BKSinAZ
Leading Member
After a new model has been released, how long should someone wait to help reduce getting a lemon? For example; how long do you estimate it took to sell 10,000 D700 or D300 cameras?
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D700 replacement wait is driving me nuts :-)
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Kabe Luna
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Me? I've shot 5K images with mine (second hand in like new condition for $2K) in less than a month. Many of the images in conditions so dismal, they simply would not have been taken with another camera. So, no way would I be waiting since I'm actually using the camera, not living in theoretical land.
Seriously, you should take back the camera and then start this whole waiting game again when the replacement debuts with some essential new piece of technology, but a higher price point than you'd like to pay.
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Kabe Luna
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Seriously, you should take back the camera and then start this whole waiting game again when the replacement debuts with some essential new piece of technology, but a higher price point than you'd like to pay.
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anotherMike
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About a month or so ago I bought a D700 to replace my very well used and now essentially terminal D300. Didn't really want to do it - was kind of waiting for the "D700 replacement" too. Gotta be honest - now that I've got the D700 and have shot a serious bit with it and know what it can do - even at low ISO, I'm one happy camper. REAL happy. It's a camera that is so well sorted, and provides such nice files, that it simply gets the hell out of the way and lets you return to concentrating on the photography and creation of images, instead of worrying about gear and/or pixel peeping. I love the thing, and never thought I'd say that. No regrets at all. I'd rather shoot with it now and give the "D700 replacement" a year or two to get all the bugs out (and come down a bit in price) before I hop on it - I'm sure I will at some point, but I'm taking images right now and don't care as much as I used to about the next DSLR I own, which says something, I think...
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GreatWhiteNorthEh
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What is wrong with waiting for a new model? I could have bought a '09 model year of my new vechicle, but I chose to wait and get an '10 that numerous new features and a much improved visual appearance.
If a person spend $2k today for a body, they can kiss away at least 25% or more value as soon as they open it up. I am one of those who want to know what is coming down the pipe. I have had a D700 in my hand, its a awesome camera. However, the camera is almost 2 years old. In two years, you have no idea what could be next.
Those who feel they are happy with what they have, cannot justify an upgrade due to the loss of value with what they already have and what they will have to put out to purchase a new body. IF you already have invested, you need to weight the differences. IF you have cash in your pocket, a smart consumer will do whatever they can to ensure that they are getting the best for their money, even if that means waiting a few months and/or spending more money for a newer model. I for one, given the choice, would rather spend MORE money to have a more capable piece of equipment. If I knew for sure the D700 successor would have even BETTER ISO performance, I would definitely hesitate. Maybe they will up the frame rate to 7fps without grip, I'd gladly wait.
Those who do NOT own a D700 are the ones who should be MOST concerned about what may be coming, not those who are already invested in one.
If a person spend $2k today for a body, they can kiss away at least 25% or more value as soon as they open it up. I am one of those who want to know what is coming down the pipe. I have had a D700 in my hand, its a awesome camera. However, the camera is almost 2 years old. In two years, you have no idea what could be next.
Those who feel they are happy with what they have, cannot justify an upgrade due to the loss of value with what they already have and what they will have to put out to purchase a new body. IF you already have invested, you need to weight the differences. IF you have cash in your pocket, a smart consumer will do whatever they can to ensure that they are getting the best for their money, even if that means waiting a few months and/or spending more money for a newer model. I for one, given the choice, would rather spend MORE money to have a more capable piece of equipment. If I knew for sure the D700 successor would have even BETTER ISO performance, I would definitely hesitate. Maybe they will up the frame rate to 7fps without grip, I'd gladly wait.
Those who do NOT own a D700 are the ones who should be MOST concerned about what may be coming, not those who are already invested in one.
Robin Casady
Forum Pro
No, leave it in the box. Store it in a cool dry place. In 50 years your children can take it on Antiques Roadshow...Should I open then?))))))))))
