Will there be no more D2x type (DX) bodies in the near future?
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No more D2X type DX bodies?
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Who knows. My guess: there will be no more bodies like that.
But what's wrong with the D300s? It's better than the D2xs as far as I can tell from the reviews. Surely NIkon will make more pro DX bodies that are similar to the D300s. I like the smaller size of the D300s, since it does not have a non-removable vertical grip like the D2x.
Also, from what I can tell the D2x and D2xs are nearly flawless DX DSLRs, so why not just use those for the next decade and be happy with them?
Personally I think the sensor noise of the D2x and D2xs bodies is perfectly acceptable, even at ISO 1600. So that is not an issue with me. I know it is for some people, but not me.
Also, the D3x in DX mode is 10.4 megapixels. 10.4 mp is close enough to 12mp (ala D2x/xs) that you're not going to notice the difference all that much. So you could view the D3x as the "updated version" of the D2xs, with any associated noise improvements and color improvements that go along with the D3x.
But what's wrong with the D300s? It's better than the D2xs as far as I can tell from the reviews. Surely NIkon will make more pro DX bodies that are similar to the D300s. I like the smaller size of the D300s, since it does not have a non-removable vertical grip like the D2x.
Also, from what I can tell the D2x and D2xs are nearly flawless DX DSLRs, so why not just use those for the next decade and be happy with them?
Personally I think the sensor noise of the D2x and D2xs bodies is perfectly acceptable, even at ISO 1600. So that is not an issue with me. I know it is for some people, but not me.
Also, the D3x in DX mode is 10.4 megapixels. 10.4 mp is close enough to 12mp (ala D2x/xs) that you're not going to notice the difference all that much. So you could view the D3x as the "updated version" of the D2xs, with any associated noise improvements and color improvements that go along with the D3x.
Yes, FX will be the standard for mid to high end products. While D300s is a very good mid level model, DX sensors will be used for mid to lower end products. There is a chance that the DX might be phased out when the FX manufacturing cost reduces dramatically. M4/3 or similar stuff could be the future DX replacement.
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It's been years since the D2Xs were a current model. I think Nikon would have released a pro DX body if they wanted to. I often see D300s with a grip, so there is an interest, maybe not enough? I have moved on to the D3S, but I still enjoy my D2X. It's currently in for repairs because I believe it's the last of the DX pro bodies.
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If you like a big body like that you may as well go FX.
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eNo
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I hope you don't mean that "big body" is all this discussion is about? What about impact resistance, weather sealing, vertical grip, etc? Should there not be a DX body that offers these advantages to, say, the outdoors wildlife shooter or sports photographer that wants to take advantage of the DX crop factor focal range magnification?
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rayman 2
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in a small package not bigger then your hand plus lens and with a fraction of
the lb that the d2x had with probably better high iso performance in the entry level model.... the D3100 .... also with Hd video....and live view....
Not interesting for a pro ?
Well think again ! They might kick you out of a place where you go with
D2x but you might not have a problem with a realy small camera.
For those who need rugged and weatherseal there will be something
out alongside what is now the D300s.....
Thats what is called evolution...
Peter
the lb that the d2x had with probably better high iso performance in the entry level model.... the D3100 .... also with Hd video....and live view....
Not interesting for a pro ?
Well think again ! They might kick you out of a place where you go with
D2x but you might not have a problem with a realy small camera.
For those who need rugged and weatherseal there will be something
out alongside what is now the D300s.....
Thats what is called evolution...
Peter
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No one (in the normal world outside this forum) looks at a DSLR and thinks, "real small camera." Anyone with a DSLR hanging from his/her neck sticks out like a sore thumb. From 10 feet away and further, few people would be able to tell whether you're carrying a D90, D700 or D3s.
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Kaj E
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You get all of that in a "big body" FX camera. And as has been said you can shoot your FX camera in DX crop mode. With the inevitable increase in pixel amount you will not be missing a DX camera for these bodies.
