I've taken some photos, now what!? (lightroom?)

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hi guys and gals! first off, thanks so much for all of the help you've all offered by responding to my other posts..

i'm very new to photography (long time "picture taker", but only now getting into the real "mechanics" of photography) and i am trying to learn all of the proper steps.

so onto my 2 questions.. i am using an E-P1 btw.

is it better to shoot in raw? jpeg? both? pros and cons please...

do i buy Lightroom or use the software that came with the camera? any other suggestions? pros and cons please!

do you process ALL photos?

thanks again! you guys are the best!
 
Use jpg and download picasa to start out ...

Learn read enjoy the camera ... switch to raw if its your bag.

There are tons of articles on the jpg / raw debate.

buy lightroom later if you wish. I wouldn't do everything in 1 jump, but hey if you like then do it. get a good lightroom book and buy it.
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Firstly congrats on getting an E-P1. =)

As for RAW vs JPEG, my advice is to shoot both unless you have an SD card with low capacity. You don't really need to shoot RAW. The Pen is known for having great out-of-camera jpegs. But the main advantage of having RAW is that it's unprocessed, uncompressed data straight from the camera. So when you need to make adjustments to the image (e.g., exposure, white balance, etc) you'll have more to work with. In other words, it's more forgiving when you don't get the exposure quite right. The downside is that post processing takes a lot of time...

Of course, to post process RAW (or jpeg) images, you'll need post processing software like Lightroom (which is expensive!). You can use the software that came with the camera, but it's a bit slower and not as robust as Lightroom. There are other free software to consider, like Gimp, which I hear is very good, but I've never used it myself.

Hope this helps.
hi guys and gals! first off, thanks so much for all of the help you've all offered by responding to my other posts..

i'm very new to photography (long time "picture taker", but only now getting into the real "mechanics" of photography) and i am trying to learn all of the proper steps.

so onto my 2 questions.. i am using an E-P1 btw.

is it better to shoot in raw? jpeg? both? pros and cons please...

do i buy Lightroom or use the software that came with the camera? any other suggestions? pros and cons please!

do you process ALL photos?

thanks again! you guys are the best!
 
Lightroom is a jewel. If you want to get serious about photography and can afford it, then go for it.
 
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Of course, to post process RAW (or jpeg) images, you'll need post processing software like Lightroom (which is expensive!).
Expensive? ... relative to what? ... not having anything left over after purchasing a quality camera? Given what Lr offers .. organization, plugins (eg, GPS tagging), raw development, gallery integration, printer integration, & lots more ... Lr is a bargain.

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You never know where your going to go with your photography when your just starting out. I wish there had been something like LR when I started out in 1959. Last week I had someone ask me if I had some shots of the B.O.A. building being built in Charlotte? Something before the building was finished, with the structural steel showing. That would have been something among my over 18,000 b&w negatives. Well I did find the right negatives, but it took me two days of looking. So LR is much more than for just P.P. , it can be used to keep track of what your working with.

As far as jpg vs raw, everytime you save a jpg you degrade the file. With raw you always have the digital negative and as your P.P. gets better, you can go back and refine the files to get even better results. If your work gets really good and your able to sale your work, your going to want to shoot raw. Magazines and book publishers often want tiff, so you want to have the best digital file to start with and that is raw. And no, you only process your best work. Back in the 60's the magazines talked about pros only getting 2 or 3 shots out of 36 that were keepers. If they shot slide film, those other not great shots went into the trash can.
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is it better to shoot in raw? jpeg? both? pros and cons please...
Think of RAW files as your negative that you keep forever, and the JPEG as the printed photo you'd normally get from the developer. RAW files have a lot more information from the image that JPEG simply throws away during processing and compression, and you're also relying on an engineer's interpretation for what that JPEG should look like. Granted Olympus JPEGs are supposed to be great from the camera, but at least with the RAW you can spend some extra time on your truly great photos once you learn more about post-processing, etc. Shoot both - space is cheap. No reason not to.
do i buy Lightroom or use the software that came with the camera? any other suggestions? pros and cons please!
You can start with the software that came with the camera. You can also do some basic adjustments in Picasa, which is free. There are some other free pieces of software that let you play with your RAW files (GIMP, Raw Therapee, for example) if you can't (or don't want to) afford Lightroom just yet. You can always download a free trial of Lightroom or Photoshop (with Adobe Camera Raw - ACR) and play around with those for a while.
do you process ALL photos?
No, just the ones worth processing. Trash the bad ones, archive everything else, process the great ones.
 
