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This is just stupid. People are saying that the new 60D is just a 550D upgrade. I mean are these guys blind? Everybody can (should) see that 60D is closer to 7D than 550D. Or is everybody just reading the specs and forgetting to SEE the difference?

Look at these:

60D compared to 7D



60D compared to 550D



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To me it looks like there is a BIG difference that separates them. I think its really easy to see that 550D is an entry level and 60 is not.

550D is more like PowerShot S5 or something.
 
As you so well point out, the 60D shares physical similarities with the 7D. Most folks are disappointed because they expected improvements over the 50D with features approaching or even exceeding the 7D. It was obvious to those with high expectations that Canon had deliberately cheapened the xxD product line, no MA and a plastic body instead of magnesium.. So although the model looks similar to a 7D, it was a disappointment to some. Regardless, the 60D appears to be an excellent design with consideration to those looking for good value in a moderately priced package. It will well serve those who want an improvement from the Rebel line.
 
I've had many of the XXd models from the 20d to the 50d (and all in between), along with several rebels and an original 5d. I now have a 7d and love it. The thing I don't get is why everyone is so stuck on plastic bodies. I didn't ever have an issue with the rebels because they were plastic, my main issue was that they were too small and made my fingers feel like they were cramping up after shooting for a bit. The plastic body itself proved to be very durable and possibly more so than the Magnesium bodies.

As someone who works as a professional photographer, I have taken all these cameras to the extremes with occasional reckless abandon. My rebels hit the concrete from 3-4 feet off the ground a couple times, never affecting them at all. The only one I ever had issue with happened to have the door come open during the fall and break off. Last I checked, the doors on the metal bodies are also the same material and logically would have also broken off, possibly bending the body at the same time.

The 40d and 50d in my personal experience were the worst of the xxd cameras produced and if the 60d is anything like the 7d, it will be a great camera. So much has changed, for better or worse, that it won't be a minor adjustment to the 50d, but rather a complete reset for the lineage. IMHO, the xxd line needed just that kind of reset. With the 7d and 60d, there are now more options at more price points. I'd love to see a similar approach taken to the 5d with a plastic bodied full frame similar to the 60d priced maybe around the same as a 7d. As long as the bodies don't shrink, I'm not going to complain about the plastic. With the rubber grips/pads on, I don't suspect you'll even be able to tell much difference.
 
As you so well point out, the 60D shares physical similarities with the 7D. Most folks are disappointed because they expected improvements over the 50D with features approaching or even exceeding the 7D. It was obvious to those with high expectations that Canon had deliberately cheapened the xxD product line, no MA and a plastic body instead of magnesium.. So although the model looks similar to a 7D, it was a disappointment to some.
Yeah, Canon is not stupid. Canon is a profit making company. They already gave 50D upgrade and its name is 7D. How many xxD users went to 7D in past year? I bet it was many. ... now, how many of them are gonna go to 7D now when 60D wasnt a 50D upgrade? err... is it gonna be MANY ?.
Regardless, the 60D appears to be an excellent design with consideration to those looking for good value in a moderately priced package. It will well serve those who want an improvement from the Rebel line.
Exactly, and i am one of those people :D
 
I've had many of the XXd models from the 20d to the 50d (and all in between), along with several rebels and an original 5d. I now have a 7d and love it. The thing I don't get is why everyone is so stuck on plastic bodies. I didn't ever have an issue with the rebels because they were plastic, my main issue was that they were too small and made my fingers feel like they were cramping up after shooting for a bit. The plastic body itself proved to be very durable and possibly more so than the Magnesium bodies.

As someone who works as a professional photographer, I have taken all these cameras to the extremes with occasional reckless abandon. My rebels hit the concrete from 3-4 feet off the ground a couple times, never affecting them at all. The only one I ever had issue with happened to have the door come open during the fall and break off. Last I checked, the doors on the metal bodies are also the same material and logically would have also broken off, possibly bending the body at the same time.

The 40d and 50d in my personal experience were the worst of the xxd cameras produced and if the 60d is anything like the 7d, it will be a great camera. So much has changed, for better or worse, that it won't be a minor adjustment to the 50d, but rather a complete reset for the lineage. IMHO, the xxd line needed just that kind of reset. With the 7d and 60d, there are now more options at more price points. I'd love to see a similar approach taken to the 5d with a plastic bodied full frame similar to the 60d priced maybe around the same as a 7d. As long as the bodies don't shrink, I'm not going to complain about the plastic. With the rubber grips/pads on, I don't suspect you'll even be able to tell much difference.
Finally someone more experienced (than me) who agrees with me. Thank you!
 
