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I read with some amusement the various posts following on from the article from Thom Hogan. Firstly let me say I have no particular view on whether what he says is true or not. What gets me however is the reaction to it, with several posters already saying i am going to leave Sony today (or maybe tomorrow) etc coupled with the oh so predictable told you so's.

I have a lot invested in Sony (both glass and camera) and obviously hope it continues in the FF market. However if it does not i will, in the meantime, still be taking photos with my A900 and should it eventually fail, outside of its warranty, then i will look for another one on the second hand market. What I won't be doing however is staying awake at nights worrying about when the Sony FF world is going to end or rushing to Ebay to sell my gear.

Life is simply too short............

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Yes indeed. There is much hand-wringing around here, as if people are surprised when the new kid on the dslr block has some issues. If you want the semblance of rock steady continuity go to canikon, sony will not give you this. And stop the hand-wringing.

I was thinking about this FF story last night and came to the conclusion that even if it's true there's no way sony will say anything apart from we're fully committed to FF, even if they're not. So crying out for reassurance is immature and futile.

I fully agree with the OP, get on with enjoying your kit. If you can't stand uncertainty stop whingeing and get the hell out of sony FF.
 
And do you think that such advice will stop people in their tracks & re-consider or will they merely glance at you on the way out ?

The present situation with regard to FF is that too many ex-Minolta users have already abandoned the A-Mount & now this confusion will hardly stop that trend from continuing. I understand that some would have trouble believing in anything which Sony might say at this stage but to say nothing is even more ominous.

Of course if the rumours are true then Sony may not want to be caught out in a lie ?
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Keith-C
 
ooh ooh mummy mummy make it all ok, please make it all ok...

Jesus. Do you have no self respect, and nothing better to do than worry about this?

Grow a pair.
KEITH-C said:
And do you think that such advice will stop people in their tracks & re-consider or will they merely glance at you on the way out ?

The present situation with regard to FF is that too many ex-Minolta users have already abandoned the A-Mount & now this confusion will hardly stop that trend from continuing. I understand that some would have trouble believing in anything which Sony might say at this stage but to say nothing is even more ominous.

Of course if the rumours are true then Sony may not want to be caught out in a lie ?
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Keith-C
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I agree that life is too short so I am buying 5d2. Canon already has everything I need, I won't be waiting and wondering everyday what will happen with my Sony investment.

I was hoping for cheap FF with video and LV from Sony this year, I was waiting for cheap 85/1.8 and for mirrorless with FULL Alpha mount and flash compatibility. I have been changing my lenses from APSC to FF slowly. Funny is the best two are Minolta and Sigma because Sony doesn't make similar lenses (Minolta 28/2, Sigma 20/1.8).

NEX looks like a great product and I am sure they will focus more on it than on FF. Since I can not have AF with my lenses on NEX and Sony adapter costs more than Canon adapter + Canon 50/1.8 nothing keeps me with Alpha DSLRs.

I do not believe in any statements made by SONY, this is company that cheated/defrauded PS3 users, with last firmware update they have banned advertised feature (ability to run Linux). You need update to this crippled firmware to keep online playing feature. They have made it because there is one hacker that made some progress with pirating games - it is far from anything usable but they overreacted violating customers rights.

Those are Sony Corporation standards. Now think about video mode, and tester13 hacks for Panasonic cameras. What Sony would do if something like this comes to NEX/video DSLRs cameras? :)))

The biggest Sony problem is not their current DSLRs, and lenses, but the way they send messages about future. Even if they release super FF camera tomorrow it won't mean nothing for me. You don't buy Camera, you buy system, and to sell it you must prove you are stable company that will provide long term support and development. Sony failed badly with that in last months/years. All those A550 and below cameras thrown one by one on the market show they have no idea in what direction lead this system.

So no need to waste my life reading rumors about Sony future and wondering what else they will cripple in future. I am buying camera that isn't perfect but exist and fills all my needs.
 
Good for you. Noone will follow your lead around here, but good for you anyway. Shoot what you got, deal with what happens when and if it happens.

If you're a pro with some huge investment worried about having been conned into Sony, that's too bad...deal with it...sometimes life sucks. Or, hey...maybe you'll be surprised and find out something is still around the corner.

This place has more cheesy drama than a bad soap opera. Baron von Munchausen would love this forum. This group is more tense than Mel Gibson at a bar mitzvah.

