You Canon guys are the Worst Reps

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FYI, when you use the EVF and tracking AF, its 3fps.
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Your quotation from DPReview doesn't say this and that's because it's not true. The a55 focus tracks at 10 fps whether you are using the EVF or the LCD.

If you meant to say that the EVF can't keep up with the 10fps shooting capability of the a55, then I agree completely.
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Gary

 
I will, but I think I'd rather use my 1D4. I think the a55 will probably do a better job with the video of those subjects though.
try to BIF or to shoot any sports events with the EVF @ 10FPS with the A55 for fun.
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Gary

 
Complainers are always the most vocal type of users, you never or very rarely hear of users who love their camera because they are busy using it to shoot beautiful photographs with. The complainers complain about every little thing that bothers them and that could bother them, even with gear they don't own they complain about.

You just need to learn to filter through all the crap posts and threads on various forums to see what it's really about. If you get stuck on all the complaints about camera X and Y then you will never buy anything because no matter how fantastic some camera or lens is people will still find something to complain about it. That's the nature of humans. :)

/ Magnus
I agree. Thank you.

I realize it is not the job of posters in this forum to sell Canon. I just wanted to point out something they may not even realize they are doing.
it should also be pointed out that if not for the complainers the 5D2 would still lack manual control for video and likely the same for the 7D

the 50D and 7D may have never even gotten MFA

they would've never tried to tackle high iso banding

etc.
 
I don't think these forums are supposed to be for sales purposes. More like education and sharing. Do enough due diligence and you be able to separate the BS from the valuable info.
 
Support is not the only reason. Recently I read the comment of a Pentax user on Amazon who traded his complete gear in for a EOS 7D plus some lenses and is now much happier. The reason he stressed was the slow AF performance of the Pentax system. I heard the same thing amongst birdwatcher I sometimes meet during hiking and shooting wildlife. For action, obviously Canon and Nikon provide the most advanced systems so far.

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Picturenaut
 
Without doubt, this is a very strange place, and home to that weirdest of internet phenomena, the antifanboy - for him (and yes, it's always a "him"), his manufacturer of choice can do no right, and the grass is always greener on the other side. Despite that, he continues with his choice...

My issue with it (apart from the absurdly negative language used) is that so much of it is ill-informed and downright stupid. Take several recent subjects of rants: the 60D not having a magnesium body, and the purpose of the 70-300 L. Now I did my degree in metallurgy and materials technology, and frankly I would prefer to have a camera body made from the appropriate engineering polymer rather than metal, but then I've actually got an understanding of the subject. But for some, it's the end of the world, and a sign that Canon don't know what they're doing. Does it occur to them for even the tiniest fraction of a second that Canon, in common with other manufacturers, actually employs competent engineers who understand their field and have specified the most appropriate material? No, it has to be some new and ever-more devious way of Canon to take advantage of their customers. On the 70-300L front, they also claim that Canon have no idea what they're doing introducing this lens, that nobody wants it, and so on. It doesn't occur to them for a moment that Canon actually have a lot of data available to them through CPS on what lenses advanced amateurs are using on bodies such as the 7D and the 5D II, and my guess is that they can see a lot of us (certainly including me!) are using the 70-300 IS, despite owning several L lenses so clearly not being afraid of splashing the cash. Again, Canon couldn't possibly know more about their own business than the antifanboy, could they?

And finally, anyone who doesn't agree with their frankly barmy view of the world has to be a Canon employee here to stir up trouble - I give it until the Septics wake up for me to be labelled as such. I'm not. I'm an amateur (a reasonably advanced one) who's been using EOS for nearly 20 years. I hated Canon in the A series days for their dumbing-down of photography with P modes and what have you - in other words, I was pretty stupid back then. The EOS 100 converted me in an instant from someone who hated "unnecessary" technology in cameras to one willing to accept change. Do I think Canon are perfect? Most certainly not, and as another poster said, it's critically important for people to post issues they have here and elsewhere so that improvements can be made - the most useful for me being the video improvements in the 5D II. Canon do actually listen now - unlike 5 years ago when there was no sign of it - but I just don't understand why anyone has to use quite such hyperbolic and apocalyptic language in doing so, even in a culture where "awesome" has come to mean "quite nice".
 
I'm here to learn. However, I take EVERY post with a grain of salt. You just don't know any poster's situation, motivation or experience. I take in the criticisms posted here, then use them to make more educated decisions that works for me and my situations. Unless a panel of proven experts all agree on the same subject (which will never happen), I always keep my mind open to making my camera decisions- then go with what works for me. Peace.

Pat
 
Support is not the only reason. Recently I read the comment of a Pentax user on Amazon who traded his complete gear in for a EOS 7D plus some lenses and is now much happier. The reason he stressed was the slow AF performance of the Pentax system. I heard the same thing amongst birdwatcher I sometimes meet during hiking and shooting wildlife. For action, obviously Canon and Nikon provide the most advanced systems so far.

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Picturenaut
Agreed.

