In one fell swoop the specs of the d3100 seems to have taken out the d3000, the d5000, the d90, and some aspects of the d300s. If they don't bring out the d90 right quick, the will bellowing spec wookies will go absolutly ape, and we'll have a pitch fork and torch situation building outside Nikon headquarters in Japan. In fact I hear they are gathering at NikonRumors as we speak.
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Nikon D3100 in a german photo magazin
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New sensor, so what?
Everything else probably will be little different. plastic body, tiny grip and 0.78x view finder, 3fps speed with slightly larger buffer. The sensor may be better, fact is it could be worse too. This is the bottom range afterall.
Remember D3000's sensor is worser than D5000 - when other replacement comes out, the positioning should be quite clear. Investment in gears would always depreciate. To hope otherwise would be too optimistic.
Competition is good. What is interesting in 1080p video for me. 550D has for too long held the feature to itself - price is still high compared to 500D's year on year. It's time for consumers to have other choices, and not forced to pay so much premium for the feature.
Everything else probably will be little different. plastic body, tiny grip and 0.78x view finder, 3fps speed with slightly larger buffer. The sensor may be better, fact is it could be worse too. This is the bottom range afterall.
Remember D3000's sensor is worser than D5000 - when other replacement comes out, the positioning should be quite clear. Investment in gears would always depreciate. To hope otherwise would be too optimistic.
Competition is good. What is interesting in 1080p video for me. 550D has for too long held the feature to itself - price is still high compared to 500D's year on year. It's time for consumers to have other choices, and not forced to pay so much premium for the feature.
beshannon
Senior Member
Glad all that has been settled.
Now people can start to worry and talk about the Nikon D3200!
420 EUR isnt exactly cheap i would say, and from the looks of it it will not have a metal mount, and forget 300mm better then 70-300..
Yes... but even at 75% of that ISO it will be a great improvement, surely.
Not likely. The sensor allows it, but it probably will perform poorly at thiat ISO.
It's like having a speedometer on a Yugo that goes to 100. You might be able to get to that speed (going downhill, with the wind behind you)... but you wouldn't want to!
However if the real-world ISO 1600/3200 is improved that would be an acceptable advance.
FoolyCooly
Senior Member
Still it is a very sexy camera... I was looking at it and the Oly EPL1 but got the D5000 instead because of Nikon lens compatibility.
It's as easy to use as a p&s - and likewise unappealing as a photographic tool
My aunt loves it! (nex-3)
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The obvious advantage is that when paired with the 18-55 it lens, the new 55-300 avoids a gap in the focal length range. It is a better fit for DX format than the 35mm format oriented 70-300.
The rumor has the 28-300 priced at more than twice the 55-300 (1000 vs 420) and more than super-zooms for "APS-C" formats, so its aim is not so "affordable".
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The D3000 uses an old CCD while the D5000 uses a newer, higher resolution Sony EXMOR CMOS.
The D3100 instead clearly the new Sony EXMOR HD sensor of the Sony NEX models, which is promising for its IQ.
rhlpetrus
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I just checked the D5000 x A700 x NEX5. The D5000 shows better perfomance than A700 (supposedly same Sony silicon), and A700 is lower than than NEX5. If Nikon does the same trick, the Nikon version of this 14MP sensor could be even better than the present 12MP one on D5000 or D90.
Not bad, considering the Nikon version of the Sony 12MP sensor iss the best rated by DxO Mark.
And the difference between D3x and A900 is even bigger.
So, I wouldn't read too much into the NEX5 RAW scores and rating.
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Not bad, considering the Nikon version of the Sony 12MP sensor iss the best rated by DxO Mark.
And the difference between D3x and A900 is even bigger.
So, I wouldn't read too much into the NEX5 RAW scores and rating.
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rhlpetrus
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Before Photokina is the rumor going on, same sensor, higher fps and more AF points.
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Right. This is informed by Thom's 7/13 comments on any new D4 sensor, that you can push megapixels or ISO but it's hard to substantively push both at the same time. It looks to me that Nikon is taking a prudent middle path, giving a small MP bump but ensuring that they keep the development pressure on high-ISO performance. In fact, this seems conservative on the MP front. A Sony sensor base with Nikon-engineered toppings and data processing could push DX ISO into exciting territory. The fact that it might appear at the bottom of the line shouldn't surprise; Nikon is willing to do that.
