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Well, you know, I don't complain much here on this forum, but it's friday, at bit tired, still at work (not wanting to work) and almost heading to my home... So at least you know my state of mind.

I'm a bit disappointed about Canon. I think people (me also) were expecting much more from Photokina 2010.

I knew 5DIII (although secretly hoping for) wasn't for this year but hoping for some new FF camera. 1DsmkIV, 3D, 6D, whatever, but something for pros like me who have +-3500-4000$ to spent on a (semi-)pro body, not so many pixels, FF with good iso capabilities.

Damn, is it so difficult to meet people's expectations? I'm sure I'm not the only one who's waiting for a let's say "renewed" 1DsmkII. 16Mpix is just enough for me, pro (or even semi-pro like the D700) body, good AF and good iso's.

3 years ago when I swtiched from Pentax to Canon, I think I made the wrong choice. At that time, Canon was the "prime lens leader" and I bought 24L-35L-50L and 85L. Since, I've invested some money in other lenses ( 17L, 65MP-E, ...) and I'm very happy with these lenses, but DARN, Nikon has come up with great stuff (24 1.4 - 35 1.4 - 70-200 new version - 14-24 - ...). Right now, Nikon is on par with Canon about fast prime lenses.

Why are they only 3 camera types of choices for pros:

1) 5DII crappy AF camera
2) 1DsmkIII gettting old (mainly in terms of isos) and still very expensive
3) 1DmkIV not for my type of photography (10fps not needed and APS-H)

I understand these three cameras meet the needs of some people, but not mine (btw I'm a wedding photog - I shoot with 1DmkIII and my wife/partner/second shooter shoots with 5DII). Come on, when I see how many wedding photogs have switched to Nikon I'm just about to do the same. I know, I know, some people are switching from Nikon to Canon, but how many?

Voila, it's friday, I'm frustrated, even frustrated twice because I invested too much money and would loose a lot if switching to Nikon.

So feel free to share your thoughts on this one.
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So your MKIV is not good enough for weddings?

Shooters I know are using their MKIV's in preference to their old 1DSMKIII's which they have sold. The 16-35 seems wide enough for them on the MKIV.

The 5DMKII's AF is not that crappy either.

Zoooming
can_ka_no_rey said:
Well, you know, I don't complain much here on this forum, but it's friday, at bit tired, still at work (not wanting to work) and almost heading to my home... So at least you know my state of mind.

I'm a bit disappointed about Canon. I think people (me also) were expecting much more from Photokina 2010.

I knew 5DIII (although secretly hoping for) wasn't for this year but hoping for some new FF camera. 1DsmkIV, 3D, 6D, whatever, but something for pros like me who have +-3500-4000$ to spent on a (semi-)pro body, not so many pixels, FF with good iso capabilities.

Damn, is it so difficult to meet people's expectations? I'm sure I'm not the only one who's waiting for a let's say "renewed" 1DsmkII. 16Mpix is just enough for me, pro (or even semi-pro like the D700) body, good AF and good iso's.

3 years ago when I swtiched from Pentax to Canon, I think I made the wrong choice. At that time, Canon was the "prime lens leader" and I bought 24L-35L-50L and 85L. Since, I've invested some money in other lenses ( 17L, 65MP-E, ...) and I'm very happy with these lenses, but DARN, Nikon has come up with great stuff (24 1.4 - 35 1.4 - 70-200 new version - 14-24 - ...). Right now, Nikon is on par with Canon about fast prime lenses.

Why are they only 3 camera types of choices for pros:

1) 5DII crappy AF camera
2) 1DsmkIII gettting old (mainly in terms of isos) and still very expensive
3) 1DmkIV not for my type of photography (10fps not needed and APS-H)

I understand these three cameras meet the needs of some people, but not mine (btw I'm a wedding photog - I shoot with 1DmkIII and my wife/partner/second shooter shoots with 5DII). Come on, when I see how many wedding photogs have switched to Nikon I'm just about to do the same. I know, I know, some people are switching from Nikon to Canon, but how many?

Voila, it's friday, I'm frustrated, even frustrated twice because I invested too much money and would loose a lot if switching to Nikon.

So feel free to share your thoughts on this one.
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I'm not a pro myself, just a hobbiest. I love to shoot with nice glass and good bodies. The only cam in my personal line up that I'm missing is a FF body. I was kind of hoping for the 1ds mk IV to fill this spot; oh well. The way I see it I will use what I have as they are all great cams and wait until next year. Geeze at the price it is going to cost it gives me a chance to save up for the thing. The thing that I'm hoping for is 5 fps on the IV; we shall see.
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Hire some Nikon gear for your next wedding and then see if anyone can tell the difference in the shots.