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tedtea
Active member
Am also waiting for the D700 replacement - currently have a D300 (1.6 years old).
Whole-heartedly agree on waiting out to see what's in store -
have the D300 already, a few DX lenses and the 70-200 VRII with TC-20E III.
From my perspective, the video option would be essential to me - I don't want to lug around too many pieces of equipment, and eventually the 2 bodies would cater to wide + zoom.
Hopefully Nikon does something sensible to beat 5dmk2.
Whole-heartedly agree on waiting out to see what's in store -
have the D300 already, a few DX lenses and the 70-200 VRII with TC-20E III.
From my perspective, the video option would be essential to me - I don't want to lug around too many pieces of equipment, and eventually the 2 bodies would cater to wide + zoom.
Hopefully Nikon does something sensible to beat 5dmk2.
Red G8R
Senior Member
Return it and wait. You waited this long already what's a few more months. The D700 might be very good but chances are the replacement will have so much more in features (and cost).
As long as you have something to shoot with already, just wait.
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Peter
Ontario, Canada
As long as you have something to shoot with already, just wait.
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Peter
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BrianHalcYoN
Leading Member
Think of opportunity cost. How many shots have you missed already? How many shots would have been better? Open the box, take your pictures, make your photographs, get your money's worth and ignore the news of updates or price reductions. It won't be hard to ignore the intarwebs buzz because you will be too busy using this exceptional piece of hardware.
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If you're having second thoughts about the D700, you're crazy - unless you need 9 fps, in which case, buy the big battery pack, or video, in which case, buy a Canon or D3s.
Here's the reality: we're at the point with digital where incremental improvements are real but marginal, both in terms of ISO performance, features and resolution. If you're a fringe user, you'll see the difference. If not, you won't. It's true that the new stuff has 1 - 1.5 stops of higher-ISO advantage, although "why" I don't know (I think new microlenses?), and there is the potential for marginally higher resolution cameras to come out. Likewise, fluff features like video. From a handling point of view, the D700 is about as good as it gets - switches just like my old F5 and a brick-like feel. Those things won't change. IQ won't change. Resolution may or may not change.
Unless Nikon does something radical on the sensor side, which is unlikely, the D700 replacement - which probably won't be available for six months (that's a lot of pictures) won't be that different from the D700 of today.
BTW, if you look at ACTUAL resolution on these cameras and are waiting for more MP, you're not going to be blown away. Check DxO Mark, or do the math on the figures reported by DPReview. The D700 is 45 lp / mm + -; the D3x is 57, although lens matters. Velvia at 50% contrast is about 50 and at a 25% contrast about 80 or so; Ektar 100 claims about 50 at 50% for blue and green, but I'm a skeptic on the print stuff (this isn't a film / digital point - it's that getting more res. is HARD and you have to make severe compromises to get there). Interestingly, that means that after interpolation etc. the 12MP D700 is capable of outputting only about 7 - 8MP of actual data (up to 10, which is amazing, under certain circumstances), the 24MP D3x 11-12MP of output data (up to 20 under certain circumstances, supposedly).
So your D700 replacement isn't going to get much better than it is today for most applications.
A final point - the Nikon "full refresh" is 4 years, not 2. So a 2-YO body is current. Again, they have added features ("s" and "x"); the "s" is nice for sure and if it was out and available (which the D3s is not, at least on a "now now" basis) you'd get it.
I just got my D700 and I don't regret it for one second.
p.s. They do still make "bad ones" from time to time - I got one, actually, with a bad AF module.
Here's the reality: we're at the point with digital where incremental improvements are real but marginal, both in terms of ISO performance, features and resolution. If you're a fringe user, you'll see the difference. If not, you won't. It's true that the new stuff has 1 - 1.5 stops of higher-ISO advantage, although "why" I don't know (I think new microlenses?), and there is the potential for marginally higher resolution cameras to come out. Likewise, fluff features like video. From a handling point of view, the D700 is about as good as it gets - switches just like my old F5 and a brick-like feel. Those things won't change. IQ won't change. Resolution may or may not change.