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cosmicnode
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Crop factor on D3x is 10.5mp and on D3 5.1mp, both below the D2x's 12mp The o/p wants the ruggedness and other advantages of a full sized body with the best in DX sensors, with DX you still need to crop at times even with long lenses. In FX the D700 is a "lightweight" D3, the D300 has nothing to compare with above it, ie D3dx. Next generation Dx sensors are likely to be 16mp and above, when fitted to a full size body many sports and wildelife photographers would be interested. Compare with Canon, they have pro Fx and 1.3 crop sensor Pro bodies.
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rayman 2
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a D3100 with a 50 1,4 G is a pretty small unit compared to a bulky largeNo one (in the normal world outside this forum) looks at a DSLR and thinks, "real small camera." Anyone with a DSLR hanging from his/her neck sticks out like a sore thumb. From 10 feet away and further, few people would be able to tell whether you're carrying a D90, D700 or D3s.
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D2x..... about half the size and not very much larger then the four thirds units.....
Image wise you will be better off though with the new generation of cameras
even more with the d90 successor.....
You will probably get D700 quality or even better.....with the d90 successor.. ; )
Peter
Yes that is my thinking also. I have a D200 and D2x, the VF is much better on the D2x and the battery seems to last forever in the D2x. I would think that there is a market for a DX 16MP D2x type body for bird/wildlife/sport shooter for $3000 or so. I much prefer a bigger rugged camera and don't mind the weight.
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If the rumored specs of the D95 are correct - 16 mp, magnesium body, 6-8 fps, 39 AF-points, 1080p video w AF, etc, I dont see much room for even a update to the D300S.
The D95 might be the new top DX (altough D300s will stay in the lineup for a while longer) and the real replacement for the D300 will be an FF. The new 24-120 and 28-300 seem to be made for "affordable" FF.
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That assumes that DX cameras will not also increase in pixel counts. The only way today that I can get close to the DX 12MP count with a FX camera is to own the outrageously expensive D3X -- every other FX Nikon camera gives me less MP in crop mode than the available DX I can get today. Now, if DX never increases in MP (it just did!... to 14MP), then yes, FX will keep increasing in MP, and its crop will give me DX. But who says DX won't keep growing in MP as well, so that I still can't get a DX pixel count from the FX crop? That is of course, unless I am to be satisfied with the DX MP count from 2-3-5 years ago.
Bottom line: none of this argues against a professional build DX body.
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That only makes sense if "affordable" actually means "price that people who by the D300 today can afford." IOW, Prices for the bottom-of-the-line FF DSLRS must come down to levels that a larger group of buyers can actually afford . Otherwise Nikon will be selling fewer cameras, and I can promise you, they have no interest in doing so. As has been discussed before, yes, eventually FF prices will come down... but we're not there yet. FF sensors are just too expensive to manufacture.
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sandy b
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But I would think the limited sales of a D2x type body would hardly justify its creation.
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Crop mode in an FX camera is a joke. Why would you pay thousands of dollars for a camera that has the teeny tiny viewfinder you get in crop mode. Unfortunately, the times you want crop mode are when you want reach which is when you MOST need a large viewfinder. Using crop mode to make an FX camera work for things like large field sports (where you need reach and a quality viewfinder) is a joke. No serious action sports photographer is going to think that crop mode is an appropriate solution.
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rayman 2
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What is a professional build body ?That assumes that DX cameras will not also increase in pixel counts. The only way today that I can get close to the DX 12MP count with a FX camera is to own the outrageously expensive D3X -- every other FX Nikon camera gives me less MP in crop mode than the available DX I can get today. Now, if DX never increases in MP (it just did!... to 14MP), then yes, FX will keep increasing in MP, and its crop will give me DX. But who says DX won't keep growing in MP as well, so that I still can't get a DX pixel count from the FX crop? That is of course, unless I am to be satisfied with the DX MP count from 2-3-5 years ago.
Bottom line: none of this argues against a professional build DX body.
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I got icecream onto my D700 and it went right inside the ai lever of the
body and it is now stuck. it cost me 120 $ to get repaired...... there is nothing like
full sealing of a camera body.
I even managed to break the metal structure of an Fm2 10 years ago when
the tripod tipped over and the camera fell onto the side.....
Got a basketball onto my zoomlens 2 days ago... needs repair now.
Cameras and lenses nowadays are pretty delicate goods nowadays
quite an amount of money goes into repairs every year and thats just normal for
a working pro......
Peter
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