S602 picture quality

richard said:

Having just sold my fuji 2400zoom recently to upgrade to an S602 I
eagerly got snapping over the weekend to see the results. Well, I'm
gutted. My S602 lacks the sharpness I obtained with my 2400. It had
to be me didn't it? so out I went again, bored the kids silly with
just one photo for dad please, but to no avail. I asked for expert
opinion(my wife), and she could clearly see the difference between
my old 2400 shots and my recent shots. Is Anybody else disappointed
with the sharpness of their pictures? It's not that they're
hopellessly bad, in fact if I hadn't had the 2400 I probably
wouldn't have noticed anything wrong. I'm hoping my camera is at
fault, and a simples exchange should solve this. If not I'm
seriously considering a change in camera. My new £600 camers surely
shouldn't be out done by a £250 18 month old camera?

Richard

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richard said:

Having just sold my fuji 2400zoom recently to upgrade to an S602 I
eagerly got snapping over the weekend to see the results. Well, I'm
gutted. My S602 lacks the sharpness I obtained with my 2400. It had
to be me didn't it? so out I went again, bored the kids silly with
just one photo for dad please, but to no avail. I asked for expert
opinion(my wife), and she could clearly see the difference between
my old 2400 shots and my recent shots. Is Anybody else disappointed
with the sharpness of their pictures? It's not that they're
hopellessly bad, in fact if I hadn't had the 2400 I probably
wouldn't have noticed anything wrong. I'm hoping my camera is at
fault, and a simples exchange should solve this. If not I'm
seriously considering a change in camera. My new £600 camers surely
shouldn't be out done by a £250 18 month old camera?

Richard

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Pieter Gordebeke said:

Needless to say you're not the only one with this complaint. The
subject has been discussed to death, really.

I believe the "jury" here agrees that the 602 is a great camera,
capable of splendid results, but it requires a little effort. It
seems the 602 isn't very forgiving when it comes to lack of
technique or breaking the basic rules of photography. This is not
criticism: I have no information about the settings you used or how
experienced you are.

If you feel it can't be your technique, then maybe you're not
viewing your results the right way. If you viewed a 6MP at 100%
size on your monitor and did the same with an image from your 2400
(I presume it has a considerably lower resolution?), then you took
the wrong approach and the difference in sharpness is logical. Have
you tried printing images from both cameras?

I would suggest you do a search on this forum. I'm sure you will
find enough things to try out before you decide to return this
wonderful camera. If nothing seems to work for you, then maybe
you're right and you were unlucky to receive a faulty camera.

HTH.

Pieter

richard said:

Having just sold my fuji 2400zoom recently to upgrade to an S602 I
eagerly got snapping over the weekend to see the results. Well, I'm
gutted. My S602 lacks the sharpness I obtained with my 2400. It had
to be me didn't it? so out I went again, bored the kids silly with
just one photo for dad please, but to no avail. I asked for expert
opinion(my wife), and she could clearly see the difference between
my old 2400 shots and my recent shots. Is Anybody else disappointed
with the sharpness of their pictures? It's not that they're
hopellessly bad, in fact if I hadn't had the 2400 I probably
wouldn't have noticed anything wrong. I'm hoping my camera is at
fault, and a simples exchange should solve this. If not I'm
seriously considering a change in camera. My new £600 camers surely
shouldn't be out done by a £250 18 month old camera?

Richard

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richard said:

I have posted 2 pictures here http://www.pbase.com/rjgardner/inbox .
Picture 1188.jpg is shot with the 602. 610.jpg(left) was shot
with the 2400. I have tried to mimick with the 602 the same
settings as shot with 2400, i.e. F2.8, iso 160, Shutter 1/125. I
shot 5 images with the 602 at different resolutions, all with near
identical quality results. To be honest I haven't printed yet from
the 602. I really want to like the s602 as everything else, the
quality build, feel, options etc are superb.

Richard

Pieter Gordebeke said:

Needless to say you're not the only one with this complaint. The
subject has been discussed to death, really.

I believe the "jury" here agrees that the 602 is a great camera,
capable of splendid results, but it requires a little effort. It
seems the 602 isn't very forgiving when it comes to lack of
technique or breaking the basic rules of photography. This is not
criticism: I have no information about the settings you used or how
experienced you are.