First, shoot JPG to your heart's content. I know a few very well respected and famous professional photographers - not journalists, but ad shooters and fine art photogs - who shoot JPG. Their contention is, even with RAW it's hugely important to get the exposure, white balance, and all that right - only then can a RAW capture begin to compete with a JPG. And their thought is, shooting a dozen JPG variations on exposure gets them a better outcome overall than shooting two or three RAW images. RAW adds to your workflow, adds to your time spent to get to a nice print or to the web, and if you're not aspiring to National Geographic or to shooting ads for corporations, may not add anything to your enjoyment of photography.

All that said... RAW can add to the eventual quality of your images if you take the time to get a perfect capture (not just one you can torture into looking OK from a RAW capture) and like to go through the effort of processing images. I shoot it all the time. It does take up a lot of space on a disk, but as photography is my second job, I've developed discipline about my workflow from when I download images... I rate them immediately, delete anything not rated 3 stars or better immediately, and delete 3 star ratings after a week. If you keep everything, even the images out of focus, mis-composed, mis-exposed... RAW is just a way to enrich hard disk manufacturers.

I'm also not a lightroom fan unless you shoot high volumes of images regularly, have the need and discipline to do global adjustments, keywording, collections, and cataloging. In the end, most pictures that need to be printed end up being adjusted in Photoshop. For low volume shooters who have occasional high volume days, Bridge in Photoshop does just fine. I did a workshop last year where the leader let people work in lightroom for the first couple days, then had everyone ONLY work in Photoshop and Bridge for a few days. It was stunning how much faster people had images ready for critique reviews, and what they had ready were generally also better processed. Most people don't do enough in Lightroom to justify having it sit in front of what they do in Photoshop. Despite the volume I shoot from time to time, I only use Lightroom when I know that I need to push photos out quickly, and without extensive tweaking for quality. Otherwise, I pull straight into Bridge to do my ranking and deleting and keywording.

I look at workflow through the eyes of time... the less time I spend on processing the more time I can spend on shooting. And the fewer times I touch an image - remembering that most of them that are adjusted in LIghtroom end up in PHotoshop for cropping, dust retouching, local adjustments... the faster I can get back to shooting.

Not saying it's bad, just saying it was developed for high volume shooters who do very little tweaking of individual images, and so it's not necessarily a good investment of time to learn it well for those who don't fit the profile of who it was developed for.
 
I've found Picasa sufficient for my needs, beats spending big bucks on other image processing software.

GIMP is good too but a little difficult to use.
Well, it is for a thicko like me :-)
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I do RAW exclusively. All RAWs are then batch-process using default in-camera settings with Olympus Viewer 2 (free download from Oly website with an E-P1 serial number). I then only keep the RAWs for those that
  • fail lighting/exposure e.g. recoverable wash out, too dark, etc.
  • very good pics that I am likely to do more PP later.
The reason for the above pre steps is that I like Olympus color. If I meter correctly, most of my JPEGs results are more pleasing than hours of processing in Lightroom. However, I do want the freedom to do correction for pics that I don't meter correctly (or require more advance processing).

Everything is then processed with Lightroom. The very good ones go through Photoshop as well.

If you don't really want to go very advance, the Olympus Viewer + Google Picasa will be more than sufficient.

What's great about Lightroom is processing all photos aren't really as time consuming as it sounds. You just create one-size-fits-all-ish preset and apply to all incoming pics and you get decent printable / share-able results. You only do more detail processing with those that need more PP.

And if you use Lightroom, do RAW! JPEG cripples many things that Lightroom can do (e.g. white balance correction, recover highlight, noise reduction, color processing, etc.)
hi guys and gals! first off, thanks so much for all of the help you've all offered by responding to my other posts..

i'm very new to photography (long time "picture taker", but only now getting into the real "mechanics" of photography) and i am trying to learn all of the proper steps.

so onto my 2 questions.. i am using an E-P1 btw.

is it better to shoot in raw? jpeg? both? pros and cons please...

do i buy Lightroom or use the software that came with the camera? any other suggestions? pros and cons please!

do you process ALL photos?

thanks again! you guys are the best!
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