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wy2lam said:
Despite its ergonomics not suitable for my use, Minolta and Olympus were among my favourite camera makers because they along with Pentax innovate more often than C&N.

But since S0ny took over, Minolta lost everything it once stood for, and it seems we might be seeing some of it back in A55.

So hopefully the S0ny marketing drones are finally seeing the light and releasing good Minolta engineers from their claws.
kuuan said:
BRAVO Sony,
finally a Sony product with the innovative Minolta past shining through
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That's cool, if there is anything you don't like, blame it on Sony, if there is anything you do like, it's Minolta. My wife does that with me; anything I do wrong, is my fault, anything I do right, is because of her. ;)

Thank you
Russell

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Good one ;)
Russell Evans said:
wy2lam said:
Despite its ergonomics not suitable for my use, Minolta and Olympus were among my favourite camera makers because they along with Pentax innovate more often than C&N.

But since S0ny took over, Minolta lost everything it once stood for, and it seems we might be seeing some of it back in A55.

So hopefully the S0ny marketing drones are finally seeing the light and releasing good Minolta engineers from their claws.
kuuan said:
BRAVO Sony,
finally a Sony product with the innovative Minolta past shining through
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That's cool, if there is anything you don't like, blame it on Sony, if there is anything you do like, it's Minolta. My wife does that with me; anything I do wrong, is my fault, anything I do right, is because of her. ;)

Thank you
Russell

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http://waorak.tripod.com/
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The sony design team has been asleep for too long.

Now the NEX 5 ~ plus an HD Video camera using the NEX lenses... And now the A55 camera with it's innovative rethinking of the mirror design.

Would I buy either one of these 'new' designs on the first go round... no. But by the next model release, when the bugs are worked out and improvements are made they will both be very interesting cameras.

LENSES ~ Plus they have just announced an 85mm 2.8 for $250 plus a 35mm 1.8 for $200... Another company along with Nikon and Canon that seem to realize the need for 'entry priced' prime lenses.
Hoya, your $500 dollar primes are not the only answer...

Reading all of us Pentax Enthusiasts going on and on about how some things are not good with this new Sony just makes me giggle like a little girl.

If this same body had a PENTAX across the top of it, many of those same folks would be going on and on about how Pentax has changed the game, and how any issues could be addressed with firmware... haha
We all know how good Hoya/Pentax are at addressing issues!

A $200 35mm 1.8 & 85mm 2.8 for $250 ~ I am waiting Hoya

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Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
 
So? It's doing so with more details retained than those cameras you claimed as not applying NR in RAW.

Big deal. I'll pick the body that retains the most details. If Pentax did it with NR in RAW, it only shows how good their NR is, because it seemingly retains more details than those no-NR RAW files at high ISO.
zepzr said:
yana36 said:
Give me a link from dxo where they investigate NR in RAW...:)
DxO is not authority for me. It's 3Dmark from photography. And nothing else.
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Check any Pentax camera on dxomark and with ISO 3200 Pentax cameras are labeled as smoothed -- i.e NR to RAW

http://www.dxomark.com/index.php/en/Camera-Sensor/All-tested-sensors/Pentax/Kx
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wy2lam said:
kuuan said:
BRAVO Sony,
finally a Sony product with the innovative Minolta past shining through

I think this will be a great camera in actual use
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wy2lam wrote:
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wy2lam said:
Despite its ergonomics not suitable for my use, Minolta and Olympus were among my favorite camera makers because they along with Pentax innovate more often than C&N....
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the Konica Minolta A2 ( not an dSLR, but a bridge ) was the best handling camera I ever had the joy of using! ( and I thought and remember users marvelling that their Maxxum 5d and 7D dSLR had just as good ergonomics, but I wouldn't know from own experience )

That K.M A2 had made me aware of all the advantages, yes, the many advantages of a good electronic viewfinder, albeit their are some disadvantages too

and I won't now come back to explain what I mean with advantages of EV. The people who have used a good EV know what I am talking about, and those who haven't, very likely don't, and won't be convinced by arguments but one day will find out themselves ;-)

and wy2lam I agree with what I did not quote from your post, but I try to avoid another futile argument ;-)
Britney Elvis said:
The sony design team has been asleep for too long.

Now the NEX 5 ~ plus an HD Video camera using the NEX lenses... And now the A55 camera with it's innovative rethinking of the mirror design.

Would I buy either one of these 'new' designs on the first go round... no. But by the next model release, when the bugs are worked out and improvements are made they will both be very interesting cameras.

