Rant: Low Advertised Prices

Sheryl Katz

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What's with these camera shops that advertise too good to be true prices on the internet.

Recently I tried to order a Nikon Coolpix 4500, a camera I have been vacillating about buying. First, I ordered it from one place - I don't remember where - that advertised it at a very good but not spectacular price. However, the place had at least decent ratings from those web sites that rate sellers. The web site showed it as being in stock. I got an email confirmation of my order. Two weeks later I called them because I hadn't received it yet "Oh, yeah, it's not in stock they said - don't know when we'll get it."

Then I ordered it from another place. (At the start I asked the shipping charge because I know one of the tricks is to charge a low price but tack on a high shipping charge) This place had a bordering on a too good to be true price. I called them on the phone and talked to the sales person. He said, it was in stock and would ship within three days. Then he started with trying to sell me lots of extras (and the terms of his special deal kept slipping around). Finally we agreed on a deal (although honestly he had me agreeing to a lens that in retrospect I didn't really want). At the end when he was totalling up the price he hit me with a 5% insurance charge. I told him that was rediculous and cancel the order - he said, "wait" and came back and that charge was gone. That was two weeks ago. Today I called them and they said, "Oh yeah, that will ship tomorrow." I said that I had been told it would ship within 3 days, and the guy said that the web site says 10 days before shipping. Well, I went the web site and it says ship within 3 days. I cancelled the order.

OK so I get the bait and switch thing. Try to get you to buy a lot of extra stuff you don't need. But what's the payoff in taking your order and not shipping at all? I buy computer stuff from many low price dealers on the web and the stuff arrives promptly and as expected. What's with these camera dealers?

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I'm from the UK (so there are probably differences) however I tend to factor in after sales service with price - and if they're playing tricks whenever you're buying what on earth will they be like to deal with should anything go wrong? I've dealt with a few people in the UK and some of them I'll probably never deal with again - I hate heavy shipping charges: for example one company charged me $10 shipping a Nikon adapter ring which even though it was next day delivery was harsh - the 1st class next day mail would've been cheaper.

Michael
What's with these camera shops that advertise too good to be true
prices on the internet.

Recently I tried to order a Nikon Coolpix 4500, a camera I have
been vacillating about buying. First, I ordered it from one place
  • I don't remember where - that advertised it at a very good but
not spectacular price. However, the place had at least decent
ratings from those web sites that rate sellers. The web site
showed it as being in stock. I got an email confirmation of my
order. Two weeks later I called them because I hadn't received it
yet "Oh, yeah, it's not in stock they said - don't know when we'll
get it."

Then I ordered it from another place. (At the start I asked the
shipping charge because I know one of the tricks is to charge a low
price but tack on a high shipping charge) This place had a
bordering on a too good to be true price. I called them on the
phone and talked to the sales person. He said, it was in stock and
would ship within three days. Then he started with trying to sell
me lots of extras (and the terms of his special deal kept slipping
around). Finally we agreed on a deal (although honestly he had me
agreeing to a lens that in retrospect I didn't really want). At
the end when he was totalling up the price he hit me with a 5%
insurance charge. I told him that was rediculous and cancel the
order - he said, "wait" and came back and that charge was gone.
That was two weeks ago. Today I called them and they said, "Oh
yeah, that will ship tomorrow." I said that I had been told it
would ship within 3 days, and the guy said that the web site says
10 days before shipping. Well, I went the web site and it says
ship within 3 days. I cancelled the order.

OK so I get the bait and switch thing. Try to get you to buy a lot
of extra stuff you don't need. But what's the payoff in taking
your order and not shipping at all? I buy computer stuff from many
low price dealers on the web and the stuff arrives promptly and as
expected. What's with these camera dealers?

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What's with these camera dealers?
What indeed!

I can't answer that & remain PC. Lets just say that they are not Americans rather parasites that come into this country to purely make as much money as they can with no moral or ethical misgivings.

I've worked in computer mail order and we loved our customers and did our best to give them complete satisfaction.

The prices you see quoted are just out & out lies and everyone should be aware of that. However, the one (and only) benefit is that one woman used a price from one of these places to get Staples to match the price.

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C2100UZ, D600L and that 1.45x teleconverter lens(fits both cameras) Kenko 3X
http://www.pbase.com/ihor/fotographia

 
You never mentioned the exact companies, but my guess is they are in New York (Brooklyn I would guess) and calling them "camera shops" is a compliment! They are basically warehouses, small at that, who throw out the bait for many to nibble on. Similar places existed 30 years ago when I was looking at SLR cameras.