If you feel it can't be your technique, then maybe you're not
viewing your results the right way. If you viewed a 6MP at 100%
size on your monitor and did the same with an image from your 2400
(I presume it has a considerably lower resolution?), then you took
the wrong approach and the difference in sharpness is logical. Have
you tried printing images from both cameras?

I would suggest you do a search on this forum. I'm sure you will
find enough things to try out before you decide to return this
wonderful camera. If nothing seems to work for you, then maybe
you're right and you were unlucky to receive a faulty camera.

HTH.

Pieter

richard said:

Having just sold my fuji 2400zoom recently to upgrade to an S602 I
eagerly got snapping over the weekend to see the results. Well, I'm
gutted. My S602 lacks the sharpness I obtained with my 2400. It had
to be me didn't it? so out I went again, bored the kids silly with
just one photo for dad please, but to no avail. I asked for expert
opinion(my wife), and she could clearly see the difference between
my old 2400 shots and my recent shots. Is Anybody else disappointed
with the sharpness of their pictures? It's not that they're
hopellessly bad, in fact if I hadn't had the 2400 I probably
wouldn't have noticed anything wrong. I'm hoping my camera is at
fault, and a simples exchange should solve this. If not I'm
seriously considering a change in camera. My new £600 camers surely
shouldn't be out done by a £250 18 month old camera?

Richard

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alex buchanan said:

First, I would slow down the exposure time a bit. The image would
be a bit brighter and consequently appear more crisp.

Secondly, by looking at the EXIF info, I noticed the following:

JPEG Quality basic (1)

It appears you might be saving them at the lowest quality level.
My photos are always at mode (3). You might check the SETup mode
and try the Fine quality at 3 megapixels, or High at 6. (and then
resize). Try changing the Sharpening level in the menu. I always
use Hard myself. I tend to prefer the sharp look to the soft look.

Alex

richard said:

I have posted 2 pictures here http://www.pbase.com/rjgardner/inbox .
Picture 1188.jpg is shot with the 602. 610.jpg(left) was shot
with the 2400. I have tried to mimick with the 602 the same
settings as shot with 2400, i.e. F2.8, iso 160, Shutter 1/125. I
shot 5 images with the 602 at different resolutions, all with near
identical quality results. To be honest I haven't printed yet from
the 602. I really want to like the s602 as everything else, the
quality build, feel, options etc are superb.

Richard

Pieter Gordebeke said:

Needless to say you're not the only one with this complaint. The
subject has been discussed to death, really.

I believe the "jury" here agrees that the 602 is a great camera,
capable of splendid results, but it requires a little effort. It
seems the 602 isn't very forgiving when it comes to lack of
technique or breaking the basic rules of photography. This is not
criticism: I have no information about the settings you used or how
experienced you are.

If you feel it can't be your technique, then maybe you're not
viewing your results the right way. If you viewed a 6MP at 100%
size on your monitor and did the same with an image from your 2400
(I presume it has a considerably lower resolution?), then you took
the wrong approach and the difference in sharpness is logical. Have
you tried printing images from both cameras?

I would suggest you do a search on this forum. I'm sure you will
find enough things to try out before you decide to return this
wonderful camera. If nothing seems to work for you, then maybe
you're right and you were unlucky to receive a faulty camera.

HTH.

Pieter

richard said:

Having just sold my fuji 2400zoom recently to upgrade to an S602 I
eagerly got snapping over the weekend to see the results. Well, I'm
gutted. My S602 lacks the sharpness I obtained with my 2400. It had
to be me didn't it? so out I went again, bored the kids silly with
just one photo for dad please, but to no avail. I asked for expert
opinion(my wife), and she could clearly see the difference between
my old 2400 shots and my recent shots. Is Anybody else disappointed
with the sharpness of their pictures? It's not that they're
hopellessly bad, in fact if I hadn't had the 2400 I probably
wouldn't have noticed anything wrong. I'm hoping my camera is at
fault, and a simples exchange should solve this. If not I'm
seriously considering a change in camera. My new £600 camers surely
shouldn't be out done by a £250 18 month old camera?

Richard

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ga-ga said:

alex buchanan said:

First, I would slow down the exposure time a bit. The image would
be a bit brighter and consequently appear more crisp.

