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Should we expect a very small FF camera with EVF?

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Nordstjernen said:
A full frame body as small or smaller than the A5500/550 and an excellent electronic viewfinder would really be something!
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Perhaps--if the logic of these three separate ranges holds beyond the 5 level--and I kind of think it will! Maybe a NEX 9 too!
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Dulaney
A700; SAL 50 f1.4; SAL 18-250; CZ 85 f1.4
 
Yes, perhaps "hope for" rather than "expect". but I am a little puzzled by the post. This has been discussed/lusted after many times here and in the NEX forum)
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Mike Fewster
Adelaide Australia
 
i do not know if we can expect that but such camera will be the only one i like to buy in the future .
  • a ff sensor of the newest generation (back lighted or better : non bayer )
  • lighter than my A900
  • tilt evf
  • articulated lcd screen
  • life view (before shooting !)
  • video
  • accepts my Zeiss A lenses etc...
guido
 
Current E mount lenses are built for APS-c sized lenses only
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Mark K
 
1D's and D3's are very professional because they are heavy bricks and lack a built in flash. They are also so expensive that only amateurs will buy them if they can afford somebody who carries the equipment. Or well earning pros who sweat for money.

A900 is less professional because it is less expensive and less heavy. Enthusiasts can carry it by their own. And of course, A850 is less professional.

A700 is middle class because it has a built in flash. And it is still a brick. Any differences in sensor size are negligible.

All others are entry class. Does not matter if one has better high ISO performance as an upper class cam. And some of them have life view which is totally unprofessional. A pro has to use an angle adapter !

And now you want a pretty small FF camera ? That will be a totally unprofessional entry class camera !
 
goetz48 said:
1D's and D3's are very professional because they are heavy bricks and lack a built in flash. They are also so expensive that only amateurs will buy them if they can afford somebody who carries the equipment. Or well earning pros who sweat for money.

A900 is less professional because it is less expensive and less heavy. Enthusiasts can carry it by their own. And of course, A850 is less professional.

A700 is middle class because it has a built in flash. And it is still a brick. Any differences in sensor size are negligible.

All others are entry class. Does not matter if one has better high ISO performance as an upper class cam. And some of them have life view which is totally unprofessional. A pro has to use an angle adapter !

And now you want a pretty small FF camera ? That will be a totally unprofessional entry class camera !
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LOL :)
 
1. Nobody mentioned E-mount explicitly.

2. AFAIK E-mount has the same diameter as A-mount. So ff lenses in E-mount should be possible as well.
 
A900 with vertical grip is heavier than 3Ds. It's a real brick!

I rather prefer the big ones once fit better in my hands although they catch much more attention when I'm in public.
An A900 and 70-400 with hood is magnetic...everybody torwards eyes on you!
Gilberto
 
it follows that the nex 9 will not happen soon due to the need to design completely new ff lenses - however there´s no reason we won´t see the a77 and a99, and following sonys´methodology of late , sooner rather than later - this makes me think of the article where they introduced the nex team- all of those engineers were under 40, and they´re on a winning streak - it looks like the alpha team is following suit
 
I'm using FF lenses Contax lenses on my NEX.

Putting a FF sensor behind them instead of an APS-C sensor doesn't seem like too much of a stretch.

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A rose by any other name is still a chicken.
 
kurth said:
it follows that the nex 9 will not happen soon due to the need to design completely new ff lenses - however there´s no reason we won´t see the a77 and a99, and following sonys´methodology of late , sooner rather than later - this makes me think of the article where they introduced the nex team- all of those engineers were under 40, and they´re on a winning streak - it looks like the alpha team is following suit
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I'm ready to put my order in for a full frame a99, with fully functional A mount and backward compatibility.
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TC
 
I want one!!!!
Guido FORRIER said:
i do not know if we can expect that but such camera will be the only one i like to buy in the future .
  • a ff sensor of the newest generation (back lighted or better : non bayer )
  • lighter than my A900
  • tilt evf
  • articulated lcd screen
  • life view (before shooting !)
  • video
  • accepts my Zeiss A lenses etc...
guido
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JP (Somerset, UK) http://www.pbase.com/mediman30
'Be a reason for someone else's happiness...Life is beautiful!'
 
A new sensor with more sophisticated micro-lenses would be required for a FF 'NEX' & built-in image correction would be preferable with image correction parameters built into the lens ROMs.

In-body stabilisation would require a slightly thicker body , with an eye level EVF, which could be slightly larger than the current NEXs - this would keep the FF lenses down to a reasonable size. Lenses should be mainly high quality primes but with a short stabilised standard zoom + there could be a longer stabilised/silent zoom as a concession for Video users.

The body needs to break away from conventional DSLR type dumpy bodies & be more rangfinder in style with a conventional flash hot-shoe & height extenders for the flashes in order to give sufficient clearance for the avoidance of lens shadows in the images. Sounds much like a Sony M9 & why not ??
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Keith-C
 
goetz48 said:
1D's and D3's are very professional because they are heavy bricks and lack a built in flash. They are also so expensive that only amateurs will buy them if they can afford somebody who carries the equipment. Or well earning pros who sweat for money.

A900 is less professional because it is less expensive and less heavy. Enthusiasts can carry it by their own. And of course, A850 is less professional.

A700 is middle class because it has a built in flash. And it is still a brick. Any differences in sensor size are negligible.

All others are entry class. Does not matter if one has better high ISO performance as an upper class cam. And some of them have life view which is totally unprofessional. A pro has to use an angle adapter !

And now you want a pretty small FF camera ? That will be a totally unprofessional entry class camera !

You need to have a look at a Leica M9. Very small, used by lots of pros. Pop over to the Luminous Landscape site for example and have a look at their reports on the M9. Then see if you want to qualify that last sentence of yours.
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Mike Fewster
Adelaide Australia
 
KEITH-C said:
A new sensor with more sophisticated micro-lenses would be required for a FF 'NEX' & built-in image correction would be preferable with image correction parameters built into the lens ROMs.
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Maybe I'm confused. I (mistakenly?) assumed that the A55 and A33 were evolutionary SLRs using the A mount, and had focused on this part of Kurth's post

...there´s no reason we won´t see the a77 and a99, and following sonys´methodology of late , sooner rather than later...

EVFs are the future for TTL viewfinders, and I don't see why they couldn't be used on future A mount cameras, but if Sony's intention is to replace the A mount as a fully functioning lens system with these E mounts, then count me out.

I have a sizable number of A mounts that I'm not ready to toss. So, if an A99 is introduced as an E mount--requiring an adapter just to mount an A mount lens--then I'm not interested, and will look for a used A900 or a new A850 instead.

Cheers

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TC
 
Yes, it would technologically be possible. However, it would not make much sense. Normally the sensor is much closer to the back lens. This means that the refraction angles at the back are much larger resulting in diffraction of the light (fringing) and less light on sensor at the corners (vignetting). Not sure typical users of FF cameras are waiting on that. Off course the back lens can be placed further from the back, but this makes the lens much bigger and mitigating the advantage of small cameras.
goetz48 said:
1. Nobody mentioned E-mount explicitly.

2. AFAIK E-mount has the same diameter as A-mount. So ff lenses in E-mount should be possible as well.
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And that is why specifically designed E-mount FF lenses are needed together with the sensor & image correction firmware as a whole integrated system approach ! The human eye is quite small but it has been 'designed' by gradual evolution into a very sophisticated image data collection device backed up by the processing abilities of the brain's visual centres.

In a camera the lens & sensors cannot be considered in isolation but as parts of an integrated system whose aim is to reproduce an accurate image

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Keith-C
 
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