Its sods law Canon will announce a 1Ds4 or 5DmkIII once you make the switch.
 
I think part of the problem is that digital has now matured to the point where product cycles are going to be extended. 5-10 years ago everything was advancing so quickly a camera looked obsolete after only 2 years. Everything about digital cameras improved so quickly.

Now we're at a point where more pixels is getting to be a moot point, noise performance is amazingly good even into stratospheric ISOs, 1080p video is nothing new, LCD screens can't get much bigger or sharper (and leave room for buttons). Core photographic functions have not changed much in 100+ years so...

Slower progress is the end result of a technology finally maturing. Frankly, I'm kinda glad because it reduced my impulse to upgrade :) Sorry, I'm human and can't always resist it.
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I'd like to see the 1Ds IV also. I've already sold my III.

As for this being it for 2010, that is very likely. That said, we must remember that September 24 is the 267th day of the year and that there are 98 days remaining until the end of the year.
 
can_ka_no_rey said:
Well, you know, I don't complain much here on this forum, but it's friday, at bit tired, still at work (not wanting to work) and almost heading to my home... So at least you know my state of mind.

I'm a bit disappointed about Canon. I think people (me also) were expecting much more from Photokina 2010.
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me too but so what? move on. like Redfox said Canon may annnounce something in DEc before Christmas.

maybe they dotn think Photokina as important as other makers since recently they announced Canon will focus on Chines and Indian markets.
can_ka_no_rey said:
I knew 5DIII (although secretly hoping for) wasn't for this year but hoping for some new FF camera. 1DsmkIV, 3D, 6D, whatever, but something for pros like me who have +-3500-4000$ to spent on a (semi-)pro body, not so many pixels, FF with good iso capabilities.
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no need 6d or 3D , though I want to see 1Ds 4 as soon as possible , make my mind fimly.
can_ka_no_rey said:
Damn, is it so difficult to meet people's expectations? I'm sure I'm not the only one who's waiting for a let's say "renewed" 1DsmkII. 16Mpix is just enough for me, pro (or even semi-pro like the D700) body, good AF and good iso's.
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well, as a former D700 user , I , for one , do not want such a fragile weak camera , with pop-up flash.

you just think the grass is always greener on the other side but it is not.
can_ka_no_rey said:
3 years ago when I swtiched from Pentax to Canon, I think I made the wrong choice. At that time, Canon was the "prime lens leader" and I bought 24L-35L-50L and 85L. Since, I've invested some money in other lenses ( 17L, 65MP-E, ...) and I'm very happy with these lenses, but DARN, Nikon has come up with great stuff (24 1.4 - 35 1.4 - 70-200 new version - 14-24 - ...). Right now, Nikon is on par with Canon about fast prime lenses.
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no, Nikon new primes are extremely expensive and the 85g for one still not the same level as the L2 , I returned it and sold all Nikon in last week.

and as they do not have video tech , they will fail.

no worry you wont lose your money by choosing Canon or Sony.

in fact , they are safer bet than Nikon.
can_ka_no_rey said:
Why are they only 3 camera types of choices for pros:

1) 5DII crappy AF camera
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not crappy at all, in fact , it is a bargain FF.
can_ka_no_rey said:
2) 1DsmkIII gettting old (mainly in terms of isos) and still very expensive
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will be re-designed radically.
can_ka_no_rey said:
3) 1DmkIV not for my type of photography (10fps not needed and APS-H)
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this oen is not my interest but for many press guys it is a must have item.
can_ka_no_rey said:
I understand these three cameras meet the needs of some people, but not mine (btw I'm a wedding photog - I shoot with 1DmkIII and my wife/partner/second shooter shoots with 5DII). Come on, when I see how many wedding photogs have switched to Nikon I'm just about to do the same. I know, I know, some people are switching from Nikon to Canon, but how many?
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Canon does not care about a small market but entire makert and their profit , Nikon, on the other hand , care more about pro(sports , press) market.
can_ka_no_rey said:
Voila, it's friday, I'm frustrated, even frustrated twice because I invested too much money and would loose a lot if switching to Nikon.
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oh please nothing about Nikon is really interesting , only attracts old guys with film nostalgy issue.
can_ka_no_rey said:
So feel free to share your thoughts on this one.
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Nikon will be bankrupt in 10 years ,or very small nitche like LEica.

Stay with Canon or move to Sony , much safer.
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I am on the same boat, and feel much the same.

As a professional wedding photographer there is not much you can choose from when you are a canon user.

For full frame you can only go with a prosumer 5D2 or with an extremely overpriced and currently aging 1Ds mkiii. I just wonder are there really so much more sports shooters then there are professional wedding shooters?