I would prefer the range of 55-300 by a good margin over the 70-300 on dx sensor bodies which I will own as long as they make them. The 70 end of the 70-300 has got in my way on many occasions. I will be drooling over the 28-300 even more though. It could replace my 18-200 if it's any good.
Well that should eliminate the claims that the D90 replacement wouldn't go above 12mp.
mrcontinental
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You don't truly expect this to touch the D3s do you? Fx and Dx are apples and oranges in this regard.
lemon_juice
Leading Member
It's a bit disappointing that 14 megapixels will be crammed in an entry-level model. People buying this camera will almost never make use of it, especially that the kit lenses most likely will not be able to resolve 14 megapixels anyway, so most people will end up with wasting space on big files. If someone shoots JPEG they can at least choose a lower resolution but for RAW there's no choice - wasted card and disk space and longer processing time in a raw converter. I think at this point Nikon should introduce lower resolution RAWs like sRAW in Canons. 10 megapixels was a sweet spot for a camera like this, but I'm afraid Nikon has to follow whatever Sony does in terms of sensors, if Sony doesn't produce a new good 10 Mpx sensor then Nikon can't have that.
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john Clinch
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The kit lens resolution shouldn't be a problem
"The Nikkor AF-S 18-55mm DX II produced surprisingly high resolution figures under lab conditions which is quite unusual for a lens in this price class. The center resolution is excellent throughout the zoom range. The border quality at the wide-end of the zoom range is soft results at max. aperture - both regarding resolution and more so contrast. However, stopping down to f/5.6 already improves the borders significantly. At 35mm and 55mm the resolution characteristic is more even across the frame.
You may find the resolution of this lens to be quite astonishing and maybe hard to believe. As a reference here´s comparison of 100% portions of the test chart (center bottom) between this lens and the (very high quality) Nikkor AF 50mm f/1.4D at f/5.6: "
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http://www.photozone.de/nikon--nikkor-aps-c-lens-tests/234-nikkor-af-s-18-55mm-f35-56-g-ed-dx-ii-review--test-report?start=1
There are 2 problems with the idea that we don't need more pixels in cameras
one marketing
two, they are actually quite useful. For almost everyone they are just in case. I think any DSLR user might think
Wow I want that big
or
I need to crop, I only had the kit lens
OK I've only got 6MP but I've given up telling other that they don't need more
Oh finally memory is cheap
finally finally
they shoot RAW but don't need the resolution
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"The Nikkor AF-S 18-55mm DX II produced surprisingly high resolution figures under lab conditions which is quite unusual for a lens in this price class. The center resolution is excellent throughout the zoom range. The border quality at the wide-end of the zoom range is soft results at max. aperture - both regarding resolution and more so contrast. However, stopping down to f/5.6 already improves the borders significantly. At 35mm and 55mm the resolution characteristic is more even across the frame.
You may find the resolution of this lens to be quite astonishing and maybe hard to believe. As a reference here´s comparison of 100% portions of the test chart (center bottom) between this lens and the (very high quality) Nikkor AF 50mm f/1.4D at f/5.6: "
from
http://www.photozone.de/nikon--nikkor-aps-c-lens-tests/234-nikkor-af-s-18-55mm-f35-56-g-ed-dx-ii-review--test-report?start=1
There are 2 problems with the idea that we don't need more pixels in cameras
one marketing
two, they are actually quite useful. For almost everyone they are just in case. I think any DSLR user might think
Wow I want that big
or
I need to crop, I only had the kit lens
OK I've only got 6MP but I've given up telling other that they don't need more
Oh finally memory is cheap
finally finally
they shoot RAW but don't need the resolution
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/john_clinch/
zzd
Active member
I suspect the kit lens will be the 18-55 VR. The review you linked to is of the 18-55 ED. Nikon's Web site says ED ("Extra-low Dispersion") glass helps "deliver stunning sharpness and contrast . . . ."
With the 18-55 kit lenses, you must give up ED glass to get VR. Perhaps the review would have been somewhat different if it were for the VR lens, but I don't really know.
Best regards.
With the 18-55 kit lenses, you must give up ED glass to get VR. Perhaps the review would have been somewhat different if it were for the VR lens, but I don't really know.
Best regards.
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