But how many of us amateurs need the very high speed AF every day... sure, it's good to have it. Just in case :-)
I think for 70 - 80 % of us a Pentax just would do the job nicely.

Still not selling my gear :-)
 
I have two Korean cars (Hyundai) and it hasn't been recalled at all since owning them and no breakdowns either. Oine is 4 years old and the other is 1 1/2 years old. My previous car a Ford Focus had 5 recalls within a year and the engine started having problems after a year of ownership. At least Hyundai has the best warranty. Pentax isn't really in the same caliber as Canon or Nikon and they had no 'pro' models per se. Their target buyers were different.. amateurs and advanced amateurs. Olympus makes good cameras too and in fact paved the way for smaller, lighter SLRs. For people who's planning to buy a camera, read all the reviews you can and see if there's someone in Youtube who has the same gear.
 
Your pixel peepers are the worst and do the most dis-service to the product line. Most of us never get to that level of pixel peeping, but the very small percentage of the pixel peepers on this forum end up influencing a lot on new buyers such as me.
Keep in mind that there are folks who do actually use 100% of the image at the native resolution. That kind of user might be more likely to use medium format cameras but I'm sure there are those who "needed" the full 18mp and bought APS-C cameras.

And, there are times where you might not need the whole image, but need to crop, and for whatever reason (atrophotography, noticed something interesting, lens not long enough, or whatever) you need that 100% crop. It is NOT unreasonable to expect that an 8MP, 18MP, or 21MP camera to be sharp even when viewed at 100%. Otherwise, why pay for that resolution, and why choose a DSLR over a P&S?
  • Many of us have a long tradition with Canon, coming from the times, when the Canon cameras were the clear leader in Image Quality without a doubt. Now the competition - namely the big N, but not to forget Sony and Pentax - did not only pick up, but took over... that hurts :-)
Why does that hurt? Canon has awesome lenses and they're putting out incredible cameras, and Sony pushing ahead in certain areas, Nikon leaping ahead in other areas, etc. does not diminish your current Canon in any way. How can it hurt, unless you have made Canon your god? Competition - from any company - is great because it drives competition which in turn spurs innovation.
  • Nobody with a sense for reality will buy a 1000 US$(and more) camera and accept sub-par image quality. So if we find something that we see as an issue, we complain.
True, but complaining about banding in shadows after severely underexposing a photo and pushing it up in post, or complaining about an "approximately 100% viewfinder" having a very tiny border of pixels around the frame - when no other DSLR offers an "approx 100% viewfinder" is a bit ridiculous and makes me think that kind of user is exhibiting an OCD.

Now one thing about forums is that when a company has literally millions of companies, a certain kind of person will invariably flock to messageboards to complain about every little thing - real or imagined - the vast, vast majority of others are extremely satisfied with their product, and just don't have anything to complain about.
  • True what others said: We are not paid by Canon :-)
Beside that:

Pentax has very attractive cameras, I especially like the high ISO noise (read: The approach not to mush the photo and to leave this decission to the user). If I would not have a 2nd body, lenses, flash guns etc -- I would buy a Pentax!
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(Before posting ask yourself this question: Does the forum really need yet another 60D-bashing thread?)
 
+1 Thanks...Hit the nail on the head.

If I can add one other thing. I am always amazed at the way some of these anti-fanboys react when people call them on it. They start a thread making wild statements like "only an idiot would like that feature", or "canon won't fool me into buying that cr@p". Now this immediately suggests that anyone who dissagrees with their personal opinion is an idiot or a fool. Now its only a matter of time before someone will raise to the bait and start a counter-arguments Sometimes these counter-arguments are well thought out and polite but other times they are short and a little aggressive. But then again what did the the anti-fanboy expect, he just implied everyone else was a fool or an idiot. So what does the anti-fanboy do? He runs around jumpng across the half dozen other negative threads (some of which are moving along nicely as a well though out and reasoned discussion), complaining about how the forum is overly aggressive and full of canon sales people and saying things like "watch out, otherwise the canon fanboys will jump all over you".
Without doubt, this is a very strange place, and home to that weirdest of internet phenomena, the antifanboy - for him (and yes, it's always a "him"), his manufacturer of choice can do no right, and the grass is always greener on the other side. Despite that, he continues with his choice...

My issue with it (apart from the absurdly negative language used) is that so much of it is ill-informed and downright stupid. Take several recent subjects of rants: the 60D not having a magnesium body, and the purpose of the 70-300 L. Now I did my degree in metallurgy and materials technology, and frankly I would prefer to have a camera body made from the appropriate engineering polymer rather than metal, but then I've actually got an understanding of the subject. But for some, it's the end of the world, and a sign that Canon don't know what they're doing. Does it occur to them for even the tiniest fraction of a second that Canon, in common with other manufacturers, actually employs competent engineers who understand their field and have specified the most appropriate material? No, it has to be some new and ever-more devious way of Canon to take advantage of their customers. On the 70-300L front, they also claim that Canon have no idea what they're doing introducing this lens, that nobody wants it, and so on. It doesn't occur to them for a moment that Canon actually have a lot of data available to them through CPS on what lenses advanced amateurs are using on bodies such as the 7D and the 5D II, and my guess is that they can see a lot of us (certainly including me!) are using the 70-300 IS, despite owning several L lenses so clearly not being afraid of splashing the cash. Again, Canon couldn't possibly know more about their own business than the antifanboy, could they?

