Canon TS-E 24 II v 17mm

I am going to make a long term investment in one of these lenses or other suggestions from the forum. Is the 17mm better ? I realise that lack of filters and lens protection could be an issue for the wider length. Feedback appreciated before purchase thanks

Rent first, only you will know what is better for you. They are tools and each has their application; you need to decide what you will be making with them.

steve keppel said:

Is the 17mm better ?

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No, the 24 is better while the 17 is wider (unprecedented for a 135 format lens with movements).

For shooting "things"... either might work?

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Thanks for posts, hiring is a good idea

If you're inside a small building then the 17mm might be better, if you're capturing a sweeping landscape from a mountain top the 24mm might be better.

You really can't make a "better" judgment when comparing two different focal lengths, only which is more "suitable" for the type of work you want to do.

Are you shooting crop or full frame? Makes a big difference in the choice as 24mm on a crop may be a bit narrow.

In theory you can stitch the 24 to help you out in tight spots, but then you could stitch the 17 and work in even tighter spots

I consider myself extremely lucky to own both since I always have the choice, but then I also have the weight of both of them to lug around! They are both extraordinary lenses.

Kevin

If your subject matter or shooting style requires an UWA lens, then you will not find better than the 17TSE. It is a fantastic lens - but 17mm is very wide on FF and not everyone feels comfortable with that. You'll know best what will suit you.

Of course you can also use a 1.4TC with either of the lenses - in the case of the 17 this gives you a 24mm lens, give or take, and the quality is really still very good and more than usable.
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steve keppel said:

. . . Is the 17mm better ?

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for my stale of shooting yes - maybe not for yours







It all comes down to your individual style of shooting - there is no better 17 mm shift available today - even no other 17 mm lens I know is better - not even the Zeiss lenses come near to that leny but the 24 mm version is a bit sharper in the corners - get both if you need both focal lengths - get the 17 + a 1,4x extender if you someties shoot 24 mm

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I use the 17TSE on my 5D-II and 7D, which gives 17TSE on the 5D-II and 28TSE on the 7D. The lack of filter is not a problem which I can shoot bracketing when needed. The protruding front element needs care - protection and flare control, major considerations when comparing to the 24TSE.

-Steve

steve keppel said:

I am going to make a long term investment in one of these lenses or other suggestions from the forum. Is the 17mm better ? I realise that lack of filters and lens protection could be an issue for the wider length. Feedback appreciated before purchase thanks

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So you will recommend 17mm, right? I too am in two minds about either of these lenses for my 5dII and 7D.
Thx.

Steven-T said:

I use the 17TSE on my 5D-II and 7D, which gives 17TSE on the 5D-II and 28TSE on the 7D. The lack of filter is not a problem which I can shoot bracketing when needed. The protruding front element needs care - protection and flare control, major considerations when comparing to the 24TSE.

-Steve

steve keppel said:

I am going to make a long term investment in one of these lenses or other suggestions from the forum. Is the 17mm better ? I realise that lack of filters and lens protection could be an issue for the wider length. Feedback appreciated before purchase thanks

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It depends on the user.

-Steve

gurbally said:

So you will recommend 17mm, right? I too am in two minds about either of these lenses for my 5dII and 7D.
Thx.

Steven-T said:

I use the 17TSE on my 5D-II and 7D, which gives 17TSE on the 5D-II and 28TSE on the 7D. The lack of filter is not a problem which I can shoot bracketing when needed. The protruding front element needs care - protection and flare control, major considerations when comparing to the 24TSE.

-Steve

steve keppel said:

I am going to make a long term investment in one of these lenses or other suggestions from the forum. Is the 17mm better ? I realise that lack of filters and lens protection could be an issue for the wider length. Feedback appreciated before purchase thanks

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gurbally said:

So you will recommend 17mm, right? I too am in two minds about either of these lenses for my 5dII and 7D.

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It makes the most sense from a 1-shot standpoint, but being able to use PL filters on the 24 TSEII is a blast (and a given for landscapes), plus the ability to match the 17mm FOV with a three shot stitch on the 5D2, yet with 40MP, is not something to overlook. If you need 17mm with movements, I think you will know it...

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Chez Wimpy said:

gurbally said:

So you will recommend 17mm, right? I too am in two minds about either of these lenses for my 5dII and 7D.

