Reality check between the FZ50 vs FZ100

So it is wrong to ask questions about a camera that people adore like a god but no valid information to support their claim? You are exhibiting a territorial behavior like a pitbull just because i differ from your opinion especially if you got no information to prove your point except the FZ50 is excellent from personal experience. Now they press ignore to eliminate this poster. Are living in Iran?

So you are saying user experience doesn't matter but the specs are more important? I find that real user experiences tend to hold more weight.
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Oll an gwella,
Jim

Sadly, which is why I did move on...to a DSLR.
The market changed, and panny probably looked at $$$ versus the market.
They either have to follow the trend or get left behind. Cameras like the 50
had a "niche" market. Now, if you camera doesn't have a gazillion megapixels,
fits in your shirt pocket & have a 20-30X zoom range & HD video, 99% of the
clueless camera buyers will pass you by. The super zooms like the 50 will
be supplanted by DSLR's or 4/3's cameras.
I got tired of waiting for the replacement for the 50 and gave it to my
dad (so at least it stays in the family!), and went with a Nikon D5000.

Vandyu said:

Vandyu wrote:
There is no FZ60, 70, 80, or 90. Only an FZ100. It is different.

When the FZ50s stop working, owners can either look for used ones, broken > ones for body parts, or have their cameras repaired. To date, there is no > replacement for the FZ50. Panasonic has moved on.

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In general, depends on one's experience. That's why if you read the consumers reviews, one person is very unhappy with the camera and others are very happy.

But reviewer's experience is more dependable because that is their job to inform the public about the cameras weakness and strength. So I am pointing out that for a camera like the FZ50 which almost double the price of a FZ100 it should not display

severe chroma noise and slow shoot to shoot speed especially if it has bigger CCD sensor. Don't shoot me i am just relaying the message of the experts.

cashewNut said:

In general, depends on one's experience. That's why if you read the consumers reviews, one person is very unhappy with the camera and others are very happy.

But reviewer's experience is more dependable because that is their job to inform the public about the cameras weakness and strength. So I am pointing out that for a camera like the FZ50 which almost double the price of a FZ100 it should not display

severe chroma noise and slow shoot to shoot speed especially if it has bigger CCD sensor. Don't shoot me i am just relaying the message of the experts.

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However there is a reason why the users who have the camera day in and day out IMO are better equipped to render an opinion than a reviewer who only reviewed the camera or handled it perhaps for a few hours, and only shot JPEGs at default settings.

A lot of what you get out of a camera will be based on how you shoot and your experience. I gather you are more into the auto everything, set it and forget it sort. Some on the other hand tweak the settings or shoot RAW or need an external TTL flash. If you do manual focusing you will appreciate the FZ50, but if you want to shoot with one hand on IA mode then it is probably not the camera for you.

The reason the FZ30 and FZ50 are so well-respected is primarily their ergonomics. The noise problem can be worked around quite well in PP, even using a batch command, and frankly I see little need to use more than ISO400 for the majority of shots when the IS works so well. Yes, the shot to shot times are slow by modern standards and even slow compared to the FZ30 which is older. However have you checked shot to shot times and burst on the HS10 which I think you were considering? It has an even smaller buffer.

We'll have to wait and see how good the FZ100 is in real use, but I can tell you right now the ergonomics will be no match for the FZ50, I think even reviewers could get that one right.

I don't think you will find many people unhappy with the FZ50. Some who did moved to DSLRs, but few replace the FZ50 with another bridge camera.
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Oll an gwella,
Jim

Yawn, Yawn, I heard all these same people saying the same things on the Fuji HS10 site. I heard it on the Canon site. I am hearing it here. We don't have to defend our FZ50s just enjoy using them. We can also enjoy one of the new super zooms too. I have 4 bridge cameras and enjoy using them all. My favorite right now is the Casio FH20 becasue I really like the Slow motion and 40 fps shooting. It is far from a perfect camera but it's still fun to use. I also have a small Olympus pocket camera with an underwater plastic shell that will go 100 feet below the surface and I love it also when I'm at the ocean or with Grand kids in the swim pool. We shoot movies and stills of ourselves underwater and act goofy and then take them inside and laugh at each other making faces under water or I put them into Photoshop and place sharks and baracuda in the water with them. What a great blast we have with our photos and cameras. I haven't pixel peeped once and I don't care which camera I have with me, I love them all for one reason or the other. But I have a special fondness for the FZ50. It just feels good in my hands, which are big, and I like the following it has with other owners. But I will buy one of the super zooms because I can see myself having a lot of fun with this camera also and doing things with it the FZ50 won't do because it's a new camera with new items. I just love cameras and it sounds like many of you do too. Enjoy them.

You are correct. I don't use raw and mainly a point and shoot. I just don't have the extra time to post process my pictures-too many after a trip. Mostly album size- 4 x6. Besides, people who look at them are not too keen like we have on this forum. i have one friend who like the purple colors around trees and buildings taken by Casio S600. To him it is very artistic. I told it is a camera defect called chromatic aberration but he likes it. As long as it is not noisy. I was thinking of getting the HS10 but I have decided to get the lumix TS2-another point and shoot. My wife hates complicated cameras. The FZ50 has a very high user satisfaction rate and that is good for the camera.

The FZ45 will give you most of the modern things you mention, except the screen which remains at 200'000 ish (which is a shame in 2010, a pure shame). Oh and you don't get the fast fps. But all the rest you do get, and the camera is also smaller and lighter.

It's either kind of sad, or a proof of how good a job the Panny engineers did back then, that all these years later the FZ50's IQ remains better.

