenna samples. The sky background for the

FZ100 is very dark then it gets much brighter for the Canon SX30. The light therefore is manipulated to favor the SX30. Noise and sharpness is all about light. Not a fair comparison at all.

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I found this 2 samples from the same source taken the same day Sept. 28. Both cameras again at their longest zooms (for full size images).

I included one details comparison at the bottom.

What do you think?

Click on "(Original)" for the full size versions

cashewNut said:

I think this comparison shots between the three cameras is designed to make the FZ100 look bad. If you look at the roof/antenna samples. The sky background for the

FZ100 is very dark then it gets much brighter for the Canon SX30. The light therefore is manipulated to favor the SX30. Noise and sharpness is all about light. Not a fair comparison at all.

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If that were the case, then the newer version that Klaus uploaded should show the FZ100 on top as the sky is just as light or lighter than the SX30 shot. However, that's not what happens, the FZ100 falls far short. Frankly, I think you're just too committed to the FZ100 to accept the overwhelming evidence that it has lousy IQ.

The FZ100 is a fine camera. It beats the SX30 on many fronts, e.g. speed and CA. But it's not a camera to consider if you care a lot about IQ on stills. The FZ40 is a better choice for that, if you want to stay with Panasonic. I'm still waiting to see some good comparisons between the SX30 and the FZ40.

infraRaven said:

Here are some moon shots. But they were not taken at the same day. Sorry about that. For I have already sold my HS10 I just can show an older shot of the clock but taken from the same distance.

The shots are 100% crops from the original file, only the digital zoom pictures are full sized.

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Thanks,

I will start analysing them. If I see there is some relevant detail comaparison, I will post it.

Thanks again, and all the samples you would like to post are welcome.

Ed

Wow...that stop sign comparison is out of this world.

There are 10 individual "reflectors" that can be clearly seen in the white band at the bottow of the sign...and the water droppletts on the left side. These details are clearly missing in the FZ photo...incredible!

From the latest posts,

Condor, for what I've read, all you will get with FZ100 "intelligent zoom", you can get it too post-processing, say Photoshop, say Final Cut. The "intelligent zoom" function on the SX1 IS (ONLY FOR VIDEO) was a different story.

CashewNut, I disagree. What I think is that we'll all end up buying a SX30 rather than a FZ100; FZ40 still to be tested.

Condor, the Stop sign samples makes the difference so evident, again, that it almost makes me suspect! Can really be FZ100 sooo bad? Or is it that SX30 is super-good?

dmihili, I think FZ100 would be a camera to consider only if SX30 didn't exist and even in that case, I think FZ40 would be a better choice.

Remember we still don't have any "competent" review either from FZ100 nor SX30.

Frankly, I don't know what are they waiting for. They just throw reviews of vulgar point and shoot pocket cameras!