And finally, anyone who doesn't agree with their frankly barmy view of the world has to be a Canon employee here to stir up trouble - I give it until the Septics wake up for me to be labelled as such. I'm not. I'm an amateur (a reasonably advanced one) who's been using EOS for nearly 20 years. I hated Canon in the A series days for their dumbing-down of photography with P modes and what have you - in other words, I was pretty stupid back then. The EOS 100 converted me in an instant from someone who hated "unnecessary" technology in cameras to one willing to accept change. Do I think Canon are perfect? Most certainly not, and as another poster said, it's critically important for people to post issues they have here and elsewhere so that improvements can be made - the most useful for me being the video improvements in the 5D II. Canon do actually listen now - unlike 5 years ago when there was no sign of it - but I just don't understand why anyone has to use quite such hyperbolic and apocalyptic language in doing so, even in a culture where "awesome" has come to mean "quite nice".
 
I can say anything, but you had better not say anything bad about my family! LOL
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No other brand will let you trade in a broken older camera for a refurb at a great price. This little known Canon service is enough to keep my loyalty!
whvick
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Your pixel peepers are the worst and do the most dis-service to the product line. Most of us never get to that level of pixel peeping, but the very small percentage of the pixel peepers on this forum end up influencing a lot on new buyers such as me.
Keep in mind that there are folks who do actually use 100% of the image at the native resolution. That kind of user might be more likely to use medium format cameras but I'm sure there are those who "needed" the full 18mp and bought APS-C cameras.

And, there are times where you might not need the whole image, but need to crop, and for whatever reason (atrophotography, noticed something interesting, lens not long enough, or whatever) you need that 100% crop. It is NOT unreasonable to expect that an 8MP, 18MP, or 21MP camera to be sharp even when viewed at 100%. Otherwise, why pay for that resolution, and why choose a DSLR over a P&S?
  • Many of us have a long tradition with Canon, coming from the times, when the Canon cameras were the clear leader in Image Quality without a doubt. Now the competition - namely the big N, but not to forget Sony and Pentax - did not only pick up, but took over... that hurts :-)
Why does that hurt? Canon has awesome lenses and they're putting out incredible cameras, and Sony pushing ahead in certain areas, Nikon leaping ahead in other areas, etc. does not diminish your current Canon in any way. How can it hurt, unless you have made Canon your god? Competition - from any company - is great because it drives competition which in turn spurs innovation.
Hu...did you notice the smilie - :-) - meaning that "it hurts" is something very questionable?

Beside that: Competition is a good thing, for sure. And I am very happy that back in 2007 or 2008 Nikon finally got their act together.

But it also means that Canon users now look even more to the IQ - that's what I said (well, meant to say)
  • Nobody with a sense for reality will buy a 1000 US$(and more) camera and accept sub-par image quality. So if we find something that we see as an issue, we complain.
True, but complaining about banding in shadows after severely underexposing a photo and pushing it up in post, or complaining about an "approximately 100% viewfinder" having a very tiny border of pixels around the frame - when no other DSLR offers an "approx 100% viewfinder" is a bit ridiculous and makes me think that kind of user is exhibiting an OCD.
Not knowing what an OCD is, I still agree 100% to your statement. There is the kind of "constructive" critism and there is also a lot of critism, that demands unrealistic things...
Now one thing about forums is that when a company has literally millions of companies, a certain kind of person will invariably flock to messageboards to complain about every little thing - real or imagined - the vast, vast majority of others are extremely satisfied with their product, and just don't have anything to complain about.
  • True what others said: We are not paid by Canon :-)
Beside that:

Pentax has very attractive cameras, I especially like the high ISO noise (read: The approach not to mush the photo and to leave this decission to the user). If I would not have a 2nd body, lenses, flash guns etc -- I would buy a Pentax!
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http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/posting

(Before posting ask yourself this question: Does the forum really need yet another 60D-bashing thread?)
 
No other brand will let you trade in a broken older camera for a refurb at a great price. This little known Canon service is enough to keep my loyalty!
whvick
Well... if you happen to live in the US....which probably 28% of Canon users do anyway.

I unfortunately belong to the minority of 72% that live outside US and I have not heard anything about this program in my area....

Despite that: I do not need to trade in anything, I still think that Canon has a very wide range of products, from "built to a price" to "don't care about cost - get the job done" and so it is fairly easy to get a satisfactory system for more or less anybody.
 
they seem to be responding to others in the marketplace vs being a leader as they were 8 yrs ago.
 

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