choice between "canon 450D" and "pentax k-x"

Draeknai · Sep 9, 2010

Hi,

currently i have the choice to choose between canon 450D and Pentax k-x, which camera should i go for?

From what i found and collect from the internet, i feel that canon 450D is superior than pentax k-x in shooting portrait ... while pentax is better in terms of shooting night scene, low-light

this is just my thoughts that i came out from my own research these few days, please point me out if i am wrong =) which camera u guys think i should go for?

A Schamber · Sep 9, 2010

Lenses are the ones that give the difference in shooting portraits. Not cameras.

The Kx is a great camera, and much better built than the 450D.
I'd point to the new K-r, but the K-x is a really capable camera.
--
Alan Schamber

Progress is not possible without deviation from the norm - Frank Zappa

Draeknai · Sep 9, 2010

i never use a DSLR before... i just wondering, can we use canon's lens on pentax? or pentax lens on canon camera??

does pentax produce their own lens or they use Tamron and sigma's lens only?

Ishpuini · Sep 9, 2010

Draeknai said:
From what i found and collect from the internet, i feel that canon 450D is superior than pentax k-x in shooting portrait ... while pentax is better in terms of shooting night scene, low-light

Whereas the K-x is better in terms of high ISO (which is measurable), that's just part of low light photography. For the rest the differences in shooting specific subject matter as mostly down the individual photographer or possibly the lens used. Esp for shooting portrait I would assume that much. You may find that some argue that Pentax has more natural skin tones, but again that depends on the JPG settings you configure in the camera or apply to your post processing.

Draeknai said:
this is just my thoughts that i came out from my own research these few days, please point me out if i am wrong =) which camera u guys think i should go for?

If you consider Pentax, you might wait a short while and opt for the K-r that was announced today.

Wim

--
Belgium, GMT+1

Draeknai · Sep 9, 2010

hmn, K-r seems to be quite good as well, but still K-x should be slightly cheaper, i can get it for $700 aussie dollars and it will be in pink =) i am a 21-year old girl so the color of the camera does take into consideration ...

photosen · Sep 9, 2010

Others can point out the use of Canon lenses on Pentax and viceversa... In general if you can, you lose autofocus, so you're usually "stuck" with each brand's lenses, which is the second reason why people will tell you to choose lenses first, camera second. The first reason being which focal length you use most; if you're not sure you can either go with the standard kit zooms (18-55) to experiment or try a fixed focal length (called a prime) lens; Pentax just released the 35mm 2.4 which might be very good and not very expensive, and gives you an approximate "human eyes" view.

Pentax does make their own lenses and they have a good reputation. In addition other brands such as Sigma and Tamron produce lenses for each brand, including Canon, Nikon and Pentax.

I'm a happy Canon user but the Pentax K-x seems to offer a lot of bang for the buck...

Draeknai said:
i never use a DSLR before... i just wondering, can we use canon's lens on pentax? or pentax lens on canon camera??

does pentax produce their own lens or they use Tamron and sigma's lens only?

CANIKONTAXIAN · Sep 9, 2010

I suggest you include Canon T2i if you consider the newly announced K-r.

Both are $799.

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/675617-REG/Canon_4462B001_Canon_EOS_Rebel_T2i.html

Canon offers a full frame upgrade path, Pentax does not.

Canon makes products to allow a photograher to grow and build their system.

While Pentax offers endless rumors of products that never materialize.

10 years, no full frame Pentax exists yet even though they annouced it as coming soon.
10 years to me is not "soon".

Pentax is King of colored plastic cameras, you just need to buy from Japan to get this selection of color if this matters the most to you? The new all plastic lens is available in numerous colors, again only in Japan. I suspect in the coming years Pentax will retreat from the world and only do business in Japan. Which is odd as nothing they make comes from Japan thesedays.

When asked, would I choose Pentax again?

After 8 years I can safely say "No"

I wish I could get a do over and have skipped Pentax entirely.

Ishpuini · Sep 9, 2010

Draeknai said:
hmn, K-r seems to be quite good as well, but still K-x should be slightly cheaper, i can get it for $700 aussie dollars and it will be in pink =) i am a 21-year old girl so the color of the camera does take into consideration ...

If you want it pink, then get the new DA-L 35/2.4 lens as well. It will be available in pink too... ;-) Though that might be for Japan only:
http://www.camera-pentax.jp/k-r/simulator.php

35mm is a very nice standard fixed focal length. This means no zoom, just one field-of-view. This may sound limiting, but trying to photograph all possible subjects with one focal length is actually one of the best ways to learn to look for a good photographic angle and learn composition.