Reseller ratings are usually good if you have enough input. Otherwise I believe the companies enter their own "compliments" to offset negative ratings.

Consider it a lesson learned. Just a short ways up the road is another fish who just spotted the bait.
What's with these camera shops that advertise too good to be true
prices on the internet.

Recently I tried to order a Nikon Coolpix 4500, a camera I have
been vacillating about buying. First, I ordered it from one place
  • I don't remember where - that advertised it at a very good but
not spectacular price. However, the place had at least decent
ratings from those web sites that rate sellers. The web site
showed it as being in stock. I got an email confirmation of my
order. Two weeks later I called them because I hadn't received it
yet "Oh, yeah, it's not in stock they said - don't know when we'll
get it."

Then I ordered it from another place. (At the start I asked the
shipping charge because I know one of the tricks is to charge a low
price but tack on a high shipping charge) This place had a
bordering on a too good to be true price. I called them on the
phone and talked to the sales person. He said, it was in stock and
would ship within three days. Then he started with trying to sell
me lots of extras (and the terms of his special deal kept slipping
around). Finally we agreed on a deal (although honestly he had me
agreeing to a lens that in retrospect I didn't really want). At
the end when he was totalling up the price he hit me with a 5%
insurance charge. I told him that was rediculous and cancel the
order - he said, "wait" and came back and that charge was gone.
That was two weeks ago. Today I called them and they said, "Oh
yeah, that will ship tomorrow." I said that I had been told it
would ship within 3 days, and the guy said that the web site says
10 days before shipping. Well, I went the web site and it says
ship within 3 days. I cancelled the order.

OK so I get the bait and switch thing. Try to get you to buy a lot
of extra stuff you don't need. But what's the payoff in taking
your order and not shipping at all? I buy computer stuff from many
low price dealers on the web and the stuff arrives promptly and as
expected. What's with these camera dealers?

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My rant !!!! (based on life in the USA)

It looks like you still don't have your camera yet. It may or may not show up soon.
If you had purchased it locally, you would have paid more (how much ???)
but:

1. you would be out taking pictures (and not waiting, phoning, checking, re checking)

2. supporting your local camera store ( a place where you can actually feel and play with the camera you are considering)
3. supporting your local economy (jobs, related jobs etc)
4. supporting the local tax base (that pays for schools, fire dept,roads etc)

Until they enact some form of internet sales tax in the USA (same amount reguardless of where you buy frometc) your local merchant is at a large disadvantage say 7 ~ 8 %. The local guy has to charge you for sales tax. If we all just keep buying out of state there will be no sales tax dollars going into the funds --then everyone will complain about the lack of jobs or lack of services in their town......(some states don't charge sales tax but the locals pick up the slack in other taxes)

Rant over !!! Thanks for reading
Just my $.02
Don
 
My rant !!!! (based on life in the USA)
2. supporting your local camera store ( a place where you can
actually feel and play with the camera you are considering)
Rant over !!! Thanks for reading
Just my $.02
Don
Don, I don't have the camera I did decide to kill that order and I am getting another camera from my local store tomorrow. However, with all due respect my "local" stores are two chains, Ritz and one other. My other "local" stores are Circuit City, Best Buy and Fry's. Somehow or other none of these chains is all that great a place to shop. Somehow I don't think my ordering mail order is damaging my local economy vs. buying at these national chains.

Frankly though I'm not all that nostalgic for the days of small local shops. I remember high prices, poor selection and dirty stores. I'll take Borders (or for that matter Amazon) over all but one or two "local" bookstores that used to be around.

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I bought my F100 from Buydig.com and I have nothing but good things to say about them. They were also the cheapest, delivered 5 days earlier than advertised, and no high pressure salesmanship.
 
I'll bet that neither of those shops advertised here (or at Steve's or Imaging-Resources or ....).

I haven't done a lot of shopping on the internet, but when I do, I take a look at the places that advertise here and at other reputable web sites. Phill and other webmasters are going to get rid of the bad actors simply to avoid having to put up with the moaning they otherwise would get.
What's with these camera shops that advertise too good to be true
prices on the internet.