Anyone wondering why Sony isn't selling just needs to take a look at this forum. If you were looking for a camera to buy, and there were 4 doors behind which were current users of each major brand, and you opened each door to see how they liked their cameras, what would you think when you open 3 of the doors to hear various technical questions, folks sharing prints, getting pointers, fixing problems...then you open the Sony door and you get a bunch of people screaming at eachother, insulting eachother, pulling out hair, walking around with their hands up in the air declaring the world has ended, and yelling at you not to buy Sony whatever you do? Hmmm.

And conspiracy theorists can have a ball in here. Anyone tries to compliment or enjoy a Sony, and they're a secret employee paid to deceive everyone into buying defective cameras. Anyone wants to opine about a missing feature or something they wish they had, and they're a secret Canon employee here to plant discord and giggle all the way back to Canon HQ. Then you've got the unavoidable facts - yesterday's 14 threads on the first page about the same rumor seemed pretty silly - almost like an intentional effort to disrupt the forum...but then you get to the next day and there's 19 threads questioning Sony. Does everyone in here want to be a reality TV star? Comeon people, work together - make your important and dramatic declarations and soliloquys in one thread on the topic, so anyone who wants to be part of the soap opera can join the fainting women with arms across their forehead and men screaming to the skies in the pouring rain on their knees, like a high school Shakespeare production.

Then again...what's going to change? Nothing. Do I really care? No. I love photography, I love my camera, I hold no brand loyalties, I'll always have a camera available to me and will shoot with it no matter the brand, and all the drama on the internet is about as worrisome to me as a fart in the desert. So carry on with the dramatic antics and silly sniping, future graduates of the Shatner School of Acting.

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Justin
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KEITH-C said:
And do you think that such advice will stop people in their tracks & re-consider or will they merely glance at you on the way out ?

The present situation with regard to FF is that too many ex-Minolta users have already abandoned the A-Mount & now this confusion will hardly stop that trend from continuing. I understand that some would have trouble believing in anything which Sony might say at this stage but to say nothing is even more ominous.

Of course if the rumours are true then Sony may not want to be caught out in a lie ?
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Keith-C
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I wasnt aware I was giving advice , just expressing a viewpoint. And btw how many is "too many"?
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Isn't it enough to see that a garden is beautiful without having to believe that there are fairies at the bottom of it too? - Douglas Adams
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mike_2008 said:
ooh ooh mummy mummy make it all ok, please make it all ok...

Jesus. Do you have no self respect, and nothing better to do than worry about this?

Grow a pair.
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Spare us , more likely, from blaspheming bar-stool psychologists . :)
mike_2008 said:
KEITH-C said:
And do you think that such advice will stop people in their tracks & re-consider or will they merely glance at you on the way out ?

The present situation with regard to FF is that too many ex-Minolta users have already abandoned the A-Mount & now this confusion will hardly stop that trend from continuing. I understand that some would have trouble believing in anything which Sony might say at this stage but to say nothing is even more ominous.

Of course if the rumours are true then Sony may not want to be caught out in a lie ?
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Keith-C
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Keith-C
 
caporip said:
I read with some amusement the various posts following on from the article from Thom Hogan. Firstly let me say I have no particular view on whether what he says is true or not. What gets me however is the reaction to it, with several posters already saying i am going to leave Sony today (or maybe tomorrow) etc coupled with the oh so predictable told you so's.

I have a lot invested in Sony (both glass and camera) and obviously hope it continues in the FF market. However if it does not i will, in the meantime, still be taking photos with my A900 and should it eventually fail, outside of its warranty, then i will look for another one on the second hand market. What I won't be doing however is staying awake at nights worrying about when the Sony FF world is going to end or rushing to Ebay to sell my gear.

Life is simply too short............

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Isn't it enough to see that a garden is beautiful without having to believe that there are fairies at the bottom of it too? - Douglas Adams
http://www.flickr.com/photos/rb56/
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Sony not making a FF camera is not the end of the A mount world. Minolta didn't have a FF camera when I bought my first DSLR the 5D and the 7D is still cherished by its owners. Looking back at the images taken with the 5D they are still some of the best that I've taken.

Minolta owners have far more choice now under Sony than was available 5 years ago and I see no reason to worry about the A mount if there were no longer a FF camera at the top. So long as the A2XX to A7XX series keep improving then I'll be happy.

However on saying that, the icing on the cake would be a cheaper 12-14mp FF camera in the A8XX series as a home to the cheap "Easy Choice" FF lenses just released. That area is where Sony could steal a march on the competition. Entry level FF.

George
http://www.wirralpix.com
 
That Sony has at least one other FF camera to come.

That won't be out till next year then give that a 3 year cycle so for at least the next 3.5 years we have a current FF.

I am guessing by then or soon after some new technology will have supplanted the current Bayer array sensor and maybe even Canikon might be discontinuing production.