Wim

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Belgium, GMT+1

Alex Sarbu · Sep 9, 2010

CANIKONTAXIAN said:
I suggest you include Canon T2i if you consider the newly announced K-r.

Both are $799.

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/675617-REG/Canon_4462B001_Canon_EOS_Rebel_T2i.html

Canon offers a full frame upgrade path, Pentax does not.

True, Pentax currently don't have a "full frame" thingie. They have a much more expensive (and better, if we're talking about image quality) medium format solution - the 645D. Out of the reach for most of us...

CANIKONTAXIAN said:
Canon makes products to allow a photograher to grow and build their system.

How many photographers would outgrow Pentax? If we'll absolutely need a "full frame" thingie, why is the "FF" market share so small?

CANIKONTAXIAN said:
While Pentax offers endless rumors of products that never materialize.

That's a lie .

CANIKONTAXIAN said:
10 years, no full frame Pentax exists yet even though they annouced it as coming soon.
10 years to me is not "soon".

Don't tell me, you chose Pentax based on that MZ-S prototype...

CANIKONTAXIAN said:
Pentax is King of colored plastic cameras, you just need to buy from Japan to get this selection of color if this matters the most to you? The new all plastic lens is available in numerous colors, again only in Japan. I suspect in the coming years Pentax will retreat from the world and only do business in Japan. Which is odd as nothing they make comes from Japan thesedays.

Spreading FUD, eh? Have you trained hard, for this Photokina edition?

CANIKONTAXIAN said:
When asked, would I choose Pentax again?

After 8 years I can safely say "No"

I wish I could get a do over and have skipped Pentax entirely.

And probably we'll have to hear about this over and over again, so no one else would repeat your "mistake"...

Alex S

pandalee · Sep 9, 2010

I had both and now gave both to my sister but I some times still borrow my Kx from her but I never even bother to think using the 450D.

I hated the 450D and all other rebels , they are built cheaply and they dont have inbody IS and their high ISO is not as good as the Kx.

And for this kind of a compact body , IMO, Pentax lens line fit better(with these excellent limited primes) than that of Canon.

For me now , for paid work or portait landscape ,etc , I use Nikon but anything else hiking , trecking or street work , I do use my Kx and K7.

Draeknai said:
Hi,

currently i have the choice to choose between canon 450D and Pentax k-x, which camera should i go for?

From what i found and collect from the internet, i feel that canon 450D is superior than pentax k-x in shooting portrait ... while pentax is better in terms of shooting night scene, low-light

this is just my thoughts that i came out from my own research these few days, please point me out if i am wrong =) which camera u guys think i should go for?

Draeknai · Sep 9, 2010

wow thanks a lot ^^ they are so cute... just wondering if Aussie will stock in those lens... perhaps i need to buy it from ebay, but anyway.

i think the K-x is pretty expensive for me as a beginner, maybe i will not consider to upgrade it to K-r , not too convinced that why i should get k-r... i learn stuff pretty slow so i might not outgrow it anytime soon T.T haha~

i like to take portrait and wildlife.... and maybe video, guess K-x is better in terms of overall performance as canon 450 doesnt have video....

Alex Sarbu · Sep 9, 2010

Alex Sarbu said:
Don't tell me, you chose Pentax based on that MZ-S prototype...

Of course, that's the "MZ-D". Or, MZ-S-based DSLR prototype.

Alex S.

Draeknai · Sep 9, 2010

wow, which nikon u using?

i love portraits... but i oso love wildlife shooting, with pentax issit nice to shoot fast object? like.... sports, birds, kids, bees.... sorry for these funny question, but i saw some people post amazing pictures with flying birds and bee-on-flower, and nice portraits.

do u have a photo gallery shot by pentax k-x, canon 450 , and ur current nikon that i can refer to?

thanks everyone !! u guys are so helpful ^^

gkreth · Sep 9, 2010

Draeknai said:
i love portraits... but i oso love wildlife shooting, with pentax issit nice to shoot fast object? like.... sports, birds, kids, bees.... sorry for these funny question, but i saw some people post amazing pictures with flying birds and bee-on-flower, and nice portraits.

do u have a photo gallery shot by pentax k-x, canon 450 , and ur current nikon that i can refer to?

I have the K-x, and I find it's AF, with the DA 55-300 lens, fast enough to keep up with outside sports, e.g., my nine-year-old playing soccer.

Since you mention sports and wildlife... If you decide to get the K-x (and I think that's the best bang for the buck right now), I'd recommend getting the K-X with the two-lens kit, the 18-55 and the 55-300 lens.

Right now, B&H is selling this kit for an amazing $628 USD:

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/651673-REG/Pentax_15801_K_x_Digital_SLR_with.html

(You have to add it to your cart to see the price.)