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It makes the most sense from a 1-shot standpoint, but being able to use PL filters on the 24 TSEII is a blast (and a given for landscapes), plus the ability to match the 17mm FOV with a three shot stitch on the 5D2, yet with 40MP, is not something to overlook. If you need 17mm with movements, I think you will know it...

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with four shots you get up to 52 MegaPixel and the 17 mm lens becomes a virtual 11 mm lens - not bad IMHO

It all comes down to whether you needs filters or not - I sold all my filters because it's not my style of shooting and I can do all in post processing I need.

I owned for 5 years filters and ended using them three of four times and it was too bulky to cary them - not convenient ;-)

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I am the classic “Windows by Day, Mac by Night user'

I had the same decision to make a couple of months back, and I ended up withe the 17.

I sometimes find it a bit too wide on my 5D2 (without putting the 1.4x on it) although occasionally being very pleased with the width, but just about perfect on my 1D4 most of the time.

Many people say that you should always use a tripod to enable you to line things up perfectly. - Sometimes that just isn't possible. Image2, there simply wasn't room as I was on a balcony barely 2ft wide, and in the house in Image 7 tripods and flash were forbidden -- they thought that cut out photography in the low light levels, but it didn't

a few examples (some on each camera)

5D2



5D2



5D2 (handheld)



5D2 (handheld)



1D4



1D4



1D4 (handheld high ISO)



Hope this helps

Steven

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steve keppel said:

I am going to make a long term investment in one of these lenses or other suggestions from the forum. Is the 17mm better ? I realise that lack of filters and lens protection could be an issue for the wider length. Feedback appreciated before purchase thanks

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this post is right on target for me...
I love the width of the 17 the extra width to get 'it all'...
but I also believe the 24 is slightly sharper...

I want to rent both..

my intended (1 of many) use for the 24
is flowers...

this lens has better mag than the 17 and I believe I can get some special control of flower shots..
anyone have and experience / samples of this use?

thanks all for the post.. and inputs...very useful to my decision also...
I am currently stalling...not sure which one I will want more...
rental is coming available soon...

thanks if anyone has samples of 24mm on flowers (or other semi-macro shots)

Tom

From one lens addict to another All with the 5DmkII







The generous MFD was a major plus for the 24mm in my evaluation

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Tom

I'd think purely in terms of which FL you believe will be of most use to you and which you believe will allow you to achieve results you cannot achieve with your existing lenses.

It may be that the 24 is slightly sharper than the 17 but the 17 is incredibly sharp in its own right, from corner to corner and front to back. So I certainly wouldn't use sharpness as a deciding factor...
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thanks ...useful info...
exactly what I needed to stop worrying about sharpness..

the 17 seems to invite a whole adventure into its own world...

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I did have some thoughts about the closeup ability of the 24....

thanks for the input/response....useful to me...
all the comments in this post ...and the OP questions..
are timely to my decision also....
thanks all

TOM

thanks

thanks ...
again...useful info...
what I needed to see....
about the close ability...

still not sure if I need the widness of 17... more thought...

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thanks for the input/response....useful to me...
all the comments in this post ...and the OP questions..
are timely to my decision also....
thanks all

TOM

I think you need to click my gallery images twice to see them full size below.

Here are two shifted pictures stitched into one, both taken with the TSE 17:





You'll see that in the act of stitching the two images Photoshop has altered the image slightly, leaving a tiny gap along the edges. This is probably because I did not have the camera absolutely level on the tripod.

Seen at 100% the printing on the sheets of paper is legible, more so in the original than after the gallery has processed it. This shot was not tilted as I had detail both above and below me.





Here's an unshifted, untilted interior shot with the TSE -17. This could have been an HDR candidate but I've had only limited success with HDR so far.





And finally here was a very difficult shot of the interior of a Dove cote (Doocot in Scots). I had to setup such that the metal grating barring the door wasn't visible, and lean the tripod against it - access was very tight. The TSE 17 is shifted fully here as there was no other way to take the shot. Tilting the lens up would of course have distorted the ladder, but would also have brought the metal bars into the field of view - only by shifting could I avoid them.





Just for comparison here's the Dove Cote from the outside, shot with the TSE 24 II:





I haven't really had a chance to decide which of the two new TSE is sharper, suffice it to say that they are both excellent.

Kevin