Nikon rumors say D7000 = D90+ 100% + 16-18MP + 25600ISO + mag alloy + ...

ok, now I know one person. Good luck with those menus.
....I dont know any D300 user who would like to go back to a D80/D90 type body.
I would love to. The AF performance of the D90 for action work is not good enough thus I shoot a D300. If the D90 successor addresses this aspect I'll go to the smaller body in a heartbeat.
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ok, now I know one person. Good luck with those menus.
Didn't find myself diving the menus very often with the D90, it has good external control. And if they add that nice new little lever for the drive mode as on the D3100 I'll be even happier. That would be an improvement over the current button.

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Hope they keep the X000 series consistent in terms of not including a screw-drive focus motor (even the term screams “obsolete”). I'll be interested in an upgrade in about a year, but don't want to be saddled with the extra cost, weight, and size for this feature that I know I'll never use.

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Hope they keep the X000 series consistent in terms of not including a screw-drive focus motor (even the term screams “obsolete”). I'll be interested in an upgrade in about a year, but don't want to be saddled with the extra cost, weight, and size for this feature that I know I'll never use.
If most of your lenses were screw drive like mine I think you'd be singing a different tune. How much extra cost, weight and size do think we're talking about here?
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Canon seems to know something with the D60 out today. It seems to be a straight up fighter to the D90 successor. It almost seems to have all the specs that the next D90 would, and I would be so happy if they match. If the live view focus is nice and fast. I'm totally sold!
 
The D90 successor will AF in video mode and the Canon 60D does not. Game over for Canon.
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Canon seems to know something with the D60 out today. It seems to be a straight up fighter to the D90 successor. It almost seems to have all the specs that the next D90 would, and I would be so happy if they match. If the live view focus is nice and fast. I'm totally sold!
lol, go read the Canon forum - everyone over there is saying the D60 is dissapointing, seems to be designed to compete with the current d90, but they expect it to be blown away if the d90 replacement is up to it's rumored specs.

The D60 has the same sensor as the t2i and 7d so same megapixel count and low light performance. No continuous autofocus. No "micro adjust". So basically it's a t2i with an articulating screen and a bigger body (not that the t2i isn't a nice camera).

The one review I read so far said the live view focus isn't particularly fast.

If the d90 replacement has notably improved low light performance, it's going to be way cooler.
 
The D60 has the same sensor as the t2i and 7d so same megapixel count and low light performance. No continuous autofocus. No "micro adjust". So basically it's a t2i with an articulating screen and a bigger body (not that the t2i isn't a nice camera).
I'm sure there are more differences, but a few things the 60D has over the T2i:
  • A slightly quicker frame rate (5.3 vs. 3.7)
  • Faster maximum shutter speed (1/8000 vs. 1/4000)
  • More cross-type AF sensors (9 vs. 1)
  • Pentaprism viewfinder (vs. pentamirror)
So no, it's not just a T2i with an articulating screen and bigger body. Also, I'm fairly certain it has continuous AF.
 
The D60 has the same sensor as the t2i and 7d so same megapixel count and low light performance. No continuous autofocus. No "micro adjust". So basically it's a t2i with an articulating screen and a bigger body (not that the t2i isn't a nice camera).
I'm sure there are more differences, but a few things the 60D has over the T2i:
  • A slightly quicker frame rate (5.3 vs. 3.7)
  • Faster maximum shutter speed (1/8000 vs. 1/4000)
  • More cross-type AF sensors (9 vs. 1)
  • Pentaprism viewfinder (vs. pentamirror)
So no, it's not just a T2i with an articulating screen and bigger body. Also, I'm fairly certain it has continuous AF.
You're probably right about the other points (though they're not huge points), but there's a bunch of people in the Canon forum who would love to find out that it has continuous autofocus, the lack of it is one of the big things they're complaining about. Unless some new info came out in the last day...
 
No, no AF for video.

It's basically a Canon D90 line, they knew that D90's market place is a sweet spot for enthusiasts at about 1,000 USD body price at launch. Since the D70, thios has been Nikon's workhorse model. Rebel users now have a easy path to a "real" camera.

Great move IMO, will sell well. Video is not selling cameras yet, otherwise the D3000 wouldn't sell as it does.

I'm worried Nikon is upscaling the D90's line with D7000, hope the 100% VF is not true, otherwise it'll be larger and heavier than D80/D90.

