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Is F300 going to be Fuji's best ever P&S camera to date?
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Kim Letkeman
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Raist3d
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No, that is your misinterpretation . And I don't agree it's a matter only of "100% crops", sorry.
To you, I am logic impaired.
I showed hair because one thing in particular this shot shows very well is how the Sigma keeps hair detail, than on Bayer sensor usually you tend to go to smear.
BTW, I didn't only show 100% crops. I showed a more reasonable web size and a shot interpolated to 18 megapixels. I don't believe with the shots I have seen of the latest Fuji's they are a match.
On the Fuji you can even notice blooming (as I mentioned elsewhere, you can verify this for yourself on the Quesabesde.com samples), which the Sigma isn't prone to do. The detail even locally is visible. Look at the quesabesde.com shot of the "castle" or building whatever that is- and even at websizes you can notice shadow detail loss. This is not an issue with the Sigma And these aren't 100% crops
No, I said, - and this is something I have said already- for those who are dissatisfied with the image quality of the latest Fujis, and they put image quality in very high priority and still want a compact camera, the Sigma cameras present a compelling alternative. My only main beef then with the other discussion is arguing that somehow the Fujis actually have equivalent image quality which they don't.
Now, of course the 300EXR will autofocus faster (confirmed by Quesabesde.com's preview, and barring of course manual focusing which the Sigma does cleverly well with the distance dial). Of course the 300EXR has a zoom lens. And the video of the Fuji is of course better. I already said it- the Sigma isn't a perfect camera. What I presented is an alternative for those who are disappointed with the image quality of the Fuji's enough that they would put image quality above those other advantages. There really isn't much more to it! That you are not in this set of people doesn't mean that this set of people doesn't exist (as evidenced by some of the answers) or that somehow your needs are wrong or that this set of people needs are wrong- which is what you don't seem to tolerate, nor comprehend.
That is your problem , not mine or anyone else's.
That all depends how much you are about the features. For example the Sigma lens is sharper and the sensor is better. The image quality is noticeably better. It all depends on how important image quality is to you. Ditto if you are going to print at 8x10 (yes, 8x10) or a bit higher. Again, this set of people exists. There's no right or wrong set of needs here.
Then don't bother responding. That's your problem (not to mention it comes of as quite arrogant in a way).
Doesn't seem to me the shipping images of the other models were all that different if any honestly. But Quesabesde.com has samples, you can verify how they look.
Yes, but you see, I never said it was a cure all- like you seem so adamantly fast to attribute or imply to me. Again that is your problem not mine.
Again, that's because you think somehow your needs are the standard for everyone. Again, that is your problem , not theirs (or mine).
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Raist3d
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If you are going to use DPR as the end -all be all of reviews I don't know what to tell you. Maybe you could try Sein Reid sometime for a change.
But those people also want a compact. After all this is why micro four thirds is finding many a home in people that already have DSLRs....
I guess it's too much for you then. Again, your problem .
Yes, if you only want to take snapshots of kids running around, the 300EXR is a much better camera (except if you use street style zone focusing which the Sigma will be faster at).... that's the best one yet. AF sucks so bad that you call MF fast ...
I'm sure ... chase the kid around and spin that ring ... good luck with that.
That is for you.
That is your interpretation. Just invoking a not so applicable analogy by itself doesn't make it true.
Yes, because that's it isn't it? Whoever disagrees with you is just wrong or something else. That again is your problem , not ours.
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Raist3d
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Yes, as someone said, ISO needs to go up. The interesting part then is- that the shadow noise I am seeing is nominal at ISO 100! then Wow, surely a step back from the SR sensors of old which didn't have as much shadow noise. Looks like packing those 12 megapixels in that area hurt.
Neither was particularly I. I am thinking compared to the F700/F710. But just the logic behind it too- the SR sensor has in the S sensor part a larger sensor than a regular photosite. Guess what that means for shadow DR and noise in the blacks?
Exactly! ;-) You win win win! You are so right!
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sandeepmanu
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The camera which looks good on paper it is not compulsory that it wil produce good result ..example f200 exr .f70 ,f80 .. all cameras were excellent on paper . But u see the sell and popularity of these cameras .which is far below then panasonic ZS3 ...In this forum people says that ZS3 is inferior to Fuji F80 ..
Let Fuji 300 should come in market then only u can say this camera is better then existing cameras ..
Let Fuji 300 should come in market then only u can say this camera is better then existing cameras ..
Kim Letkeman
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Yes, it is too soft at 12mp. That's why the EXR cams must be shot at M resolution. This has been known for over a year.
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Kim Letkeman
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And it is true.
Not at all sure what you were trying to say there ... a little tortured.