LENSES ~ Plus they have just announced an 85mm 2.8 for $250 plus a 35mm 1.8 for $200... Another company along with Nikon and Canon that seem to realize the need for 'entry priced' prime lenses.
Hoya, your $500 dollar primes are not the only answer...

Reading all of us Pentax Enthusiasts going on and on about how some things are not good with this new Sony just makes me giggle like a little girl.

If this same body had a PENTAX across the top of it, many of those same folks would be going on and on about how Pentax has changed the game, and how any issues could be addressed with firmware... haha
We all know how good Hoya/Pentax are at addressing issues!

A $200 35mm 1.8 & 85mm 2.8 for $250 ~ I am waiting Hoya

--
'Nothing is worse than active ignorance'

Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
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haha, well spoken Britney :-)
and wow, f1.8/35mm for 200$

now let's sit back and wait for all the posts telling us, even though nobody has been able to try it out, that it never will be comparable to any Pentax lens :-)
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http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/andreasgriesmayr
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=kuuan
 
Britney Elvis said:
If this same body had a PENTAX across the top of it, many of those same folks would be going on and on about how Pentax has changed the game, and how any issues could be addressed with firmware... haha
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Come on now, you're being unfair. You know Lady Gazooma and soon to be CANIKONTAXsonyIAN would be totally unimpressed if it had Pentax written on it.
Britney Elvis said:
We all know how good Hoya/Pentax are at addressing issues!
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The addressed that nagging profit issue that's for sure.
Britney Elvis said:
A $200 35mm 1.8 & 85mm 2.8 for $250 ~ I am waiting Hoya
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I'm not sure if your $450 is worth the effort? ;)

Thank you
Russell

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http://waorak.tripod.com/
 
haha, very well spoken Britney :-)

other mirrorless were a NO, because it's slow contrast detect autofocus

now this one has phase detect autofocus, but oh, now high ISO is compromised, a NO NO

some photographers also will understand that there are different systems, different cameras with different strengths and weaknesses, and that it is great to have more choices, another new choice, and be happy.

some will always only see what it is not, compared to others which have it.
giggling, smiling, is the best reaction to that...;-)

and wow, f1.8/35mm for 200$

now let's sit back and wait for all the posts telling us, even though nobody has been able to try it out, that it never will be comparable to any Pentax lens :-)

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http://flickr.com/photos/kuuan/
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/andreasgriesmayr
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=kuuan
 
Britney Elvis said:
The sony design team has been asleep for too long.

Now the NEX 5 ~ plus an HD Video camera using the NEX lenses... And now the A55 camera with it's innovative rethinking of the mirror design.

Would I buy either one of these 'new' designs on the first go round... no. But by the next model release, when the bugs are worked out and improvements are made they will both be very interesting cameras.

LENSES ~ Plus they have just announced an 85mm 2.8 for $250 plus a 35mm 1.8 for $200... Another company along with Nikon and Canon that seem to realize the need for 'entry priced' prime lenses.
Hoya, your $500 dollar primes are not the only answer...

Reading all of us Pentax Enthusiasts going on and on about how some things are not good with this new Sony just makes me giggle like a little girl.

If this same body had a PENTAX across the top of it, many of those same folks would be going on and on about how Pentax has changed the game, and how any issues could be addressed with firmware... haha
We all know how good Hoya/Pentax are at addressing issues!

A $200 35mm 1.8 & 85mm 2.8 for $250 ~ I am waiting Hoya

--
'Nothing is worse than active ignorance'

Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
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Those lenses are are unbelievable in regards to pricing, I don't think Pentax has can compete with that, but they ought to try :)

I am interested in what you find so compelling with the A55?

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MY PPG
K10D, K-7

Pentax: DA15/4, DA21/3.2, FA31/1.8, FA43/1.9, FA77/1.8, F135/2.8, FA*28-70/2.8, FA*80-200/2.8
Sigma Zooms: Sigma 100-300 F4

'Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well-preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming... 'Wow! What a ride!'

 
Russell Evans said:
My wife does that with me; anything I do wrong, is my fault, anything I do right, is > because of her. ;)

Thank you
Russell
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Russell, she is absolutely correct beyond any shadow of a doubt. Your wife's statement is also the only relevant statement in this whole thread.

And just how do I know? Because the person standing right behind my chair said so.
She also says, "And don't you forget it!"
SK
 
pcarfan said:
Britney Elvis said:
The sony design team has been asleep for too long.

Now the NEX 5 ~ plus an HD Video camera using the NEX lenses... And now the A55 camera with it's innovative rethinking of the mirror design.