Secondly, by looking at the EXIF info, I noticed the following:

JPEG Quality basic (1)

It appears you might be saving them at the lowest quality level.
My photos are always at mode (3). You might check the SETup mode
and try the Fine quality at 3 megapixels, or High at 6. (and then
resize). Try changing the Sharpening level in the menu. I always
use Hard myself. I tend to prefer the sharp look to the soft look.

Alex

richard said:

I have posted 2 pictures here http://www.pbase.com/rjgardner/inbox .
Picture 1188.jpg is shot with the 602. 610.jpg(left) was shot
with the 2400. I have tried to mimick with the 602 the same
settings as shot with 2400, i.e. F2.8, iso 160, Shutter 1/125. I
shot 5 images with the 602 at different resolutions, all with near
identical quality results. To be honest I haven't printed yet from
the 602. I really want to like the s602 as everything else, the
quality build, feel, options etc are superb.

Richard

Pieter Gordebeke said:

Needless to say you're not the only one with this complaint. The
subject has been discussed to death, really.

I believe the "jury" here agrees that the 602 is a great camera,
capable of splendid results, but it requires a little effort. It
seems the 602 isn't very forgiving when it comes to lack of
technique or breaking the basic rules of photography. This is not
criticism: I have no information about the settings you used or how
experienced you are.

If you feel it can't be your technique, then maybe you're not
viewing your results the right way. If you viewed a 6MP at 100%
size on your monitor and did the same with an image from your 2400
(I presume it has a considerably lower resolution?), then you took
the wrong approach and the difference in sharpness is logical. Have
you tried printing images from both cameras?

I would suggest you do a search on this forum. I'm sure you will
find enough things to try out before you decide to return this
wonderful camera. If nothing seems to work for you, then maybe
you're right and you were unlucky to receive a faulty camera.

HTH.

Pieter

richard said:

Having just sold my fuji 2400zoom recently to upgrade to an S602 I
eagerly got snapping over the weekend to see the results. Well, I'm
gutted. My S602 lacks the sharpness I obtained with my 2400. It had
to be me didn't it? so out I went again, bored the kids silly with
just one photo for dad please, but to no avail. I asked for expert
opinion(my wife), and she could clearly see the difference between
my old 2400 shots and my recent shots. Is Anybody else disappointed
with the sharpness of their pictures? It's not that they're
hopellessly bad, in fact if I hadn't had the 2400 I probably
wouldn't have noticed anything wrong. I'm hoping my camera is at
fault, and a simples exchange should solve this. If not I'm
seriously considering a change in camera. My new £600 camers surely
shouldn't be out done by a £250 18 month old camera?

Richard

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alex buchanan said:

Alex

ga-ga said:

alex buchanan said:

First, I would slow down the exposure time a bit. The image would
be a bit brighter and consequently appear more crisp.

Secondly, by looking at the EXIF info, I noticed the following:

JPEG Quality basic (1)

It appears you might be saving them at the lowest quality level.
My photos are always at mode (3). You might check the SETup mode
and try the Fine quality at 3 megapixels, or High at 6. (and then
resize). Try changing the Sharpening level in the menu. I always
use Hard myself. I tend to prefer the sharp look to the soft look.

Alex

richard said:

I have posted 2 pictures here http://www.pbase.com/rjgardner/inbox .
Picture 1188.jpg is shot with the 602. 610.jpg(left) was shot
with the 2400. I have tried to mimick with the 602 the same
settings as shot with 2400, i.e. F2.8, iso 160, Shutter 1/125. I
shot 5 images with the 602 at different resolutions, all with near
identical quality results. To be honest I haven't printed yet from
the 602. I really want to like the s602 as everything else, the
quality build, feel, options etc are superb.

Richard

Pieter Gordebeke said:

Needless to say you're not the only one with this complaint. The
subject has been discussed to death, really.

I believe the "jury" here agrees that the 602 is a great camera,
capable of splendid results, but it requires a little effort. It
seems the 602 isn't very forgiving when it comes to lack of
technique or breaking the basic rules of photography. This is not
criticism: I have no information about the settings you used or how
experienced you are.

If you feel it can't be your technique, then maybe you're not
viewing your results the right way. If you viewed a 6MP at 100%
size on your monitor and did the same with an image from your 2400
(I presume it has a considerably lower resolution?), then you took
the wrong approach and the difference in sharpness is logical. Have
you tried printing images from both cameras?

