Thom Hogan article on m4/3

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. . . I know that this was published three months ago but I can't remember seeing it posted here and it sums up some of the reasons why I like m4/3 so much myself. I still use my DSLR for some things but I also enjoy the challenges that go with using my E-P2 which are similar to some of the experiences that I remember years ago with film.

BTW . . . I still drive a 34 year old car with no power steering, power brakes or airconditioning or auto anything else and I still adjust the valves, brakes and set the gap and dwell on the ignition points - you youngsters might have to Google some of that. . . . . LOL
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Thom's article from his website:

Micro 4/3 (Briefly) Revisited

June 2 (commentary)--A recent email from someone who had previously corresponded with me about my experience with m4/3 and who decided to go the E-P2 route along with the 7-14mm, 14-42mm, and 45-200mm lens route reminded me that I haven't written much about the m4/3 bodies since my reviews of them last year. On top of that, last week's "getting back to basics" assignment and this Monday's talk at B&H intersected with my thoughts as I responded to the email.

Digital has spoiled us on a whole bunch of fronts. Today's top of the line DSLRs are Ferraris compared to my old F3HP and Tri-X film. The D3s and D3x in the hands of someone who knows what they're doing produces stunning images in ways that weren't possible before. But they're heavy, expensive, complicated, and require great discipline.

A m4/3 kit with a handful of carefully selected lenses is like going back into the past. You give up some of the things that we take for granted, but it's smaller (by far), lighter (by far), and less expensive (by far) than picking up either of the D3 twins and the pro glass they work best with. What I find when I'm wandering the wilds with my m4/3 kit is that I'm mostly back into the old film world. To wit:

Limited dynamic range. I'm almost back to the old slide film DR with the m4/3 cameras, where I had to pay careful attention to exposure lest I produce clear or completely opaque acetate. So the old fill flash, graduated ND, and other tricks came back into play. Put another way, I spend more time controlling contrast in the field, just like I did in the days of film.

Limited ISO. In the film era, ISO 400 was the basic top of reasonably good film stock, and with some (like later versions of Tri-X) you could push to 800 with reasonable results. This pushed us towards using faster lenses and opened up the world of selective focus. And we're nearly back to that with the m4/3 cameras, too: ISO 400 is fine, ISO 800 is starting to be a stretch, ISO 1600 you probably want to avoid. And lenses? Make sure you have the 20mm f/1.7 and/or some old fast Leica M primes to play with.

Limited focus tracking. Birds in flight, active sports, and a whole host of other things are pretty much beyond the autofocus tracking capabilities of the m4/3 cameras. Yes, you can get some keepers, but your keeper rate is far lower, so you start reverting back to techniques you used with the old manual focus film bodies: preselected focus zones, for instance.

So what we end up with by carrying an m4/3 kit into the world with us instead of, say, a D300s-based DX or D700-based FX kit, is a slightly slower, more considered form of shooting, much like what I was asking everyone to try out last week in the You assignments. Instead of the cameras solving everything for you (auto exposure, auto ISO, auto focus, auto flash, auto everything), the m4/3 cameras force you to think a bit more, to slow down and use more manual techniques to overcome problems than relying upon camera "intelligence" to make decisions for you.

To some, that slower, more considered world is a blessing: you get back to the roots of photography and you find that one decision impacts another and that putting dedicating your brain power to those domino-like decisions really does impact how good your image will be and have much fun you have capturing it.

The camera makers, though, don't get this. It's as if they've all decided that the world only needs auto transmission, auto steering, auto speed monitoring, auto braking, auto everything. Where are the camera equivalents of Porsches or BMWs that try to bring back the joy of shooting? (In that context, the m4/3 cameras are a bit like Mini Coopers: some of the joy is back, and it certainly is smaller and lighter!)

So, yes, I continue to use my m4/3 cameras for those photo opportunities that are appropriate, and I find that I enjoy using them despite their limitations. And yes, I still pull out the D3s and D3x with all those massive lenses for most of my work. But I'm also finding that the more I use the m4/3 cameras, the more I'm turning off features of the D3 bodies. I want to control my decisions more, and I think this shows up in my images.

http://bythom.com/2010%20Nikon%20News.htm
 
Thank you, Tim
These are very prudent and fair contemplations...
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And yes, it was discussed here at the time.

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Yes, this is old news and...

I am amazed at how many people with FF cameras who after a while admit that they use their m43 cameras more and more...and find they are leaving the FF cameras at home. There is nothing else that offers lenses ranging up to 400mm EFL and very high IQ in a small, portable package.
 
Yes, this is old news and...

I am amazed at how many people with FF cameras who after a while admit that they use their m43 cameras more and more...and find they are leaving the FF cameras at home. There is nothing else that offers lenses ranging up to 400mm EFL and very high IQ in a small, portable package.
except some guys who use their simple physics and math equation to bash m4/3 :D
 
Thanks, Thom. Well spoken. When I handle E-P2, I feel like 30 years ago,with rangefinder and handheld exposure meter. Or just setting exposure based on my experience. And I have to think more. And I feel camera in my hands, not computer..
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Yes, this is old news and...

I am amazed at how many people with FF cameras who after a while admit that they use their m43 cameras more and more...and find they are leaving the FF cameras at home. There is nothing else that offers lenses ranging up to 400mm EFL and very high IQ in a small, portable package.
except some guys who use their simple physics and math equation to bash m4/3 :D
Those guys are silly :P

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yes I see those Japanese fanatics carrying huge backpacks with equipment. With MFT, the decision what equipment to take is much simpler: my Lowepro Classified 160 contains camera (eventually even a second body), 4 lenses and a tripod and a flash. Not much pondering about what equipment to take along necessary.