The fact is that the EXR cameras have huge advantages in low light over the ZS3 ... so yes, every single one of them is better than the ZS3. I own two EXR cams and the ZS3 ... and have tested them extensively. Check my blog if you find it difficult to believe ...
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I wanna see some F300 shots.
Day shots, night shots, exr shots, sport shots, low light shots, bw shots, film simulation shots, DR heavy shots, HR shots, flower macro shots, tele shots, wide shots, blue sky shots, landscape shots, underwater shots, portrait shots, panorama mode shots (if there are any)
Why is Fuji so slow with these shots?
I thought Japanese are suppose to be efficient.
How they gonna sell anything with speed like that?
Duh....
C'mon, Fuji, fire someone for holding it up.
And they better make that battery last longer than the F200EXR.
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Day shots, night shots, exr shots, sport shots, low light shots, bw shots, film simulation shots, DR heavy shots, HR shots, flower macro shots, tele shots, wide shots, blue sky shots, landscape shots, underwater shots, portrait shots, panorama mode shots (if there are any)
Why is Fuji so slow with these shots?
I thought Japanese are suppose to be efficient.
How they gonna sell anything with speed like that?
Duh....
C'mon, Fuji, fire someone for holding it up.
And they better make that battery last longer than the F200EXR.
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sandeepmanu
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Yes Kim i have seen your comparison between Zs3 vs F70 .. Looks interesting .. In low light F70 is better thn Zs3 .. But in macro mode and ideal light ZS3 scores over F70 ..If F70 is that much capable camera then why it is not much popular ..I am not brand specific ...I think fuji marketing ways is not supporting their wonderful cameras
Kim Letkeman
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I can think of two responses.
You are making up this "not so popular" concept ... the F70 in fact sold out at Henrys every time it came into stock (son works there) ... it sells just fine, and so does the F80. More than the ZS3, which was $100 more.
But if your assertion actually happens to be true, then it would come down to complexity ... the F70 does very well in all forms of light, but the controls are somewhat complex. The ZS3 has less control, but makes decent images in iA mode.
Anyway, people can rant all they like ... the EXR series does more than anything out there anywhere near this price.
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Like you, the optimists believe that EXR technology is not stationary and that the latest 12mp small sensor incorporates advances that will produce results comparable to the older less dense versions.
Pessimists tend to argue that 12mp on the smaller sensor must be worse than the 12mp on the lolder and larger sensor of the F200 (and on the same size sensor of F70 with 10mp) simply because pixel density has increased.
The rest of us can sit back wait for reviews (from Kim & co) and be confident that the truth will probably lie somewhere between the two positions, and that any differences will be so tiny they will be unnoticable in normal sized prints.
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Barry Fitzgerald
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Samples so far are not particularly impressive but we'll wait for some more.
I'd avoid the optimist and pessimist examples and hedge a bet more to the "realist" approach. In reality moving from 10mp to 12mp on this sensor did nothing at all to help only make things worse.
A vivitar is capable of making ok 6x4" print you must have incredibly low standards ;-)
Barry.
Are you haviing a bad hair day?
As it happens I am more concerned about capturing the moment that scrutinizing poster size prints for imperfections. If that means by your logic I have 'incredibly low standards' then so be it. Others can draw their own conclusions.
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alok gupta
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absolutely agree with kim
have been playing with a friends f80 the last two days . excellent P&s although , the F30 is better in low light
waiting for the f300exr to release so that i can buy one.
alok
have been playing with a friends f80 the last two days . excellent P&s although , the F30 is better in low light
waiting for the f300exr to release so that i can buy one.
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Raist3d
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we were talking about people who put a high priority on image quality. Apparently it bothers you immensely that such people may exist, that they may pick a Sigma as an alternative over the other Fuji advantages. Must be tough wanting to have the world around you have the same needs and wants of you, when reality isn't that way.
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Andreas Feininger (1906-1999) 'Photographers — idiots, of which there are
so many — say, “Oh, if only I had a Nikon or a Leica, I could make great
photographs.” That’s the dumbest thing I ever heard in my life. It’s
nothing but a matter of seeing, and thinking, and interest. That’s what
makes a good photograph.'
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Raist3d (Photographer & Tools/Systems/Gui Games Developer)
Andreas Feininger (1906-1999) 'Photographers — idiots, of which there are
so many — say, “Oh, if only I had a Nikon or a Leica, I could make great
photographs.” That’s the dumbest thing I ever heard in my life. It’s
nothing but a matter of seeing, and thinking, and interest. That’s what
makes a good photograph.'
Kim Letkeman
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You brought a dead APS-C sensor into a discussion about compacts ...
Who cares what Fuji's old dSLR sensor did? They gave up on it and so should you.
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