I would suggest you do a search on this forum. I'm sure you will
find enough things to try out before you decide to return this
wonderful camera. If nothing seems to work for you, then maybe
you're right and you were unlucky to receive a faulty camera.

HTH.

Pieter

richard said:

Having just sold my fuji 2400zoom recently to upgrade to an S602 I
eagerly got snapping over the weekend to see the results. Well, I'm
gutted. My S602 lacks the sharpness I obtained with my 2400. It had
to be me didn't it? so out I went again, bored the kids silly with
just one photo for dad please, but to no avail. I asked for expert
opinion(my wife), and she could clearly see the difference between
my old 2400 shots and my recent shots. Is Anybody else disappointed
with the sharpness of their pictures? It's not that they're
hopellessly bad, in fact if I hadn't had the 2400 I probably
wouldn't have noticed anything wrong. I'm hoping my camera is at
fault, and a simples exchange should solve this. If not I'm
seriously considering a change in camera. My new £600 camers surely
shouldn't be out done by a £250 18 month old camera?

Richard

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ga-ga said:

Sorry I thought you'd know,
I don't think changing the shutter speed will effect the exposure
with a flash shot unless you go faster than 1,000th or even
more......which wouldn't be good. The duration of the flash is
probrably closer to 10,000th or less.
If you slow down the shutter speed it will have an effect on the
exposure of the background but the main subject will be governed by
the camera's control of the flash system.
regards ga-ga

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alex buchanan said:

His sample gallery appears to be down, he must be making some new
tests!

Cheers,

Alex

ga-ga said:

Sorry I thought you'd know,
I don't think changing the shutter speed will effect the exposure
with a flash shot unless you go faster than 1,000th or even
more......which wouldn't be good. The duration of the flash is
probrably closer to 10,000th or less.
If you slow down the shutter speed it will have an effect on the
exposure of the background but the main subject will be governed by
the camera's control of the flash system.
regards ga-ga

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Montreal, QC, Canada
http://www.bh.qc.ca

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ga-ga said:

alex buchanan said:

His sample gallery appears to be down, he must be making some new
tests!

Cheers,

Alex

ga-ga said:

Sorry I thought you'd know,
I don't think changing the shutter speed will effect the exposure
with a flash shot unless you go faster than 1,000th or even
more......which wouldn't be good. The duration of the flash is
probrably closer to 10,000th or less.
If you slow down the shutter speed it will have an effect on the
exposure of the background but the main subject will be governed by
the camera's control of the flash system.
regards ga-ga

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Montreal, QC, Canada
http://www.bh.qc.ca

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richard said:

Having just sold my fuji 2400zoom recently to upgrade to an S602 I
eagerly got snapping over the weekend to see the results. Well, I'm
gutted. My S602 lacks the sharpness I obtained with my 2400. It had
to be me didn't it? so out I went again, bored the kids silly with
just one photo for dad please, but to no avail. I asked for expert
opinion(my wife), and she could clearly see the difference between
my old 2400 shots and my recent shots. Is Anybody else disappointed
with the sharpness of their pictures? It's not that they're
hopellessly bad, in fact if I hadn't had the 2400 I probably
wouldn't have noticed anything wrong. I'm hoping my camera is at
fault, and a simples exchange should solve this. If not I'm
seriously considering a change in camera. My new £600 camers surely
shouldn't be out done by a £250 18 month old camera?

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ga-ga said:

ga-ga said:

alex buchanan said:

His sample gallery appears to be down, he must be making some new
tests!

Cheers,

Alex

ga-ga said:

Sorry I thought you'd know,
I don't think changing the shutter speed will effect the exposure
with a flash shot unless you go faster than 1,000th or even
more......which wouldn't be good. The duration of the flash is
probrably closer to 10,000th or less.
If you slow down the shutter speed it will have an effect on the
exposure of the background but the main subject will be governed by
the camera's control of the flash system.
regards ga-ga

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Alex Buchanan ([email protected])
Montreal, QC, Canada
http://www.bh.qc.ca

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richard said:

Having just sold my fuji 2400zoom recently to upgrade to an S602 I
eagerly got snapping over the weekend to see the results. Well, I'm
gutted. My S602 lacks the sharpness I obtained with my 2400. It had
to be me didn't it? so out I went again, bored the kids silly with
just one photo for dad please, but to no avail. I asked for expert
opinion(my wife), and she could clearly see the difference between
my old 2400 shots and my recent shots. Is Anybody else disappointed
with the sharpness of their pictures? It's not that they're
hopellessly bad, in fact if I hadn't had the 2400 I probably
wouldn't have noticed anything wrong. I'm hoping my camera is at
fault, and a simples exchange should solve this. If not I'm
seriously considering a change in camera. My new £600 camers surely
shouldn't be out done by a £250 18 month old camera?