I have been following the discussions as I am interested in the 60D.

It seems that almost all the complaints are about the lack of microfocus adjustment. There isn't that much talk about the non-magnesium body or the frame rate.

The complainers don't consider the 60D an update/upgrade of the 50D because it does not have MA. And the same people don't want to spend the money for the 7D.

Canon has repositioned its offerings a bit to make a clearer difference between the different product lines. The 50D has features too close to the 7D to make it clear that the 7D was not the successor of the 50D. The 60D puts the xxD line at a clearly lower level than the 7D and people were hoping for a 7D plus articulated screen and minus one processor and are now unhappy this hasn't happened.

The 60D is an interesting new offering, and it was never to be expected that a significant number of 50D buyers would jump on just one newer generation as most people use their camera for longer before they move up.

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I think what people mean is that the 60D is the new path for 550D owners to upgrade, rather than the 60D being the 550D upgrade in the way that no small rebel sized cameras will ever be made again.
I dont feel this camera will be the logical upgrade for previous 40/50D users.
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I actually wrote Canon about it and they said the new 60D is considered a upgrade from the Rebels and the 7D is an upgrade from the 50D and below XXD cameras.

The big question now is will the T2i line end? Where can it possibly go? Or will it be dropped at some point in favor of the 60D, just as the 50D has been dropped in favor of the 7D? Will it be downgraded?

I see this whole thing as a huge price increase strategy. As long as Nikon doesn't go along with it, it won't work.
 
I actually wrote Canon about it and they said the new 60D is considered a upgrade from the Rebels and the 7D is an upgrade from the 50D and below XXD cameras.
It is interesting that Canon acknowledges the fork in the road change to their product naming conventions.
The big question now is will the T2i line end? Where can it possibly go? Or will it be dropped at some point in favor of the 60D, just as the 50D has been dropped in favor of the 7D? Will it be downgraded?
The Rebel line is simply a DSLR entry line. Lots of value for the features with enough deficiencies to provide a justification for an upgrade.
I see this whole thing as a huge price increase strategy. As long as Nikon doesn't go along with it, it won't work.
Perhaps it is simply a price increase strategy. Or perhaps Canon also knows that the DSLR market is simply a consumer fad driven bubble which will burst in the near future. Who really wants to lug around a big fat-n-ugly camera with a huge honkin lens that screams of "look at me", when an ultra slim-n-cool camera can yield results that rival the DSLR?
 
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It is very clear that the 60d is made for the mid range. It is a good camera, my wife loves her's, her one and only complaint about the 20d is her hands are small. For her, holding the camera was painful after awhile. The 60d offers 90% of the features of the 7d, but not the size. It is clearly made as a upgrade to the rebel line and should be taken as such. The 7d is the upgrade line for the 50d's and lower.

There will always be a problem that some people can not understand, technology will march on. Sooner or later technology wil create a camera as with all the features and value of the 7d in a smaller body, in fact you can probably find it in the next 60d upgrade.

Now about the point and shoot comment. It depends on the shooter. PandS by default can not capture better pictures then a dslr. Both are tools, if you use both of them as hammers, then you will get the same results. If you point and shoot with an dslr you will get pictures that look like a point and shoot camera took them. If you use both tools as they where meant to be used, then it is no contest.

For the 1,000's of soccer dad's/mom's, it is a gimmick and fad that will go away, sorry nikon, you are barking up the wrong tree. For the people that view photograph has an extension of themselves. You can never compare.

My personal opinion is the 60d needs to be moved to the rebel forum, given it lack of features carried over from the previous models and body size.

It is not a judgment on the camera, but it is clear that those people that like the rebel series will like the 60d better. Those that like the 5d mark II will prefer the 7d.

It doe not eve support multi flash, with out that, you are seriously talking about non-prosumer. But it really is designed to make the step from a 800 dollar camera to a 2,300 dollar camera more bearable.
 
Which is actually a logical upgrade from the 50D at the same price point....

Canon abandoned the 50D price point. Who knows what that will do to their sales.
 
It doe not eve support multi flash, with out that, you are seriously talking about non-prosumer.
Not sure what you mean by that, but I opened EOS 60D Instruction Manual on page 143 and read:
  • Fully-automatic Shooting with Multiple External Speedlites
  • Using multiple slave Speedlites as one flash unit
  • Multiple slave units in multiple groups
and so on.
 