Unless D7000 is the D300s' replacement and D5100 will come similar to D90. But it seems that there will be a hole in line up, unless an Evil line is coming to fill it.
The D60 has the same sensor as the t2i and 7d so same megapixel count and low light performance. No continuous autofocus. No "micro adjust". So basically it's a t2i with an articulating screen and a bigger body (not that the t2i isn't a nice camera).
I'm sure there are more differences, but a few things the 60D has over the T2i:
  • A slightly quicker frame rate (5.3 vs. 3.7)
  • Faster maximum shutter speed (1/8000 vs. 1/4000)
  • More cross-type AF sensors (9 vs. 1)
  • Pentaprism viewfinder (vs. pentamirror)
So no, it's not just a T2i with an articulating screen and bigger body. Also, I'm fairly certain it has continuous AF.
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You're probably right about the other points (though they're not huge points),
I consider 9 cross-type AF sensors and a prism finder a pretty big deal, but maybe not everyone does.
but there's a bunch of people in the Canon forum who would love to find out that it has continuous autofocus, the lack of it is one of the big things they're complaining about.
Ah, you must be referring to continuous AF during video .
 
Nikkon wouldn't develop a 39 point AF if it were not better than previous systems. This may be part of new AF being developped for FF cameras.

And this D7000 is looking more than a D90's replacement, especially if 100% VF is true. That's a pro feature and usually only fits highest level body. The D700 doesn't have it. It makes camera larger, like a D300s.
I disgree. Less AF points and most significantly probably a D90-like body (i.e. smaller, less external; controls). As for the sensor you mentioned, even the D3100 has a higher pixel count so that proves nothing.
Who is not to say that the 39 AF points will not be better than the 51 from the d300s? The d300/700/3s/3x focusing is 15 cross types in a square at the center of the viewfinder. More and more spread out cross types would certainly make for a better AF point array layout than what nikon currently offers.
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If that's in, it's the highest level APS_C, that makes body large and tradition says only top body gets it. D700, for example, doesn't carry one. It's expensive, requiring careful adjustment of each body.

I'm waiting for confirmation of that, if not there, D400 ealry next year, if true, this is the "D400" and Nikon is changing lineup if price is confirmed at 1200USD for body.
I still expect the D400 (or D9000) to be a mini D4 like the D300 was a mini D3. They'll keep it to the pro release cycle and s upgrades, even if it means sales get a bit sluggish at the end of the cycle - just builds a bit more pent-up demand for the new one.
If so, what would be the sensor? The one coming with D7000 (rumor says 16 or 18 MP)? If so and rest of D7000's specs are true (I doubt 100% VF and metal frame), then only AF could differentiate them, not enough IMHO.
I would expect the sensor to stay as it is in the D300s. As I said, I'm not sure they'll mind D300s sales slowing (or virtually stopping) towards the end of the cycle - that much is inevitable if they keep with the four year pro model cycle and the seems annual - biennial consumer cycle. In the end, they don't mind which models they're selling, so well as they're selling. I suppose at a pincth they could put in the D7000 sensor and have a D310 'generation and threequarters', but I don't expect that. D300s as it is until the D400 co-released with the D4 (and the same 24MP as I expect in the D4) with all the whizzy features the D4's going to have (off the sensor PDAF is the big rumour)
September will tell what's what. One thing I know: Nikon has to keep the 1,000 USD body in the lineup, similar to D90. It's one of their big success stories, since D70. If it'll be a D5100 or Nikon will have another line in-between D5100 and D700 (D6000?), not known now. If latter, then actually D7000 replaces D300s, not D90.
I expect D5100 is D5000 with D3100 sensor an electronics. D7000 stays at D90 price point, however much spec Nikon jams in it. D300s stays as is, even if it only sells a handful, D400 released with D4. D800 released somewhat later. If you look at Canon, they have the same issues exactly with range inversion. It's a product of a slow pro product cycle and a fast consumer one.
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You're probably right about the other points (though they're not huge points),
I consider 9 cross-type AF sensors and a prism finder a pretty big deal, but maybe not everyone does.
Fair enough! :-)
but there's a bunch of people in the Canon forum who would love to find out that it has continuous autofocus, the lack of it is one of the big things they're complaining about.
Ah, you must be referring to continuous AF during video .
Yeah. I've never heard anyone make a big deal of the topic outside of video nowadays at least...
 
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Yes, 100% VF is correct but I still do not think they will eliminate the D300s line.
Well, to me it does, I doubt there will be two boies with that kind of spec, it's a bona fide pro feature, only top model carries that for each sensor type, not even D700 at 2,500USD has it.

It makes camera larger, meaning D7000 won't be of D90's size.

If confirmed, the D7000 is actually the D300s' replacement. New 39 point AF, metal body, dual slots, 8fps, etc. The 39 point AF system should have more cross type points, making better than present 51 point AF system in D300s.

And, it won't cost 1200USD for body only, more like 1500USD if Nikon wants to beat 7D.

This opens 1,800-2,000USD price range for a D90's class FF body. It's coming ...
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If that's in, it's the highest level APS_C, that makes body large and tradition says only top body gets it. D700, for example, doesn't carry one. It's expensive, requiring careful adjustment of each body.