Note : B&H is closed right now for Rosh Hashanah, so you won't be ab;e to order (well, you can order, but your order won't be processed) until tomorrow (Saturday).

Also, B&H is shipping this free in the U.S., but I don't know what if any shipping charges there might be to Australia.

But, $628 for that camera, plus those two lenses, is pretty much an unbeatable deal.

HTH,

Greg

timo · Sep 9, 2010

CANIKONTAXIAN said:
10 years, no full frame Pentax exists yet even though they annouced it as coming soon.

Well, I'm sure you must be right but can you share with us the details of this announcement? I must have missed it somehow.

CANIKONTAXIAN said:
When asked, would I choose Pentax again?

After 8 years I can safely say "No"

I wish I could get a do over and have skipped Pentax entirely.

We're in agreement on that, at least. I wish you had too.
--
tim
http://www.pbase.com/timotheus

Draeknai · Sep 9, 2010

wow that s a great deal!!!

but the thing is that i am in Australia, everything is so far away from australia T.T i think i am stuck with the price in Aussie .... if i order it, Aussie immi might tax me, +10% tax +mailing cost, i think i will still end up getting the same price as Aussie camera shop :S

mrdc76 · Sep 9, 2010

Draeknai said:
i love portraits... but i oso love wildlife shooting, with pentax issit nice to shoot fast object? like.... sports, birds, kids, bees.... sorry for these funny question, but i saw some people post amazing pictures with flying birds and bee-on-flower, and nice portraits.

Pentax is not exactly the choice number one for wildlife or fast moving object shooting (unless the SAFOX IX introduced in K-r improves things dramatically). Canon offers far better lens selection for this type of photography. Small fixed focal length lenses are Pentax speciality.

--
Mikko

Draeknai · Sep 9, 2010

mrdc76 said:
Draeknai said:

i love portraits... but i oso love wildlife shooting, with pentax issit nice to shoot fast object? like.... sports, birds, kids, bees.... sorry for these funny question, but i saw some people post amazing pictures with flying birds and bee-on-flower, and nice portraits.

Click to expand...

Pentax is not exactly the choice number one for wildlife or fast moving object shooting (unless the SAFOX IX introduced in K-r improves things dramatically). Canon offers far better lens selection for this type of photography. Small fixed focal length lenses are Pentax speciality.

so u recommend canon 450D in this case? or is there any brand that u think is great for wildlife and fast moving object? like nikon.... olympus ? thanks for helping me

mrdc76 said:
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Mikko

007peter · Sep 9, 2010

I am a Canon XSi owner - I love this little camera - but if I we're in the market today, I buy the Pentax K-x over XSi for these 4 reasons

Pentax has bigger Optical Viewfinder, joy to use
Pentax has cleaner, less noisy iso1600
Pentax has iso 3200, iso6400 that is missing from Canon XSi
Pentax has build in Body stabilization

My biggest gripe against my lovely XSi is the lack of iso3200 and above. Iso1600 is very limiting: it makes using slower aperture lens (like f/5.6 superzoom) difficult for indoor setting. For example, even with fast lens of f/2.8 @iso1600, my shutter speed is barely adequate at 1/6 - 1/10s. Having iso3200 would double my shutter-speed to 1/12 - 1/20s and increase my keeper rate in low light situation.

However, I don't like the over-inflated pentax lens price lately. Pentax lens used to be a bargain, not any more. Pentax 50mm f/1.4 use to be a bargain around $245, now its almost double to $500.

Once I add up all the cost of buying the pentax lens.....I give up and stay with canons.

Hoya/Pentax is following the great Razor/Shaver strategy: sell razor cheaply but charge a high premium on replacement blades

A Schamber said:
Lenses are the ones that give the difference in shooting portraits. Not cameras.

The Kx is a great camera, and much better built than the 450D.
I'd point to the new K-r, but the K-x is a really capable camera.
--
Alan Schamber

Progress is not possible without deviation from the norm - Frank Zappa

mrdc76 · Sep 9, 2010

Draeknai said:
so u recommend canon 450D in this case? or is there any brand that u think is great for wildlife and fast moving object? like nikon.... olympus ? thanks for helping me

Canon and Nikon (respectively) rule this type of photography due to their lens selection and fast autofocus systems (like I said, the AF module in the K-r might be an improvement and Pentax just might come up with more long tele lenses). Olympus offers great lenses for its 4/3 system, but the whole future of that system is a bit questionable.

I'd recommend that you studied what lenses Canon, Nikon and Pentax offer for wildlife and sport photography and asked yourself what you are willing to pay... (and carry with you.)

--
Mikko

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