It exactly has an EOS DNA with dual control dials.

60D lacks some features 50D has. But in turn it adds some other features. It doesn't look worse than 50D. It's simply a bit different.

7D is more feature rich than 60D. 7D will be a better performer in some special/serious cases. But its price is also higher. No surprises.
 
Which is actually a logical upgrade from the 50D at the same price point....
You are one obsessed guy - so please go to the Nikon forum and start bitching there that the D7000 (which still is vapor ware) doesn't have a focusing motor for the lenses you can afford after having made the switch from Canon...
Canon abandoned the 50D price point.
Yes, they offer a more capable camera for less money...
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Maybe I am totally missing the point, but could you please post exactly what they said? The reason I ask is that maybe I am misreading your comment but I don't see a problem.

You seem to be implying that the canon rep said the 60D is not a step up from the 50D but is infact a step back, correct? But depending on how you look at things is shouldn't be an "upgrade" of the 50D, because it is an "update" of the X0D line. Could that be what the canon guy you e-mailed was referring to?

If you look a it that way then it makes sense what the guy was saying. The X0D line is an upgrade from the rebels, while the 7D is an upgrade from the X0D line. The 60D would not therefore be a "upgrade'on the 50D because it is a continuation of the same line. Just like I would not be "upgrading" if I went from a 2009 Honda civic to a 2010 civic, I would just be updating. But if I move up to an accord then I am upgrading?

Could this be what the canon guy you wrote to was saying? It just sounds very weird that a canon rep would say, "oh-yhea our new model is definately a step back from the old"

Cheers Mike
I actually wrote Canon about it and they said the new 60D is considered a upgrade from the Rebels and the 7D is an upgrade from the 50D and below XXD cameras.

The big question now is will the T2i line end? Where can it possibly go? Or will it be dropped at some point in favor of the 60D, just as the 50D has been dropped in favor of the 7D? Will it be downgraded?

I see this whole thing as a huge price increase strategy. As long as Nikon doesn't go along with it, it won't work.
 
This is just stupid. People are saying that the new 60D is just a 550D upgrade. I mean are these guys blind? Everybody can (should) see that 60D is closer to 7D than 550D. Or is everybody just reading the specs and forgetting to SEE the difference?
Wait until you get your new expensive telephoto lens that front focuses consistently with your body, regardless of whether it is the lens or the body fault. You will never be able to use it wide open. You will be equally helpless with the 60D and any Rebel, while with the 7D and the 50D, you would be able to do something.
 
This is just stupid. People are saying that the new 60D is just a 550D upgrade. I mean are these guys blind? Everybody can (should) see that 60D is closer to 7D than 550D. Or is everybody just reading the specs and forgetting to SEE the difference?
Wait until you get your new expensive telephoto lens that front focuses consistently with your body, regardless of whether it is the lens or the body fault. You will never be able to use it wide open. You will be equally helpless with the 60D and any Rebel, while with the 7D and the 50D, you would be able to do something.
Total Garbage statement.

If you buy a lens that front focuses, just send it into Canon for free of charge calibration and have it done properly.

MFA is just a temporary kludge - it was never designed for permanent usage and it doesn't have the ability to properly calibrate a lens.

If you are a pro who cannot afford the downtime, then you would never have bought the 50D or 550D anyway.

MFA is simply not required on a consumer / semi-pro camera.
 
Although i would love to have microadjustment (MA) myself (30D owner), i'd guess that the reason for leaving the MA to the xD series is because they get more grief from xxD customers having messed up MA than they did on lens calibration earlier. Thus removing this feature from the xxD might turn out to be a more profitable solution- As more and more (less educated/trained) photographers seems to be willing to pay for a step up from the entry level dslr, leaving the microadjustment with the proffesional lineup ensures that those buying this feature to a higher degree is dedicated and educated well enough to use it.

-Yngve
This is just stupid. People are saying that the new 60D is just a 550D upgrade. I mean are these guys blind? Everybody can (should) see that 60D is closer to 7D than 550D. Or is everybody just reading the specs and forgetting to SEE the difference?
Wait until you get your new expensive telephoto lens that front focuses consistently with your body, regardless of whether it is the lens or the body fault. You will never be able to use it wide open. You will be equally helpless with the 60D and any Rebel, while with the 7D and the 50D, you would be able to do something.
 

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