Anybody that thinks camera companies are going to keep on grinding out cameras and lenses similar to what they make now is just living in the past.

What happens when some one develops a liquid lens that changes shapes depending on the focal length/DOF you want? Or makes a new type of sensor that is smaller, better and cheaper to produce?

Don't think some new technology will appear and totally shake up photography? Yeah right - and a robot will never be able to walk and the most powerful computer in the world in 1975 will never be available in the future for $299.00 - of course not but a more powerful one is though.

Trying to figure out where cameras will be in five years - and positioning your investment accordingly - is a fools game. None of us here have the slightest idea.

Smoke em if you got em. (old American proverb for all you ferriners :-) ) Enjoy and use the camera you have now and take the future as it comes.

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tom power
 
tompower53 said:
That Sony has at least one other FF camera to come.

That won't be out till next year then give that a 3 year cycle so for at least the next 3.5 years we have a current FF.

I am guessing by then or soon after some new technology will have supplanted the current Bayer array sensor and maybe even Canikon might be discontinuing production.

Anybody that thinks camera companies are going to keep on grinding out cameras and lenses similar to what they make now is just living in the past.

What happens when some one develops a liquid lens that changes shapes depending on the focal length/DOF you want? Or makes a new type of sensor that is smaller, better and cheaper to produce?

Don't think some new technology will appear and totally shake up photography? Yeah right - and a robot will never be able to walk and the most powerful computer in the world in 1975 will never be available in the future for $299.00 - of course not but a more powerful one is though.

Trying to figure out where cameras will be in five years - and positioning your investment accordingly - is a fools game. None of us here have the slightest idea.

Smoke em if you got em. (old American proverb for all you ferriners :-) ) Enjoy and use the camera you have now and take the future as it comes.

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tom power
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I agree. Electronic technology moves very fast. I believe the DSLR system of mirror and prism could be obsolete in two years as electronic viewfinder IQ improves.
George
http://www.wirralpix.com
 
caporip said:
I read with some amusement the various posts following on from the article from Thom Hogan. Firstly let me say I have no particular view on whether what he says is true or not. What gets me however is the reaction to it, with several posters already saying i am going to leave Sony today (or maybe tomorrow) etc coupled with the oh so predictable told you so's.

I have a lot invested in Sony (both glass and camera) and obviously hope it continues in the FF market. However if it does not i will, in the meantime, still be taking photos with my A900 and should it eventually fail, outside of its warranty, then i will look for another one on the second hand market. What I won't be doing however is staying awake at nights worrying about when the Sony FF world is going to end or rushing to Ebay to sell my gear.

Life is simply too short............
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In my case it will be my a700 system that continues on if the worst happens. Though FF or not is not a issue for me, a7xx of quality or not is. That I have a lot invested in photography capability is my key thing. I use that ability, it does not set on a shelf gathering dust.

So who's going to be giving away their A mount things? I'll be happy to lighten your load. For a really low price, of course ;-)

Walt
 
zackiedawg said:
Anyone wondering why Sony isn't selling just needs to take a look at this forum. If you were looking for a camera to buy, and there were 4 doors behind which were current users of each major brand, and you opened each door to see how they liked their cameras, what would you think when you open 3 of the doors to hear various technical questions, folks sharing prints, getting pointers, fixing problems...then you open the Sony door and you get a bunch of people screaming at eachother, insulting eachother, pulling out hair, walking around with their hands up in the air declaring the world has ended, and yelling at you not to buy Sony whatever you do? Hmmm.
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I would say they would see far more folks in here yelling to buy no matter what. Or making personal attacks on anyone with any doubts or cons they talk about. And that would put me off far more than those actually paying attention to what's happening at Sony. Not that any photography forum has that much influence on me, photography forums are tough places to sift out any useful information, no matter what forum.

Sony is not selling because they keep deliberately falling farther behind.

Walt
 
These are just people with blogs. They have opinions and predictions. Some are right, some are wrong. Some we agree with and others we do not.

Thom Hogan says on his site that he makes predictions to be provocative and create discussion. If you look at his 2009 results, his is maybe around 50/50. By quoting him and the others, we generate traffic for their site and I am sure he and Ken thank us.
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'Nothing is more fairly distributed than common sense: no one thinks he needs more of it than he already has.'

Rene Descartes
 
caporip said:
Life is simply too short............
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Right, too short to be continually jerked around by a flaky company like Sony. Other brands that are trustworthy and predictably support their gear are a far more comfortable way to go.

Of course if the money is already spent on a large A mount system it's not easy or cheap to change. And would take many, many years to build up again. Systems require long term planning and support from the brand you choose.

Walt
 
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