Richard

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alex buchanan said:

Shutter speed is so much an issue with badminton shots! You either
have nice bright blurry shots or very dark, grainy perfectly frozen
action shots! Hard to find the right balance.

Badminton shots are going well, Took some pics of our club's
athletes at a tournament last weekend, and put together a collage,
they came out pretty well.. had to do quite a bit of photoshop work
to clear up some of them, but everyone was impressed with the
outcome (which was printed on glossy photo paper)

http://www.pbase.com/image/6064627/large

Thanks for enquiring

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richard said:

Thanks for your prompt replies.

I have posted 2 pictures here http://www.pbase.com/rjgardner/inbox .

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richard121383 said:

Picture 1188.jpg is shot with the 602. 610.jpg(left) was shot
with the 2400. I have tried to mimick with the 602 the same
settings as shot with 2400, i.e. F2.8, iso 160, Shutter 1/125. I
shot 5 images with the 602 at different resolutions, all with near
identical quality results. To be honest I haven't printed yet from
the 602. I really want to like the s602 as everything else, the
quality build, feel, options etc are superb.

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sg10 said:

You might try manually white balancing to whiten the whites and
brighten other colors. It brings out the noise too, a little more.
Here's an attempt, maybe you'll like yours better...

http://www.pbase.com/sg10/processtest

alex buchanan said:

Shutter speed is so much an issue with badminton shots! You either
have nice bright blurry shots or very dark, grainy perfectly frozen
action shots! Hard to find the right balance.

Badminton shots are going well, Took some pics of our club's
athletes at a tournament last weekend, and put together a collage,
they came out pretty well.. had to do quite a bit of photoshop work
to clear up some of them, but everyone was impressed with the
outcome (which was printed on glossy photo paper)

http://www.pbase.com/image/6064627/large

Thanks for enquiring

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alex buchanan said:

Thanks for the suggestion, I'll try playing around with the white
balance and see if any of the settings bring out nice whites inside
the building.

What processing did you do to whiten my photos? It actually looks
pretty good. Granted there's a bit more noise but the brighter
players does bring life to the picture, and that's a good thing.

Thanks for taking the time to help, I appreciate it!

Cheers,

Alex

sg10 said:

You might try manually white balancing to whiten the whites and
brighten other colors. It brings out the noise too, a little more.
Here's an attempt, maybe you'll like yours better...

http://www.pbase.com/sg10/processtest

alex buchanan said:

Shutter speed is so much an issue with badminton shots! You either
have nice bright blurry shots or very dark, grainy perfectly frozen
action shots! Hard to find the right balance.

Badminton shots are going well, Took some pics of our club's
athletes at a tournament last weekend, and put together a collage,
they came out pretty well.. had to do quite a bit of photoshop work
to clear up some of them, but everyone was impressed with the
outcome (which was printed on glossy photo paper)

http://www.pbase.com/image/6064627/large

Thanks for enquiring

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Alex Buchanan ([email protected])
Montreal, QC, Canada
http://www.bh.qc.ca

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richard said:

Having just sold my fuji 2400zoom recently to upgrade to an S602 I
eagerly got snapping over the weekend to see the results. Well, I'm
gutted. My S602 lacks the sharpness I obtained with my 2400. It had
to be me didn't it? so out I went again, bored the kids silly with
just one photo for dad please, but to no avail. I asked for expert
opinion(my wife), and she could clearly see the difference between
my old 2400 shots and my recent shots. Is Anybody else disappointed
with the sharpness of their pictures? It's not that they're
hopellessly bad, in fact if I hadn't had the 2400 I probably
wouldn't have noticed anything wrong. I'm hoping my camera is at
fault, and a simples exchange should solve this. If not I'm
seriously considering a change in camera. My new £600 camers surely
shouldn't be out done by a £250 18 month old camera?

Richard

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