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the long zoom EXR family shoot out ...
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patchotoole
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I appreciate your efforts in all this. I was heading for a mental breakdown with the complications of the F80EXR when I first got it but your recommended settings saved my sanity.
In fact after reading about the possibility of SN mode in the F300 being possibly better than P mode I had a stab at some tests on the F80. Mother of god the difficulty in getting a clear cut answer, which perhaps in itself is the answer; that there isn't a difference. In any case thanks.
In fact after reading about the possibility of SN mode in the F300 being possibly better than P mode I had a stab at some tests on the F80. Mother of god the difficulty in getting a clear cut answer, which perhaps in itself is the answer; that there isn't a difference. In any case thanks.
I still have trouble replacing it.
S90/S95 seems good alternative but to for that price.
These Fuji are the only option at the moment
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S90/S95 seems good alternative but to for that price.
These Fuji are the only option at the moment
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arguros
Have a look at my personal blog and let me know your thoughts
http://argurosblog.blogspot.com/
Thanks for doing this work and posting. I've been waiting for this.
I also see the usual snipers have taken their usual positions under bridges and rocks in an attempt to distract, distort and censor by baiting - and ultimately - maxing out this thread prematurely.
I also see the usual snipers have taken their usual positions under bridges and rocks in an attempt to distract, distort and censor by baiting - and ultimately - maxing out this thread prematurely.
Kim Letkeman
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Yes, exactly ... for those who shoot below 1600 ISO, the three cams are very similar. Still a bit cleaner from the F70, but close enough.
Above that, it requires more PP effort to shoot the 12mp sensors ...
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Kim Letkeman
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Thanks ...
Yeah ... SN makes not enough difference to be worth giving up higher DR settings ...
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Kim Letkeman
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I'm working a D300 / D700 ISO ladder right now ... I'll try to shoot the F11 against the F300 later one ...
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Kim Letkeman
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Yes, my secret weapon is to stop responding to the one who wants just to argue and the two who have been picking fights since we all got back from our vacations
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Prognathous
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Thanks for posting the full size (SN mode?) images.
I'm afraid it's not possible to decide between the F70 and F300 images, because the former was used at higher magnification, helping it resolve more details. This is evident by the tighter crop of the F70 shot, where some part of the dollar bill is outside the frame.
The fact that your F300 lens suffers from de-centering doesn't help either. I hope dpreview.com and imaging-resource.com get a better copy of this camera, as I'm really curious to see how it fares against previous models when all parameters are strictly controlled.
Still, not a bad effort, even if I disagree with some of your findings. My own F31 vs. F100 comparison* suffers from similar methodological problems, so I really can't expect perfection. Such comparisons are useful for ballpark estimation of IQ differences between cameras (e.g. the F80 is clearly sub-par), but results from professional review sites are obviously more useful when cameras are more closely matched.
* – http://imapnet.com/boren/F31vsF100
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I'm afraid it's not possible to decide between the F70 and F300 images, because the former was used at higher magnification, helping it resolve more details. This is evident by the tighter crop of the F70 shot, where some part of the dollar bill is outside the frame.
The fact that your F300 lens suffers from de-centering doesn't help either. I hope dpreview.com and imaging-resource.com get a better copy of this camera, as I'm really curious to see how it fares against previous models when all parameters are strictly controlled.
Still, not a bad effort, even if I disagree with some of your findings. My own F31 vs. F100 comparison* suffers from similar methodological problems, so I really can't expect perfection. Such comparisons are useful for ballpark estimation of IQ differences between cameras (e.g. the F80 is clearly sub-par), but results from professional review sites are obviously more useful when cameras are more closely matched.
* – http://imapnet.com/boren/F31vsF100
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Kim Letkeman
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The images are shot at my settings unless otherwise stated. My settings are defined in the "how to shoot" post on my blog.
I'm afraid that your constant whining about the variables that cannot be controlled is limiting my ability to take your seriously.
The two magnifications were 9mm and 8.7mm. There was no combinations of zoom from the same location that could match better and the difference is a tiny percentage of detail. Much, much smaller than the differences introduced by the number of pixels on the sensor
There is no way to strictly control the parameters to the extent you would like ... try it yourself.
And regarding my decentering ... I don't see that. And you have not shown me what tells you my lens is decentered.
Being patronized is near the top of my favorite things list.
Your disagreement is based upon the fantasy that these cams can be controlled like a dSLR. They cannot. I got as close as was possible and it is more than close enough for valid results.
You are picky for picky's sake and you like to argue.
But you can patronize people anyway.
Professional sites make a hash of tests like these ... these crops are an accurate estimate of the best that these three cameras can do in low light. Nothing I have seen from imaging resource, scresource or dpreview has come close to this level of insight.
But thank you for your condescension.
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Danielepaolo
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What use is it to you anyway Paul? You can't even click through to get the originals. A lab monkey could do better.
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PAUL TILL
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Yes I quite agree a lab monkey could do these tests far better than they have been done.
Paul.
PAUL TILL
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Hey Kim are you looking into a mirror?The images are shot at my settings unless otherwise stated. My settings are defined in the "how to shoot" post on my blog.
I'm afraid that your constant whining about the variables that cannot be controlled is limiting my ability to take your seriously.
The two magnifications were 9mm and 8.7mm. There was no combinations of zoom from the same location that could match better and the difference is a tiny percentage of detail. Much, much smaller than the differences introduced by the number of pixels on the sensor
There is no way to strictly control the parameters to the extent you would like ... try it yourself.
And regarding my decentering ... I don't see that. And you have not shown me what tells you my lens is decentered.
Being patronized is near the top of my favorite things list.
Your disagreement is based upon the fantasy that these cams can be controlled like a dSLR. They cannot. I got as close as was possible and it is more than close enough for valid results.
You are picky for picky's sake and you like to argue.
But you can patronize people anyway.
Professional sites make a hash of tests like these ... these crops are an accurate estimate of the best that these three cameras can do in low light. Nothing I have seen from imaging resource, scresource or dpreview has come close to this level of insight.
But thank you for your condescension.
Paul.
Nice tests Kim, the F300, F70 and F80 look to be so close in their isos/details that it's not worth anyone fretting about. IMO, if were that picky, just get a D3
The only thing that made my eyes widen was the PF in the top of the forest shot, wow looks like spilled purple paint all over the sky and trees, I guess this isn't a landscape camera eh?
Eeek....
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The only thing that made my eyes widen was the PF in the top of the forest shot, wow looks like spilled purple paint all over the sky and trees, I guess this isn't a landscape camera eh?
Eeek....
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Thanks also for that, I too shoot mainly at the wide end. From your earlier comment would I be right in deducing that the new A/F feature is fast but not quite DSLR performance?
Thanks again for clinical comparisons,
Nick
Danielepaolo
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Apart from clearing Kim from the FTF do you hace anyother reason for being on the forum?
In your mind you are doing us a service, correct?
Do you understand or care how bad you look?
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In your mind you are doing us a service, correct?
Do you understand or care how bad you look?
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Apologies if my lack of photographic knowledge is catching.
Kim Letkeman
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Hard to say what this AF is like ... seems fast, but does not stun me next to the F70 and F80 ... seems to have its share of errors too ...
I will have to craft a test specifically for AF to see if I can figure out how reliable and fast it is next to the others ...
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