Would I buy either one of these 'new' designs on the first go round... no. But by the next model release, when the bugs are worked out and improvements are made they will both be very interesting cameras.

LENSES ~ Plus they have just announced an 85mm 2.8 for $250 plus a 35mm 1.8 for $200... Another company along with Nikon and Canon that seem to realize the need for 'entry priced' prime lenses.
Hoya, your $500 dollar primes are not the only answer...

Reading all of us Pentax Enthusiasts going on and on about how some things are not good with this new Sony just makes me giggle like a little girl.

If this same body had a PENTAX across the top of it, many of those same folks would be going on and on about how Pentax has changed the game, and how any issues could be addressed with firmware... haha
We all know how good Hoya/Pentax are at addressing issues!

A $200 35mm 1.8 & 85mm 2.8 for $250 ~ I am waiting Hoya

--
'Nothing is worse than active ignorance'

Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
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Those lenses are are unbelievable in regards to pricing, I don't think Pentax has can compete with that, but they ought to try :)

I am interested in what you find so compelling with the A55?

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MY PPG
K10D, K-7

Pentax: DA15/4, DA21/3.2, FA31/1.8, FA43/1.9, FA77/1.8, F135/2.8, FA*28-70/2.8, FA*80-200/2.8
Sigma Zooms: Sigma 100-300 F4

'Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well-preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming... 'Wow! What a ride!'

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Please disregard that question.

Thanks!

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MY PPG
K10D, K-7

Pentax: DA15/4, DA21/3.2, FA31/1.8, FA43/1.9, FA77/1.8, F135/2.8, FA*28-70/2.8, FA*80-200/2.8
Sigma Zooms: Sigma 100-300 F4

'Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well-preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming... 'Wow! What a ride!'

 
pcarfan said:
pcarfan said:
Britney Elvis said:
The sony design team has been asleep for too long.

Now the NEX 5 ~ plus an HD Video camera using the NEX lenses... And now the A55 camera with it's innovative rethinking of the mirror design.

Would I buy either one of these 'new' designs on the first go round... no. But by the next model release, when the bugs are worked out and improvements are made they will both be very interesting cameras.

LENSES ~ Plus they have just announced an 85mm 2.8 for $250 plus a 35mm 1.8 for $200... Another company along with Nikon and Canon that seem to realize the need for 'entry priced' prime lenses.
Hoya, your $500 dollar primes are not the only answer...

Reading all of us Pentax Enthusiasts going on and on about how some things are not good with this new Sony just makes me giggle like a little girl.

If this same body had a PENTAX across the top of it, many of those same folks would be going on and on about how Pentax has changed the game, and how any issues could be addressed with firmware... haha
We all know how good Hoya/Pentax are at addressing issues!

A $200 35mm 1.8 & 85mm 2.8 for $250 ~ I am waiting Hoya

--
'Nothing is worse than active ignorance'

Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
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Those lenses are are unbelievable in regards to pricing, I don't think Pentax has can compete with that, but they ought to try :)

I am interested in what you find so compelling with the A55?

--
MY PPG
K10D, K-7

Pentax: DA15/4, DA21/3.2, FA31/1.8, FA43/1.9, FA77/1.8, F135/2.8, FA*28-70/2.8, FA*80-200/2.8
Sigma Zooms: Sigma 100-300 F4

'Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well-preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming... 'Wow! What a ride!'

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Please disregard that question.

Thanks!
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Oh wait, yes I will.... Done! 8^)





Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
 
Hey! that was QUICK.....the images are nice, but I expected something with iso6400 as a jab to a K-7 owner, but you are not all that predictable.
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MY PPG
K10D, K-7

Pentax: DA15/4, DA21/3.2, FA31/1.8, FA43/1.9, FA77/1.8, F135/2.8, FA*28-70/2.8, FA*80-200/2.8
Sigma Zooms: Sigma 100-300 F4

'Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well-preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming... 'Wow! What a ride!'

 
Britney Elvis said:
And now the A55 camera with it's innovative rethinking of the mirror design.
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Yes, very innovative.

So innovative that the idea was stolen from the Olympus E hybrid camera long ago.

Yes, Olympus had a super-zoom camera with the very same semi-transparent mirror system idea. Very innovative of Sony to re-use an old idea...

The drawback of the idea is that the sensor needs to be amplified to make up for the light loss. This means that the A55 is not performing at high ISO as good as it would do with a standard mirror design.
Britney Elvis said:
A $200 35mm 1.8 & 85mm 2.8 for $250 ~ I am waiting Hoya
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Some wants plastic prime lenses with plastic lens mounts. Some others do not.