The new 70-300 zoom would be OK for me - I have a tripod with me anyway, and it fits into the bag (not interested in a 2.8 300 monster)
 
Tim in upstate NY wrote:
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Thom's article from his website:
Tim, I know you didn't intend to be rude but unless you've asked Thom's permission, it's usually bad form to copy such a large chunk of someone's content and post it elsewhere. It's better to paste a short portion of his content, and then include a link directly to the article. That way Thom gets a more direct benefit from your mention of his article. Posting the article in its entirety reduces the odds of people visiting his site.

Sorry for the unwanted etiquette lesson but as someone does a lot of web-related work, I'm particularly sensitive to issues of copyright and page views.

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To some, that slower, more considered world is a blessing: you get back to the roots of photography and you find that one decision impacts another and that putting dedicating your brain power to those domino-like decisions really does impact how good your image will be and have much fun you have capturing it.
The camera makers, though, don't get this. It's as if they've all decided that the world only needs auto transmission, auto steering, auto speed monitoring, auto braking, auto everything. Where are the camera equivalents of Porsches or BMWs that try to bring back the joy of shooting? (In that context, the m4/3 cameras are a bit like Mini Coopers: some of the joy is back, and it certainly is smaller and lighter!)
So, yes, I continue to use my m4/3 cameras for those photo opportunities that are appropriate, and I find that I enjoy using them despite their limitations. And yes, I still pull out the D3s and D3x with all those massive lenses for most of my work. But I'm also finding that the more I use the m4/3 cameras, the more I'm turning off features of the D3 bodies. I want to control my decisions more, and I think this shows up in my images.
Thom has spoken well, however m4/3 cameras and especially E-P series are not simplified enough for a pro to use them in full manual and some parts are not designed well enough to take the beating.

Here is from my another post:

E-P2 is an ergonomic nightmare. That starts right from the battery and flash card installed where I have my tripod mounted, and goes all the way to overly sensitive multi-function wheel. Having no separate button for magnification when focusing manually with non-dedicated lenses is an error. Very poor USB connector on remote control which goes both ways without even applying force is bad. Having no computer control for the camera is inadequate.

The sensor lives in a camera, like film. Suppose my camera takes only Agfa 25 film. If it is a good camera I will use it. If it is not - I won't even if it takes grainless 1 million ISO film. Make a good camera and we can live with limited film stock.

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Thom's article from his website:
Tim, I know you didn't intend to be rude but unless you've asked Thom's permission, it's usually bad form to copy such a large chunk of someone's content and post it elsewhere. It's better to paste a short portion of his content, and then include a link directly to the article. That way Thom gets a more direct benefit from your mention of his article. Posting the article in its entirety reduces the odds of people visiting his site.

Sorry for the unwanted etiquette lesson but as someone does a lot of web-related work, I'm particularly sensitive to issues of copyright and page views.
. . . I did post a link to his site beneath the article but I understand your point and will ask him before posting an entire article from his site again. I think I may have posted things like this in years past and whenever corresponding with him on a few occasions he never told me that it was a problem but your point seems valid and I'll check next time. Thanks.
 
Didn't you cut and paste that into other threads?

I never understood the whole tripod blocks the battery compartment thing for small portable cameras. For a larger DSLR sure, but to make a huge deal about it and to say it is a nightmare for a camera with built-in IS and that is meant to small a carried around like a P&S, well, that is just silly.
 
E-P2 is an ergonomic nightmare. That starts right from the battery and flash card installed where I have my tripod mounted, and goes all the way to overly sensitive multi-function wheel. Having no separate button for magnification when focusing manually with non-dedicated lenses is an error. Very poor USB connector on remote control which goes both ways without even applying force is bad. Having no computer control for the camera is inadequate.
. . . Yes the multi-function wheel takes some getting used to and I also agree that the Oly USB connector is a poor design. Not sure I'd call the E-P2 an ergonomic nightmare though. It's at least as good in that respect as the GF1 and far better than the E-PL1 IMO. Maybe the next generation of PEN's will offer some improvements in these areas. They really need to lock on to the needs of advanced enthusiasts if they want to hold on to their customer base. There's going to be some real competition arriving in the next several months from Nikon and maybe even Canon and Oly needs to entrench themselves in the enthusiast marketplace before that happens.
 
Not sure I'd call the E-P2 an ergonomic nightmare though.
For a Leica or Nikon pro body user it sure is, all is relative...

m4/3 line has huge potential, and I wonder why not to make panorama-dedicated versions of Oly cameras, together with dedicated tripod and heads, including motorized. Other interesting applications are b/w camera, HDR camera (a splitter with an ND 1.2 in front of one of the halves of the sensor), and "minimal control buttons" camera.

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Oh why does Thom bash the Nikon F3 ... :-)

Just kidding....

The F3 is one of my Holy Grail cameras...the last of the REAL mechanical Nikons.

Yeah the calendar does say September 2010 ...and it is time to move on, but alas, the traditions of photography, including the F3, do allow me to better appreciate the overall photographic experience.

I am sure all you Argus C3 fans will also agree...
 
why not try medium format lenses
I'm using a tripod frequently - with a quick-release plate.
 
Yes, this is old news and...

I am amazed at how many people with FF cameras who after a while admit that they use their m43 cameras more and more...and find they are leaving the FF cameras at home. There is nothing else that offers lenses ranging up to 400mm EFL and very high IQ in a small, portable package.
except some guys who use their simple physics and math equation to bash m4/3 :D
except if you follow that argument then you will also bash full frame and use medium format ....or large format

i deal with exactly that situation - people bashing 35mm full frame on the basis physics means it is not possible to compete with medium format. i point out they should then use large format if that is how they feel. people still live in the past. FF digital is now way beyond where film medium format ever was just as m4/3 is way beyond where film 35mm FF ever was
 

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