Unless Nikon does something radical on the sensor side, which is unlikely, the D700 replacement - which probably won't be available for six months (that's a lot of pictures) won't be that different from the D700 of today.
BTW, if you look at ACTUAL resolution on these cameras and are waiting for more MP, you're not going to be blown away. Check DxO Mark, or do the math on the figures reported by DPReview. The D700 is 45 lp / mm + -; the D3x is
So your D700 replacement isn't going to get much better than it is today for most applications.
A final point - the Nikon "full refresh" is 4 years, not 2. So a 2-YO body is current. Again, they have added features ("s" and "x"); the "s" is nice for sure and if it was out and available (which the D3s is not, at least on a "now now" basis) you'd get it.
I just got my D700 and I don't regret it for one second.
p.s. They do still make "bad ones" from time to time - I got one, actually, with a bad AF module.
alx357
Well-known member
There are some people who keep going to the back of the line at the theater so they can keep holding their money a little longer.
alx357
Well-known member
One way to look at it ..... the sooner you buy and use a new camera that is currently available, the sooner you will allow yourself to upgrade again, when the new technologies are released.
SUPERHOKIE
Senior Member
If I was in your shoes I would wait, mainly because I need video.
After seeing how much better DLSR videos are compared to camcorders, video is a must for me if i'm spending that kind of money.
After seeing how much better DLSR videos are compared to camcorders, video is a must for me if i'm spending that kind of money.
Kabe Luna
Veteran Member
...for vaporware to possibly coalesce. They are, instead, using the video gear they bought when it became obvious they had a business need for video - they are the ones gobbling up Canon 5DIIs as fast as Canon can make them, and rather than posting here are actually out making art, videos, serial TV and motion pictures with them. The rest simply want video, and some simply want whatever their current gear is lack, whether or not they'd ever use it to any notable end.
So, if you seriously had a need for video in your DSLR, you'd already have a DSLR that captures video of quality requisite to satisfy the needs of your clients.
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Kabe Luna
http://www.garlandcary.com
So, if you seriously had a need for video in your DSLR, you'd already have a DSLR that captures video of quality requisite to satisfy the needs of your clients.
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RJPeter
Forum Enthusiast
Do you want a camera to look at or take photos with?
If the D700 is not going to do what you want, why did you buy it?
Those who are always wanting the latest and maybe greatest probably aren't using what they already have to the fullest extent.
Lusting for the latest model is what Nikon and other makers, want you to do, but if you aren't already using what you have, you are not going to properly use what you want.
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Peter.
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If the D700 is not going to do what you want, why did you buy it?
Those who are always wanting the latest and maybe greatest probably aren't using what they already have to the fullest extent.
Lusting for the latest model is what Nikon and other makers, want you to do, but if you aren't already using what you have, you are not going to properly use what you want.
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Regards,
Peter.
http://gowerphotos.tripod.com
Hocus Pocus
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msjhaffey
Senior Member
Let me help you.
I'll give you $1,000 for it. So that will take the problem off your hands and you'll get $1,000 into the bargain.
You can then put that into a savings account and when the replacement product comes out in the spring you'll have earned interest!
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Sean
http://msjhaffey.zenfolio.com/
I'll give you $1,000 for it. So that will take the problem off your hands and you'll get $1,000 into the bargain.
You can then put that into a savings account and when the replacement product comes out in the spring you'll have earned interest!
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Sean
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Great, thanks! This would help. I accept PayPal. Please send the funds to kgariaev at gmail dot com
I would send that baby back. After the new version, the price of that camera will drop, the new one may be something you want. You have a camera now that works perfectly. Good things come to those who wait. I have a d200 and still playing the waiting game. If you waited this long and are concerned about 300 dollars difference, I think you need to send it back. IMHO.
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