Mirrorless DSLR?

Bobbert said:

Two overlooked aspects are mirror slap, and mirror blackout. Dunno if we can elimininate the blackout entirely in EVIL cameras, (someone who knows, pleas chime in) losing the mirror slap at lower shutter speeds means a better low light capability. One less moving part to cause camera shake

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Last weekend I was shooting in the Dallas Museum of Art with my little Pen E-PL1 and Panasonic 20mm f1.7 and the lack of noise from no mirror slap was a significant improvement. The noise generated was much, much less than it would have been had I been shooting with my E30.

Finder blackout is an entirely different deal. With a DSLR, the blackout is a non-event when shooting at normal shutter speeds. It's like blinking your eyes. If you can blink your eyes and follow movement you can shoot action with a DSLR. The freezing/blackout you get with electronic finders is way, way worse and is, to me, the biggest obstacle to making the electronic finder a legitimate option for shooting action. That same VF-2 that was so good in the Dallas Museum of Art was a royal PITA when I tried using the E-PL1 recently at a major league baseball game. I was just trying it for fun, but no more attempts at sports for me with micro 4/3rd's as the technolgy currently sits.

One of the sweet things about the C8080's EVF was Live Histogram. This feature gave a visual indication of where the highlights were blowing out and where the shadows were blocking up all overlayed in the viewfinder. This made it easy to dial in an exposure compensation without taking the eye away from the viewfinder. I do not know if it has be implemented on any other EVF cameras but it was very very useful.

illy said:

and please don't misquote me it's miseading

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Sorry, you asked for it with the "will always be" part. Your "always" covers the next few years at best.

And by "few" I don't mean more than a handful. After that - maybe a FF Canikon OVF will be still better. Certainly not anything from the current Oly range, no matter how much money they put in it (which they are not putting anyway).

Il will be very difficult for an EVF to match a 25 years old OM4 or 30 years old Contax RTS viewfinder. It will be pretty easy to match the one from a 12 months old E-6xx though. A bit more difficult to match the one from the E-3, but still not that far away in the future.

goblin said:

illy said:

and please don't misquote me it's miseading

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Sorry, you asked for it with the "will always be" part. Your "always" covers the next few years at best. And I'm a baboons red @rse

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...at least I believe that is what they are trying to achieve.

Today, you cannot really see what your settings have given you until you try to review them on the LCD or take them home and hope you got the shot you wanted or spend time in post.

I assume, that the vision for mirrorless is to some day and some point, the ability to see in real-time what your exposure will be and to also apply filters and other items directly to the image you see on the view finder.

There are some other benefits as smaller cameras and silent shutter and perhaps smaller lenses but the real test is if we can get WYSIWYG Photography

Anyway, that is what I believe they are eventually trying to do.

No need for mirror lock-up function, named anti shock at Olympus, so no vibrations-sharper picture. And no need of pentaprism, that makes huge spared place for lot of hardware. So i dont doubt You can be fast triggered on them because CPU units will make benefit.

Now imagine what would FF camera become, half size, so it becomes like Olmypus, good for traveling.

110 years ago Thomas Edison was laughing to Nikola Tesla as he wanted to push with invented alternating current. Edison says NO, direct is only good. Nowdays we see.

I even think Canikon will go Olympus step. Sooner or later.