Why doesn't Canon want to come up with a 16-18mp affordable full frame camera that performs well under difficult and hard light conditions and does have a real pro AF.
7D autofocus is just not good enough for a FF camera.

Actually I wouldn't mind if Canon came back with a modernized 1Ds Mk ii for an affordable price. Speed is not the thing I am looking for anyway.
 
Because Canon want us to upgrade every 2 or 3 years for eternity.

In digital the perfect camera will never be a reality.That'd mean upgrading every 10 years. Like we used to do before the madness started.
Eduardo
polansky said:
Why doesn't Canon want to come up with a 16-18mp affordable full frame camera that performs well under difficult and hard light conditions and does have a real pro AF.
7D autofocus is just not good enough for a FF camera.

Actually I wouldn't mind if Canon came back with a modernized 1Ds Mk ii for an affordable price. Speed is not the thing I am looking for anyway.
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The camera makers got everyone used to the pixel-race, so now everyone expects it. Nothing sounds sexier or sells better than lots of megapixels. Unfortunately, as the old saying goes: "The masses are asses".
polansky said:
I am on the same boat, and feel much the same.

As a professional wedding photographer there is not much you can choose from when you are a canon user.

For full frame you can only go with a prosumer 5D2 or with an extremely overpriced and currently aging 1Ds mkiii. I just wonder are there really so much more sports shooters then there are professional wedding shooters?

Why doesn't Canon want to come up with a 16-18mp affordable full frame camera that performs well under difficult and hard light conditions and does have a real pro AF.
7D autofocus is just not good enough for a FF camera.

Actually I wouldn't mind if Canon came back with a modernized 1Ds Mk ii for an affordable price. Speed is not the thing I am looking for anyway.
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Too early to call yet, retail stores in Singapore , HongKong are heavily discounting their remaining stock of 1D4 so they must know something.....
 
It makes me feel better to read your messages. And indeed everybody is right (or wrong, as you want :) ).

One thing for sure pointed out by some of you is that year changes very quickly, much faster than before. Let's hope for a slowdown in the next few years (although I veru much doubt it)
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unless say you actually can make use of those extra MP, which many can....
Jay Adeff said:
The camera makers got everyone used to the pixel-race, so now everyone expects it. Nothing sounds sexier or sells better than lots of megapixels. Unfortunately, as the old saying goes: "The masses are asses".
polansky said:
I am on the same boat, and feel much the same.

As a professional wedding photographer there is not much you can choose from when you are a canon user.

For full frame you can only go with a prosumer 5D2 or with an extremely overpriced and currently aging 1Ds mkiii. I just wonder are there really so much more sports shooters then there are professional wedding shooters?

Why doesn't Canon want to come up with a 16-18mp affordable full frame camera that performs well under difficult and hard light conditions and does have a real pro AF.
7D autofocus is just not good enough for a FF camera.

Actually I wouldn't mind if Canon came back with a modernized 1Ds Mk ii for an affordable price. Speed is not the thing I am looking for anyway.
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If canon releases a 10mp iso 1,000,0000,000 cam, it won't help you. Instead of focussing on specifications, could i suggest focussing on the bride and groom? Or maybe the 5d2 AF is not good enough?
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I'm a sport photographer & I have a 5d mark II as part of the pack I own for doing my assignments. I find that the 5d autofocus to be up for the job for everything.

I shot soccer matches, F1 racing, and x games with it and the focus is always consistent and the off rate is not worse than a mark IV.
 
As far as I am concerned, the whole Photokina show was a big let-down. Sony announced a few things pre-show on the low end of their Alpha line, but Canon and Nikon stuck to consumer grade products and a few new lenses. The Sigma SD1 was the only really interesting announcement as far as my take on things. I know that 2009 was an off year for consumer photography, but the technology is out there (see for example Kodak's 120 Mpixel sensor) to turn out some really interesting pro and prosumer gear. I had hoped for an upgrade of the 5DM2 to the autofocus on the 7D and perhaps a 28 MP full-frame offering from Canon. Nikon's D7000 was somewhat interesting, but I'm just tired of seeing expensive gear that still has a 1.5 or 1.6 crop factor. If Sigma ever turns out a full-frame Foveon type sensor they could take the market by storm. Yawn, yawn, yawn.
 
Well, the technology curve for sensors and other electronics is still following Moore's Law, but at the high end you start running into so many pixels that lenses can no longer deliver increased resolution. It seems pretty clear to me that the industry wants to move to either micro 4/3rds or APS-C because the smaller format produces many more sensors from a big waffer of silicon than a 24x36mm sensor and can they can produce very high pixel counts. Of course none of our current lenses really work very well with these formats. Either they are unable to resolve details the sensors could capture or they must be used with various crop factors.
 