Recently I tried to order a Nikon Coolpix 4500, a camera I have
been vacillating about buying. First, I ordered it from one place
  • I don't remember where - that advertised it at a very good but
not spectacular price. However, the place had at least decent
ratings from those web sites that rate sellers. The web site
showed it as being in stock. I got an email confirmation of my
order. Two weeks later I called them because I hadn't received it
yet "Oh, yeah, it's not in stock they said - don't know when we'll
get it."

Then I ordered it from another place. (At the start I asked the
shipping charge because I know one of the tricks is to charge a low
price but tack on a high shipping charge) This place had a
bordering on a too good to be true price. I called them on the
phone and talked to the sales person. He said, it was in stock and
would ship within three days. Then he started with trying to sell
me lots of extras (and the terms of his special deal kept slipping
around). Finally we agreed on a deal (although honestly he had me
agreeing to a lens that in retrospect I didn't really want). At
the end when he was totalling up the price he hit me with a 5%
insurance charge. I told him that was rediculous and cancel the
order - he said, "wait" and came back and that charge was gone.
That was two weeks ago. Today I called them and they said, "Oh
yeah, that will ship tomorrow." I said that I had been told it
would ship within 3 days, and the guy said that the web site says
10 days before shipping. Well, I went the web site and it says
ship within 3 days. I cancelled the order.

OK so I get the bait and switch thing. Try to get you to buy a lot
of extra stuff you don't need. But what's the payoff in taking
your order and not shipping at all? I buy computer stuff from many
low price dealers on the web and the stuff arrives promptly and as
expected. What's with these camera dealers?

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Sheryl

It's hard to believe that in an area that can support a Circuit City, Best Buy and a Fry's that there are no camera stores that are clean and well lit !!! Maybe they all went out of business because they could not compete with "lowball", no services websites!!!! I personally enjoy talking to the sales person at my local casmera store and getting updates and advise and being able to look at and see what I'm buying. But that's just me......

Maybe Starbucks can ship me a low fat,double grande, mocha frapacino via UPS ---lid is extra of course !!!
Don
with all due respect my "local" stores are two chains, Ritz and one
other. My other "local" stores are Circuit City, Best Buy and
Fry's. Somehow or other none of these chains is all that great a
place to shop. Somehow I don't think my ordering mail order is
damaging my local economy vs. buying at these national chains.

Frankly though I'm not all that nostalgic for the days of small
local shops. I remember high prices, poor selection and dirty
stores. I'll take Borders (or for that matter Amazon) over all but
one or two "local" bookstores that used to be around.

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I ordered a camcorder from buydig - no pressure, shipped faster than expected (expected this coming Friday or next Monday; actually arrived at FedEx yesterday, but FedEx didn't deliver until today). Price wasn't the absolute lowest, but it was very good, about 30% less than retail. I would love to shop at local stores, but I just can't justify it for an item like a camera - one c700 should be the same as another.

Davia
C-700
pbase supporter
http://www.pbase.com/dmlove
 
Sheryl
It's hard to believe that in an area that can support a Circuit
City, Best Buy and a Fry's that there are no camera stores that are
clean and well lit !!! Maybe they all went out of business because
they could not compete with "lowball", no services websites!!!! I
personally enjoy talking to the sales person at my local casmera
store and getting updates and advise and being able to look at and
see what I'm buying. But that's just me......
Maybe Starbucks can ship me a low fat,double grande, mocha
frapacino via UPS ---lid is extra of course !!!
Don
I live in the West San Fernando Valley. This is the land of chain stores - there are barely even any restaurants that aren't chains. The only "local" camera store that isn't a chain is Canoga Camera. When i went there looking for the Nikon 4500 it was out of stock and the asking price was pretty high. Canoga Camera by the way is pretty dark and doesn't seem to keep that much in stock. The other "local" stores are Hooper Camera, but again that's a pretty big chain. I did just buy a camera from them.

Sherry
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Good luck and have fun with your new toy.....If it should develope a problem (I hope not) now you have a real person to scream at and get quick results....
Don
 
I disagree and here's why!

Everybody jumped onto the Internet bandwagon, charged retail and they all failed.

Let me ask you something,
Does Amazon have warehouses full of books electronics etc.
The answer is of course, No!

Everything is drop shipped, showing amazon as the shipper. Who carries the warehousing costs? Ingram does.

So I want cost + 3 or 4%. Having sold software for 15 years I know all the ins & outs of buying from wholesalers and the costs associated with selling those items to the public!