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Raphael Mabo said:
Britney Elvis said:
And now the A55 camera with it's innovative rethinking of the mirror design.
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Yes, very innovative.

So innovative that the idea was stolen from the Olympus E hybrid camera long ago.
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It's nothing like Olymopus that still required mirror flap. Every review has called it innovative but a Pentax fanboy can't even make himself to acknowlege even that. Amazing.
Raphael Mabo said:
The drawback of the idea is that the sensor needs to be amplified to make up for the light loss.
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The high ISO is still class leading according to dpr review. Too bad you can't say that for K7.
Raphael Mabo said:
This means that the A55 is not performing at high ISO as good as it would do with a standard mirror design.
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And there is also A580 with the same sensor and a standard mirror design. So there are choiices available for A-mount for those who want phase detect AF in video, compact size, and EVF, and those who want standard design. Too bad you don't for K-mount.
 
personally i dont see any interesting camera for advanced or semipro. i use sometime microt third and i like but a camera like k7 is unbeatable for serious shooting.

id like more lenses from penta but personally i prefer to buy more expensive lenses that are made like pentax do...these new lenses from sony are awful estetically and made with cheap plastic.

considering their price 200 and more dollar i have to say that the new prices that pentax are asking for pancakes are in part justified by the quality.

i remember the pancake 40 2,8 s ell at 240 dollar at bh or the fa 43 at 400...compared to those plastic lenses it's clear the new prices are justified.
Britney Elvis said:
The sony design team has been asleep for too long.

Now the NEX 5 ~ plus an HD Video camera using the NEX lenses... And now the A55 camera with it's innovative rethinking of the mirror design.

Would I buy either one of these 'new' designs on the first go round... no. But by the next model release, when the bugs are worked out and improvements are made they will both be very interesting cameras.

LENSES ~ Plus they have just announced an 85mm 2.8 for $250 plus a 35mm 1.8 for $200... Another company along with Nikon and Canon that seem to realize the need for 'entry priced' prime lenses.
Hoya, your $500 dollar primes are not the only answer...

Reading all of us Pentax Enthusiasts going on and on about how some things are not good with this new Sony just makes me giggle like a little girl.

If this same body had a PENTAX across the top of it, many of those same folks would be going on and on about how Pentax has changed the game, and how any issues could be addressed with firmware... haha
We all know how good Hoya/Pentax are at addressing issues!

A $200 35mm 1.8 & 85mm 2.8 for $250 ~ I am waiting Hoya

--
'Nothing is worse than active ignorance'

Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
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pcarfan said:
Hey! that was QUICK.....the images are nice, but I expected something with iso6400 as a jab to a K-7 owner, but you are not all that predictable.
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Here is a link I thought was interesting in the OLY forum. From someone who has actually used it albeit briefly at the product launch.

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1022&message=36121415

I am not saying this first generation is the answer, but it sure is an interesting direction that sony has headed in, and lets be honest, the Sony Dslr line has been fairly predictable for some time.

Ps... me and my little kx is just jealous of your K7... you have to know that!

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'Nothing is worse than active ignorance'

Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
 
just a simple suggestion ignore it..i did and life is better and forum more livable..he has no gallery no post with a single photo..is clealry paid by sony to do this in a forum considring that he's year from 4 to 8 hours per day.
wy2lam said:
Why every time a S0ny enters the discussino, you always come and try to turn it into a S0ny vs Pentax argument? How many S0ny shares do you own, seriously?

To put an end to the argument - every Sony (or Minolta for that matter) DSLR I've tried don't hold a candle to Pentax in terms of ergonomics. On paper they might be fantastic. In real use...clumsy. I have not experienced the same when I'm using Nik0n's system, FWIW.

Just my personal opinion of course.

And come back when there's a S0ny DSLR that can let us mount the FA31.
zepzr said:
Pete Dee said:
zepzr said:
Pete Dee said:
no detail above ISO should be a deal breaker for any sensible person,
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you are lying .. the word used isn't "no detail" but "Visible loss of detail over ISO 400 (which would be ISO 800) in jpegs due to stronger NR (RAW has no NR).
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Visible loss of detail in such an amazing camera, you can have them all, I don't want one thanks.
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Are you claiming there are no visible loss of detail on Pentax cameras at IO 800 compared to ISO 200/100? Pardon me while I laugh. Want me to post examples from IR?
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