DPR's comment on 60D at Photokina

From their Photokina Canon report:

"Despite the rather hostile reception it received on the dpreview forums, the EOS 60D is drawing a large crowd of curious photographers."

Well, they better tell US customers about that, 60D is running 17th among dslrs at Amazon, just like D300s and below D700, 7D, 550D and 500D. D7000 is first and 11th (body and kit), still in preorder, D3100 is 5th, D90 is 7th and 10th.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/electronics/3017941/ref=pd_ts_e_nav

Warning: rankings change hourly.
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One is pre-order the other is not and is out of stock. Plus amazon.com is never the best place to get extremely new dSLRs from. They usually end up in Best Buy stores before they become available from amazon. We'll see how these 2 are say 3 months from now. Plus d7000 has only been available for pre-order for 4 days so it's "newer".

RedFox88 said:

One is pre-order the other is not and is out of stock. Plus amazon.com is never the best place to get extremely new dSLRs from. They usually end up in Best Buy stores before they become available from amazon.

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I can attest to that - ended up cancelling my 7D pre-order at Amazon last October, found it locally in Best Buy. That I had a 10% coupon only made it that much better

Mark

I have been following the Amazon ticker for a while, out of pure curiosity (It amazes me athat a lowly considered camera in all forum, like D3000, is always among the top 2 or 3 there).

The 60D never reached the top 10. The D3100 is also out of stock but has been among top10 since day one. D7000 has been among top3 from day one.

D7000 has been a big hit everywhere, unlike any recent releases by Nikon. Actually, I think it may well become their fastest selling DSLR ever.

RedFox88 said:

One is pre-order the other is not and is out of stock. Plus amazon.com is never the best place to get extremely new dSLRs from. They usually end up in Best Buy stores before they become available from amazon. We'll see how these 2 are say 3 months from now. Plus d7000 has only been available for pre-order for 4 days so it's "newer".

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rhlpetrus said:

I have been following the Amazon ticker for a while, out of pure curiosity (It amazes me athat a lowly considered camera in all forum, like D3000, is always among the top 2 or 3 there).

The 60D never reached the top 10. The D3100 is also out of stock but has been among top10 since day one. D7000 has been among top3 from day one.

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People are buying the 60D now from local stores including Best Buy. Maybe nikon provides better, faster shipments to amazon than Canon does. Apples and oranges. I think the d7000 is nikon's "here's something really good" and gets buyers that own different cameras including entry level and advanced amateur models. Then in 6 months they update another camera that gets those same buyers again because it's added even more! They did this with the d3 and d3x by not calling the d3 the d3h which is really is. If they had called it the d3h buyers would have realized there should be a higher pixel count d3x because the d3 had the same pixel count as the d2x. By calling it the d3 they made is seem like they did away with the high speed and high pixel count variations which indeed they did not. The "something better" will be the d400 and/or d4.

I remember reading posts about people canceling amazon orders because they can buy their camera elsewhere from a store that actually has them.

RedFox88 said:

rhlpetrus said:

I have been following the Amazon ticker for a while, out of pure curiosity (It amazes me athat a lowly considered camera in all forum, like D3000, is always among the top 2 or 3 there).

The 60D never reached the top 10. The D3100 is also out of stock but has been among top10 since day one. D7000 has been among top3 from day one.

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People are buying the 60D now from local stores including Best Buy. Maybe nikon provides better, faster shipments to amazon than Canon does. Apples and oranges. I think the d7000 is nikon's "here's something really good" and gets buyers that own different cameras including entry level and advanced amateur models. Then in 6 months they update another camera that gets those same buyers again because it's added even more! They did this with the d3 and d3x by not calling the d3 the d3h which is really is. If they had called it the d3h buyers would have realized there should be a higher pixel count d3x because the d3 had the same pixel count as the d2x. By calling it the d3 they made is seem like they did away with the high speed and high pixel count variations which indeed they did not. The "something better" will be the d400 and/or d4.

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Oho! You don't think buyers/users of D3 were fooled in the way you say it, do you? The D3/D3s are the action pro cameras by Nikon, whatever name they gave them. Huge success stories, they regained a big chunk of the sports shooters to Nikon, older Nikonians that had been using Canon for action, and newer ones as well. D3x has started a diferent line of higher res cameras, it's the best pure IQ dslr, still 2 years after launch.

Why are you being so defensive about the 60D x D7000? It's clear the 60D is somewhat of a commercial flop for Canon, like the 50D was. The 7D and the 550D are huge success stories, as were D90 and D300/s for Nikon. D60 was a big flop for Nikon, and so on. Just facts. Leave the fanboyism out the door, this is not the Canon forums.

RedFox88 said:

I remember reading posts about people canceling amazon orders because they can buy their camera elsewhere from a store that actually has them.

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Valid for Canon, Nikon, Sony, etc.

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rhlpetrus said:

they regained a big chunk of the sports shooters to Nikon, older Nikonians that had been using Canon for action, and newer ones as well.

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Oh yeah? How many?

lol - I love statements that are made to sound like fact without any supporting evidence.

riveredger said:

rhlpetrus said:

they regained a big chunk of the sports shooters to Nikon, older Nikonians that had been using Canon for action, and newer ones as well.

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Oh yeah? How many?

lol - I love statements that are made to sound like fact without any supporting evidence.

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If you have followed sports events and photographers there for some time, you'd know that up to 2007 white lenses outgunned black ones more than 3x1. It's now even in most situations, in some more whites (soccer/football/baseball), in some more blacks (basketball/tennis/swimming).