This being said from my old FZ18 I also get photographs that are much better, IQ-wise, than the FZ100 samples. Must be that CMOS sensor.

A fantastic appraisal that accurately follows Panasonics thoughts entirely. So I'm not changing because of what then?

Could it be that from off the FZ50 will beat any other camera on Earth to a shot randomly presented for capture between 35 and 420mm (possibly macro) by many whole seconds?

On the competition table you have a DSLR body on the left ready to fit either of its lens, the FZ50 in the middle, and the FZ100 to its right. Opening the sealed envelope I can reveal that the challenge is a shot at 333mm -1EV. Ready, steady, GO. .....................

And look at that ladies and gentlemen, the FZ50 was shot taken, switched off and back on the table before the others got to the shot. Truly remarkable.

Ahh those captured family moments at FZ50 quality. All banked; job done; kids grown up. Thank you Panasonic for the FZ50. You've never done better.

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The FZ50: DSLR handling of a bright Leica 35-420mm lens that's this good: http://www.flickr.com/groups/panasonicfz50/pool/ (slideshow always good)
[Tomorrows camera is better and smaller than todays]

So, the FZ50 is kind of the lovable wooly mammoth of the Lumix family?
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TerryLee, you make so much sense!
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Why Not Help Someone to Feel A Little Better Every Day?

Agreed.

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The FZ50: DSLR handling of a bright Leica 35-420mm lens that's this good: http://www.flickr.com/groups/panasonicfz50/pool/ (slideshow always good)
[Tomorrows camera is better and smaller than todays]

Well a wooly mammoth doing tricks on a skate board if you want an analogy.

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The FZ50: DSLR handling of a bright Leica 35-420mm lens that's this good: http://www.flickr.com/groups/panasonicfz50/pool/ (slideshow always good)
[Tomorrows camera is better and smaller than todays]

and not one of you has even held an FZ100 yet

I remember the same kind of foolishness when the FZ50 came out; Simon’s review was less than flattering and the posts were absolutely scathing, people were grieving the loss of the FZ30 and nothing would pacify the masses, it was the Panasonic equivalent of a Wall St crash. While people were grieving the loss of sanity at Panasonic my wife and I were at Wilson’s Promontory National Park with two brand new FZ50’s that were delivered the first morning they were available in OZ and we were having the time of our lives taking pictures. My point is they are just cameras, get over the numbers and get on with the job of enjoying photography. There will always be greater and lesser cameras and greater and lesser photographers, but equipment and numbers will never make up for talent.

For those who love big numbers the FZ100 is a bargain and Panasonic have only designated it 100 so as the counters among you will be fooled into thinking that it must be twice as good as an FZ50. It’s just as well cameras are like good wine in that they seem to get better with age, at least a few cameras I’ve owned have…Dave

The forum is to enjoy just as much as the cameras themselves. The FZ100 will doubtless prove an admirable camera. Though on paper it already cannot offer the same handling as the FZ50. But there are many things it will doubtless offer that are the better of the FZ50.

As a grown up FZ20 with flip out screen the FZ100 will shine. The FZ20 was well loved. To get to an FZ50 upgrade you need to put a smaller sensor in the G series so you can permafix a stonking manual lens on. Gees I make it sound so easy. Where is this camera?

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The FZ50: DSLR handling of a bright Leica 35-420mm lens that's this good: http://www.flickr.com/groups/panasonicfz50/pool/ (slideshow always good)
[Tomorrows camera is better and smaller than todays]

It's the Bricklin, one hit wonder of Lumix family. LOL.

All we have for the FZ100 are "specs" = specification and speculation, although some people have already held the FZ100, both pre- and post- production models, and shown us sample images. I still don't know what to make of it: shooting stills at 60 fps at 3.5MP is more than I have on the FZ50 in max EZ, and that's going to open up a range of possibilities.

lostinoz said:

and not one of you has even held an FZ100 yet

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Does it layer images?
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The FZ50: DSLR handling of a bright Leica 35-420mm lens that's this good: http://www.flickr.com/groups/panasonicfz50/pool/ (slideshow always good)
[Tomorrows camera is better and smaller than todays]

Sad part is there was / is no need for a bun fight. Unlike some other forums, we here have never turned on ourselves within the Panny brand to fight over one camera vs. another (though preferences have oft been stated). We have never been about trashing one Panny vs. another and we don't need that kind of nonsense.

I think perhaps the original poster decided to purchase an FZ-100 and went all out to reassure himself (and sought company) that he was buying something better than anyone else with a Panny had. There was no need of that.

I hope the FZ-100 tests out well and Panny sells a bunch of them, but that doesn't mean I have to dump my FZ-50 and buy one.

I'm still using my FZ30. I know it's early days for the FZ100 samples, but I would have expected sensor technology to have advanced to the point where a 1/2.3 sensor could be as good as an old 1/1.8 sensor. This doesn't appear to be the case, but time will tell. Like many FZ30/50 owners, I took a trip over to the Fuji forum when the HS10 was announced. Early samples were horrible, but later we were seeing some very good images. I'm sure it will be the same with the FZ100 (these already look a lot better than the early HS10 shots). But I can see why there is no place for a FZ50 successor. Those of us with FZ30s and 50s that are looking to upgrade are probably ready to move on and looking at 4/3 or larger sensors. I for one want better low light capability and that's probably going to mean APS-C. Newcomers will love the FZ100. It's a great camera for capturing a whole variety of shots and in good lighting will produce some decent images. I'll stick with the FZ30 for a while longer and see what Photokina comes up with. I've actually only just started using the FZ30 with raw and am amazed how much more dynamic range it has; I didn't expect this from a small sensor.