I agree with what you are saying - Canon really needs to plug the gap between 5d and 1dsmkiii with a semi pro FF camera - even if it goes for $3-4K.

I think what is disappointing about Canon is that we are expecting more. This is the company that brought us in-lens motors, USM, IS, DO. They had state of the art unique lenses like 50/f1, 200/1.8 which has fallen by the wayside and others like superfast 24, 35 that has been duplicated in other brands and never updated by Canon. Canon was first with fast ultrawide zoom (who can forget the old 20-35/2.8L) and has since been seriously overtaken by just about everyone.
Luckily we still have the 85/1.2 (and 50/1.2).
I really hope the new year will bring the following:
EOS 3d (16Mp FF/10fps/ISO100k+ 45pt AF/7d body)
14-24/2.8 (or better - 12-24)
200-400/4 (Canon, how about 200-500/f4 DO?)
24-70/2.8 IS
How about some unique lenses (a la Sigma) like
100-300/4L IS
500/2.8 IS DO
Or give us 20, 24, 35/1.2L lenses?
I guess we can all dream can't we.... :-) :-)
 
Canon very much want to tweak its AF system, yet let's be honest it's not in the same league as nikon's. There are two key components, one is the 1005 pixel CCD Nikon uses for metering (not imaging sensor we are talking here) since film days in their flagship models. Today they use the ccd for color tracking too so the camera actually sees the subject's feature and try to track it in the viewfinder. Second is the CCD AF sensor (again not the imaging sensor) which by nature is more sensitive in low light than CMOS. These two combined and you have a AF system that's more sensitive in low light and is intelligent to track your subject, so you are not stuck with center composition any more. this is HUGE deal.

With Canon no matter how they group the AF points or let you have fun programming them, they are 1: color blind, 2: CMOS based, so you are stuck with two choices, 1: let the camera decide what to track and pray really hard, or 2: use the center AF point only and try your best to keep up with your subject so it doesn't move away from center point, thus you are stuck with center composition (don't tell me you can track with other AF points, they are unreliable and even if you could, you are stuck with that point and still won't have freedom). And still, it's less reliable in low light (i tested this with my $500 nikon D50 and $8k 1DsII, the outcome broke my heart).

Unfortunately those are Nikon's patents and high cost components that canon can't adopt easily. Add insult to injury Nikon is putting that advanced system in its higher-end entry level bodies like the D7000, while canon's still haunted by af issue even in their topdog models.

I really enjoy using my 5DIIs for static subjects that needs a lot of pixels, but for anything that moves I use my Nikons and know that if I didn't get the shot, it's my fault not the camera's. This way I can focus on improving my skill not struggling with what-to-blame-this-time.

Max
can_ka_no_rey said:
Well, you know, I don't complain much here on this forum, but it's friday, at bit tired, still at work (not wanting to work) and almost heading to my home... So at least you know my state of mind.

I'm a bit disappointed about Canon. I think people (me also) were expecting much more from Photokina 2010.

I knew 5DIII (although secretly hoping for) wasn't for this year but hoping for some new FF camera. 1DsmkIV, 3D, 6D, whatever, but something for pros like me who have +-3500-4000$ to spent on a (semi-)pro body, not so many pixels, FF with good iso capabilities.

Damn, is it so difficult to meet people's expectations? I'm sure I'm not the only one who's waiting for a let's say "renewed" 1DsmkII. 16Mpix is just enough for me, pro (or even semi-pro like the D700) body, good AF and good iso's.

3 years ago when I swtiched from Pentax to Canon, I think I made the wrong choice. At that time, Canon was the "prime lens leader" and I bought 24L-35L-50L and 85L. Since, I've invested some money in other lenses ( 17L, 65MP-E, ...) and I'm very happy with these lenses, but DARN, Nikon has come up with great stuff (24 1.4 - 35 1.4 - 70-200 new version - 14-24 - ...). Right now, Nikon is on par with Canon about fast prime lenses.

Why are they only 3 camera types of choices for pros:

1) 5DII crappy AF camera
2) 1DsmkIII gettting old (mainly in terms of isos) and still very expensive
3) 1DmkIV not for my type of photography (10fps not needed and APS-H)

I understand these three cameras meet the needs of some people, but not mine (btw I'm a wedding photog - I shoot with 1DmkIII and my wife/partner/second shooter shoots with 5DII). Come on, when I see how many wedding photogs have switched to Nikon I'm just about to do the same. I know, I know, some people are switching from Nikon to Canon, but how many?

Voila, it's friday, I'm frustrated, even frustrated twice because I invested too much money and would loose a lot if switching to Nikon.

So feel free to share your thoughts on this one.
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Cheers,
Ed
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