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The first item I look for on a box when viewing possible new printers to purchase is the largest size picture it can print. Apparently this is either top secret or the manufactures don't actually use their products. I have been stumped by many a printer box trying to figure out what pic sizes it will print out. And, I have not bought many a printer because this information was available on the box.

So with the latest Kodak announcement of a new printer, I quickly scanned the announcement (listed below) to discover this top secret printer pic size, so either I scanned to quickly and missed it, or the data isn't there at all. I guess those at Kodak and other manufactures feel we don't need to know maximum printed picture size?

http://forums.dpreview.com/news/1009/10090100kodakesp9250printer.asp

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I was in sales for years and I'm sensitive to how items are marketed to us. Yes I can check the web site, and of course I have done that with some printers, but why? Is there some reason they can't put the data on the box that people look at when assessing a product to see what said product can do?
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rsn48 said:
Is there some reason they can't put the data on the box that people look at when assessing a product to see what said product can do?
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How do you know what is going to be on the box when you are looking at a press release ? Wow. My guess is it will be letter size print size. You're not going to get anything bigger for $250.
 
rsn48 said:
I was in sales for years and I'm sensitive to how items are marketed to us.
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No, you have a fixation. The printer does not print unusual sizes so that's NOT a feature worth advertising as it does NOT distinguish that printer from any other printer on the market. A press release and other advertising should focus on the features that differentiate the product from the rest of the market and hence make it a special value to the person viewing the advertisement or visible face of the box as displayed on the dealer's shelf.

A. C.

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rsn48 said:
I was in sales for years and I'm sensitive to how items are marketed to us. Yes I can check the web site, and of course I have done that with some printers, but why? Is there some reason they can't put the data on the box that people look at when assessing a product to see what said product can do?
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it's called "just in time packaging". By not putting any detailed information on the outside of the box, they can be designed separate from the finalized spec

this is similar to "just in time drivers" where the drivers in the box are only drafts-the user has to download the new drivers from the web...
 
Another thing that annoys me about printer specs is finding whether they use a single colour cartridge or individual inks. You can usually guess that if it is not mentioned, they have a single colour cartridge. Despite Kodak's claims about ink costs, as far as I'm concerned, if it uses a single colour cartridge it's not worth considering.

I'm fed up with throwing away cartridges just because one of the colours has run out and there is plenty left in the other two.
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I agree with the original complaint & it is a big hindrance , have you ever asked a salesman in a store about a product - the first thing they do is pick up the box to read the specs !
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I got off the outrageous costly ink wagon last year when I bought my cheap Kodak to replace my 6 separate ink cart Canon guzzler. Admittedly the quality of my color photo prints are down a notch but no one knows this but me.

When I need better , Wal Mart is only 1/2 mile down the road and they print as cheap than I ever could. I won't be going back to the other printer brands unless Kodak goes belly up.
 
rsn48 said:
So with the latest Kodak announcement of a new printer, I quickly scanned the announcement (listed below) to discover this top secret printer pic size, so either I scanned to quickly and missed it, or the data isn't there at all. I guess those at Kodak and other manufactures feel we don't need to know maximum printed picture size?
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Unless it's a large format printer, you can tell at a glance that a desktop printer can only print up to A4 and letter sizes while compact printers can only print up to 6x4. If they've made a breakthrough in this area that allows the printer to print A3 or endless panoramas in a body the same size as an A4 printer, I'm sure they'd have made sure you took notice.
 
I agree about this; I also like to know how many colors it's using. Apparently 6 or less colors isn't worth mentioning in a press release. Still, given that they're advertising lowest ink costs of any printer it'll be interesting to see how the quality compares.
MisterBG said:
Another thing that annoys me about printer specs is finding whether they use a single colour cartridge or individual inks. You can usually guess that if it is not mentioned, they have a single colour cartridge. Despite Kodak's claims about ink costs, as far as I'm concerned, if it uses a single colour cartridge it's not worth considering.

I'm fed up with throwing away cartridges just because one of the colours has run out and there is plenty left in the other two.
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BG454 said:
Photographers feel guilty that all they do for a living is press a button. - Andy Warhol
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acsmith said:
or is that too easy.
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I think you're missing the point

Kodak should also try calling they're own customer service for a unique experience, I'll never knowingly purchase another Kodak product
acsmith said:
http://store.kodak.com/store/ekconsus/en_US/pd/ESP_9250_All-in-One_Printer/baseProductID.211201600/productID.211351300

"Print sizes

borderless photos from 4 × 6 in. up to 8.5 × 11 in. (US letter) and 8.25 × 11.17 in.
documents from 4 × 6 in. up to 8.5 × 14 in. (US legal) and 8.25 × 11.17 in. "

A. C.

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rsn48 said:
The first item I look for on a box when viewing possible new printers to purchase is the largest size picture it can print. Apparently this is either top secret or the manufactures don't actually use their products. I have been stumped by many a printer box trying to figure out what pic sizes it will print out. And, I have not bought many a printer because this information was available on the box.

So with the latest Kodak announcement of a new printer, I quickly scanned the announcement (listed below) to discover this top secret printer pic size, so either I scanned to quickly and missed it, or the data isn't there at all. I guess those at Kodak and other manufactures feel we don't need to know maximum printed picture size?

http://forums.dpreview.com/news/1009/10090100kodakesp9250printer.asp

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The press release was from UK branch of Kodak therefore unless it says different you can assume it is an A4 printer.
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First some say to "assume" a certain size, I don't like to do this, I'm an old military guy and you know what "assume" means to us.

Secondly, I have bought a Kodak printer. I was working the Vancouver Winter Olympics and need to print something out fast on my HP printer. I went out to purchase my 10th or 12th ink cartridge at $45 here in Canada. I did the quick math and decided I was an idiot. In fact I had just paid for the ink cartridge at a retailer called "London Drugs" when I spotted a sale on Kodak printers - $120. Again quick math told me the printer would only cost $85 more and my reliance on expensive printer cartridges would cease. I returned the HP cartridge and bought the printer. By this time, I would have replaced yet another HP cartridge and the printer would almost be paid for in HP cartridge costs.

I have replaced my black cartridge, I think I paid $17 for it and the same for the colour cartridge, just shy of 1/3rd the cost of my HP printer costs.

Overall I'm happy with my Kodak, but one frustrating quirk is it won't print in black, lets say a word document, if the colour cartridge is out. Yes, I did select black only in the options menu, still no printing.

And yes the printer prints out letter size photo prints, but it didn't say so on the box. I was in a hurry to get a document printed out and I need the printer, regardless of photo print size.

I own the Canon i9900 printer but I sometimes want to print a photo out quickly and am happy to have slightly reduced quality as another poster has said here, only I know the quality is down a bit.

And lastly, it is a frustration not to have important stats listed on a box of a product. If I haven't bought printers because of this fact, others haven't as well.

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