Just check posts from 2008's Summer Olympics that circulated here and elsewhere. Here's one with pics saying it's about even:

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1021&message=28999979

This is a report from a USA Today shooter:

http://www.sportsshooter.com/news_story.html?id=2044

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"On the Nikon vs. Canon front... Nikon is being used by clearly over half of the photogs here. Nikon's goal of 33% of the Olympic photographers using their gear looks to have been accomplished. I haven't seen so much Nikon gear being used at a major event like this in years."

Do you have evidence on the contrary? Or that the trend has changed recently?

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rhlpetrus said:

riveredger said:

rhlpetrus said:

they regained a big chunk of the sports shooters to Nikon, older Nikonians that had been using Canon for action, and newer ones as well.

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Oh yeah? How many?

lol - I love statements that are made to sound like fact without any supporting evidence.

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If you have followed sports events and photographers there for some time, you'd know that up to 2007 white lenses outgunned black ones more than 3x1. It's now even in most situations, in some more whites (soccer/football/baseball), in some more blacks (basketball/tennis/swimming).

Just check posts from 2008's Summer Olympics that circulated here and elsewhere. Here's one with pics saying it's about even:

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1021&message=28999979

This is a report from a USA Today shooter:

http://www.sportsshooter.com/news_story.html?id=2044

Scroll down:

"On the Nikon vs. Canon front... Nikon is being used by clearly over half of the photogs here. Nikon's goal of 33% of the Olympic photographers using their gear looks to have been accomplished. I haven't seen so much Nikon gear being used at a major event like this in years."

Do you have evidence on the contrary? Or that the trend has changed recently?

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rhlpetrus said:

From their Photokina Canon report:

"Despite the rather hostile reception it received on the dpreview forums, the EOS 60D is drawing a large crowd of curious photographers."

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To which I want to ask, but how does that crowd compare to the D7000 crowd and the Fuji (ack, whatever the new one is) crowd.

Nothing wrong with the 60D. It's just that putting fru-fru frills on the camera without keeping the basics made it a downgrade for many users...I don't doubt that it draws a crowd. It doesn't draw some of us, however.

The irony of the statement, however, is that Dpreview is one of the nay-sayers on this camera. Didn't they call it a "super-rebel?"

jadot said:

rhlpetrus said:

riveredger said:

rhlpetrus said:

they regained a big chunk of the sports shooters to Nikon, older Nikonians that had been using Canon for action, and newer ones as well.

Click to expand...

Oh yeah? How many?

lol - I love statements that are made to sound like fact without any supporting evidence.

Click to expand...

If you have followed sports events and photographers there for some time, you'd know that up to 2007 white lenses outgunned black ones more than 3x1. It's now even in most situations, in some more whites (soccer/football/baseball), in some more blacks (basketball/tennis/swimming).

Just check posts from 2008's Summer Olympics that circulated here and elsewhere. Here's one with pics saying it's about even:

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1021&message=28999979

This is a report from a USA Today shooter:

http://www.sportsshooter.com/news_story.html?id=2044

Scroll down:

"On the Nikon vs. Canon front... Nikon is being used by clearly over half of the photogs here. Nikon's goal of 33% of the Olympic photographers using their gear looks to have been accomplished. I haven't seen so much Nikon gear being used at a major event like this in years."

Do you have evidence on the contrary? Or that the trend has changed recently?

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Yeah, that was some smack back!.

Photog23 said:

The irony of the statement, however, is that Dpreview is one of the nay-sayers on this camera. Didn't they call it a "super-rebel?"

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The difference is dpreview probably thinks that "super-rebel" is not "nay-saying" and actually might even be a complement.

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rhlpetrus said:

rhlpetrus wrote:
From their Photokina Canon report:

"Despite the rather hostile reception it received on the dpreview forums, the EOS 60D is drawing a large crowd of curious photographers."

Well, they better tell US customers about that, 60D is running 17th among dslrs at Amazon, just like D300s and below D700, 7D, 550D and 500D. D7000 is first and 11th (body and kit), still in preorder, D3100 is 5th, D90 is 7th and 10th.

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rhlpetrus said:

Oho! You don't think buyers/users of D3 were fooled in the way you say it, do you? The D3/D3s are the action pro cameras by Nikon, whatever name they gave them. Huge success stories, they regained a big chunk of the sports shooters to Nikon, older Nikonians that had been using Canon for action, and newer ones as well. D3x has started a diferent line of higher res cameras, it's the best pure IQ dslr, still 2 years after launch.

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Like I said, by not naming the d3 the d3h, they got d2x users to think nikon was sticking at 12MP and got the d3 that were not interested in a fast, high fps camera. Then they got them again a year later when they put out the d3x.

rhlpetrus said:

Why are you being so defensive about the 60D x D7000? It's clear the 60D is somewhat of a commercial flop for Canon, like the 50D was.

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How can you call a product that has just become available in stores a "commercial flop" compared to a camera that is only available for pre-order? You have a lot of gall. Plus there are people that will "pre-order" from more than one store to try to get a product sooner, then will cancel the other orders.

rhlpetrus said:

riveredger said:

rhlpetrus said:

they regained a big chunk of the sports shooters to Nikon, older Nikonians that had been using Canon for action, and newer ones as well.

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Oh yeah? How many?

lol - I love statements that are made to sound like fact without any supporting evidence.

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In the U.S., one of the biggest sports for photography is football. When photographers are shown on TV, it seems that it's about 2:1 white lenses to black. And some photographers that have a black lens will have another camera with a white lens (Canon) and a 2nd body with a shorter lens. Which isn't bad because before the d3 wasn't is 9:1 Canon to nikon (which is not 2:1 Canon to nikon)