I'm waiting for confirmation of that, if not there, D400 ealry next year, if true, this is the "D400" and Nikon is changing lineup if price is confirmed at 1200USD for body.
You know, I don't believe all this stuff about 100% VF at all. I think it's a huge bluff the manufacturer's pull on us. Why would a 5% greater coverage require any more than a 5% larger VF? and 5% is not a major increase in size. I think the careful adjustment stuff is balderdash too. Far a start, I don't think they do carefully adjust it (there have been many documented cases of whole runs of top end pro models with the VF out, so either QC is dreadful or it's not part of the Q they C). Moreover, I believe that at the tolerances to which these cameras are constructed, it should be quite feasible to produce a VF system within close enough tolerance without adjustment. Finally, even if it did need adjustment an automatic rig that did it in a few seconds per unit would not be hard to devise.

Personally, I think it's a marketing thing, it was a feature that they could charge a lot more for (like sealing of unspecified effectiveness) . Once one of the manufacturers breaks ranks and stops charging a premium for it, they run out of things to differentiate between the different models in the line. At least with AF you can add more points to the top of the line, 105% VF doesn't make much sense (actually, having written that, it makes more sense than one might think)
 
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Yes, 100% VF is correct but I still do not think they will eliminate the D300s line.
Well, to me it does, I doubt there will be two boies with that kind of spec, it's a bona fide pro feature, only top model carries that for each sensor type, not even D700 at 2,500USD has it.
I don't think they work on rules like that. What they work on is what the features are necessary to distiguish a model from the next one up, and to give it an advantage over its competitor. The D700 is clearly an FX D300, yet the D300 has a 100% VF and the D700 doesn't. Why? Because the D700 needs some differentiation from the D3 that the D300 doesn't (because its differentiation is the DX sensor). Why is the D700 only 5FPS without the grip? Do you believe that the mech can't handle 8FPS (it can with the grip, and is probably just the same as in the D3), has the EXPEED go slower? Neither of those, simply the D700 needs to be slower to differentiate it from the D3.

So the question is, what does there need to be to distinguish between the D300s and the D7000. AF is one thing, it won't have 51 point AF. 7/8 FPS is probably another (though you seem to think it will be 8FPS). But then there doesn't have to be much, because the D300s won't be selling much any way, they probably aren't even making them any more, all it's doing is acting as a place holder for the D400, which will be a mini D4 and will certainly have features to differentiate it from the D7000 (assuming that the D4 has features which the D3 doesn't).
It makes camera larger, meaning D7000 won't be of D90's size.
I doubt it. The prism would be less than 1mm larger in each dimension (if it's larger at all, quite likely the D300 and D90 share the same prism, after all, why make two for 5% difference in size)
If confirmed, the D7000 is actually the D300s' replacement. New 39 point AF, metal body, dual slots, 8fps, etc. The 39 point AF system should have more cross type points, making better than present 51 point AF system in D300s.
But not in 'featureland'.

Actually, you're probably right, in a sense. Either Nikon has massively misjudged what Canon was going to offer with the 60D or they have decided to take on the 60D and the 7D with one model. If the latter, it makes sense in terms of the introduction cycle, but it doesn't mean that there will be no D400, just, as I said before, that they won't (and don't intend to) sell a whole load of D300s's before the D400 is released next year.
And, it won't cost 1200USD for body only, more like 1500USD if Nikon wants to beat 7D.
I suspect the price point will stay more or less the same, the policy is 'kill the 60D on capability, kill the 7D on price'.
This opens 1,800-2,000USD price range for a D90's class FF body. It's coming ...
Not happening, an FX sensor costs too much.
 
That's a pro feature and usually only fits highest level body. The D700 doesn't have it. It makes camera larger, like a D300s.
Pentax K7 has 100% VF is tiny and not expensive.
In fact, could it be that the K7 is what has inspired the D7000?
 
Well, to me it does, I doubt there will be two boies with that kind of spec, it's a bona fide pro feature, only top model carries that for each sensor type, not even D700 at 2,500USD has it.
It's been said, but the D700 doesn't have a 100% viewfinder because that would have put it too close to the D3.
It makes camera larger, meaning D7000 won't be of D90's size.
Not necessarily. The D300 has a 100% viewfinder but the body and prism housing are essentially identical to the D200 which has a 95% viewfinder. The D300 may be slightly taller, but I've used both extensively and the difference is not noticeable in the slightest.
If confirmed, the D7000 is actually the D300s' replacement. New 39 point AF, metal body, dual slots, 8fps, etc. The 39 point AF system should have more cross type points, making better than present 51 point AF system in D300s.
Five cross-types would be enough for me as long as they were spread out. They're all bunched up in the middle on the D300/S, which isn't helpful when tracking something that's not in the center of the frame.
And, it won't cost 1200USD for body only, more like 1500USD if Nikon wants to beat 7D.
That would create an awfully large gap between the next body down in the lineup.
 

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