Boy Oh Boy, I wish Ingram did Cameras!!
I haven't done a lot of shopping on the internet, but when I do, I
take a look at the places that advertise here and at other
reputable web sites. Phill and other webmasters are going to get
rid of the bad actors simply to avoid having to put up with the
moaning they otherwise would get.
What's with these camera shops that advertise too good to be true
prices on the internet.

Recently I tried to order a Nikon Coolpix 4500, a camera I have
been vacillating about buying. First, I ordered it from one place
  • I don't remember where - that advertised it at a very good but
not spectacular price. However, the place had at least decent
ratings from those web sites that rate sellers. The web site
showed it as being in stock. I got an email confirmation of my
order. Two weeks later I called them because I hadn't received it
yet "Oh, yeah, it's not in stock they said - don't know when we'll
get it."

Then I ordered it from another place. (At the start I asked the
shipping charge because I know one of the tricks is to charge a low
price but tack on a high shipping charge) This place had a
bordering on a too good to be true price. I called them on the
phone and talked to the sales person. He said, it was in stock and
would ship within three days. Then he started with trying to sell
me lots of extras (and the terms of his special deal kept slipping
around). Finally we agreed on a deal (although honestly he had me
agreeing to a lens that in retrospect I didn't really want). At
the end when he was totalling up the price he hit me with a 5%
insurance charge. I told him that was rediculous and cancel the
order - he said, "wait" and came back and that charge was gone.
That was two weeks ago. Today I called them and they said, "Oh
yeah, that will ship tomorrow." I said that I had been told it
would ship within 3 days, and the guy said that the web site says
10 days before shipping. Well, I went the web site and it says
ship within 3 days. I cancelled the order.

OK so I get the bait and switch thing. Try to get you to buy a lot
of extra stuff you don't need. But what's the payoff in taking
your order and not shipping at all? I buy computer stuff from many
low price dealers on the web and the stuff arrives promptly and as
expected. What's with these camera dealers?

--

--
C2100UZ, D600L and that 1.45x teleconverter lens(fits both cameras) Kenko 3X
http://www.pbase.com/ihor/fotographia

 
(off camera subject, but typical of best buy)

best buy is getting bad about this

tried selling component (Y,pr,pb) cables for a 27" 6 year old tv, super controllers, remotes, inflated memory, and extended warrenty for an X-box to a spanish friend of mine, preying on is lack of englaish skills.

Sales person was not too happy when I showed up and started saying, no, no. no, no, no
Then he started with trying to sell me lots of extras
That sounds like Best Buy, when I bought my computer. The sale went
through, but I had to say No, No, No, No, No!
 
In my home town, the sole camera store closed shop long before the mall (with a Circuit City) was built. The nearest camera store--for that matter, the nearest studio photographer (not counting Sears) is 40 miles away.
with all due respect my "local" stores are two chains, Ritz and one
other. My other "local" stores are Circuit City, Best Buy and
Fry's. Somehow or other none of these chains is all that great a
place to shop. Somehow I don't think my ordering mail order is
damaging my local economy vs. buying at these national chains.

Frankly though I'm not all that nostalgic for the days of small
local shops. I remember high prices, poor selection and dirty
stores. I'll take Borders (or for that matter Amazon) over all but
one or two "local" bookstores that used to be around.

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RDKirk

'I know you're smarter than I am. But I think you're making up some of those words.' Rocky Rooster from 'Chicken Run'
 
Internet sales are only 2-3 percent of the retail economy, and only in niche markets (those that were already strong in mail order sales) at that. People have been buying cameras from the New York stores by mail order for decades; all that's happened is that the mail order volume has shifted to the Internet.

What's killing the local stores are the local chains, not the Internet. Places liike Borders killed the local bookstore, not Amazon.com.

I do not agree that an Internet sales tax is needed--if anything, the Internet enables many more Ma-n-Pa shops to become moneymakers that pay income taxes on profits that would not have otherwise existed.

Camera sales were usually not the major part of any small-town camera store's business. Most were also photographers who lost out to local cut-rate competition (Sears again). Otherwise, anything a guy in one state can do over the Internet, so can a guy in your state.

"You live and learn or you don't live long." --Lazarus Long
 
The scammers will find every available opportunity to thieve money from a victim's pocket while disguising their real motives by telling people "I'm sorry, but the previous quoted figure I gave you for shipping on the Dimage 7Hi camera is wrong", among other lies.
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