717 a disaster

Yeah, what you said.

Who all remembers the pan-focus mode on the S70 and I believe the 505V??? That was an interesting attempt to alleviate all focus issues.
Ok, for those looking for an example of the f717 inability to focus
properly here you go. It's a perfect example

http://www.pbase.com/image/5958835

You will note that there were two subjects. One to the left of the
frame, one to the right of the frame. In the middle is the
background of the dining area; it can be seen, however dimly and
it is also clear that the camera mistakenly focused on the tables
in the background. I think Sony could do a much better job. After
all, -I- wanted the two people to be in focus, and I think Sony
should be able to provide me with a camera that will focus where I
think the focus should be! Clearly, in spite of there being TWO
proper areas to focus on, the f717 doggedly REFUSED to focus in the
correct place and instead chose to focus in the MIDDLE of the
frame! What's up with THAT??
And I hope you appreciate me finding this photograph. I shot
something like 80 pictures that night and it wasn't easy to find
this one. Several shots were attempted hand holds with me bracing
against a wall and some of those (not all) were blurry. (and what's
up with THAT, Sony? ). But this was the only one I could find that
was poorly focused in that dim dining room, so I had to view a LOT
of pictures to find this example of Sony's shoddy focusing!
I'm pretty sure the Nikon 5700 would have focused 100% of them
correctly. After all it's focus assist is probably much more
sophisticated. (5700 owners can chime in here)
One out of 80 pics with a poor focus is not acceptable to me, and
it shouldn't be to you either. That's 8% of the pictures! Those of
you that agree with me should immediately box up your camera and
send it to me in protest. I'll provide the address for any
interested parties.
After you send me your camera in protest, go pick up a Nikon 5700.
Now THERE is a camera that can focus well in low light. Right?
Riiigght?
Just being lighthearted here.
--
TurboTed

(It's easier just being insane than acting insane)
 
Ok, for those looking for an example of the f717 inability to focus
properly here you go. It's a perfect example

http://www.pbase.com/image/5958835
I think your answer is on page 47 of the manual.
Come on! Go back and read my post! I was JOKING.... 1 out of 80 is 8% ??? I expect the camera to magically know I want to focus on the people on the side? I was trying to be outlandish and point out that often people's expectations are simply ...silly... I don't mean to imply the original poster was silly, I didn't see his pictures, but often people complain when the camera itself is working just fine. I shot 80 pictures in low light under very trying conditions and the camera was excellent.

I also took a back handed jab at the 5700 which has NO focus assist at all and would probably have choked totally in that room.

It's a sad, sad commentary that I was taken seriously. I failed miserably in my attempt at humor.. oh...the shame, the horror... :0)
 
Please excuse if I am the one who is wrong.
well guess what after two 717s that had focusing problems the third
one focuses much better still not like 707 the @#$% lcd screen and
evf have gone out tried the reset nothing you hear the song and see
nothing this one about 5 hours old. yeah great product of the year
thank god for B&h and sears return policy will not try again.
MAC west NYC
ps waiting for everyone to tell me nothing wrong with camera its me.
 
Hey Ulysses,

Just between you and me, I thought about correcting Arvin too (I always want to fix other people's typos - including mine) but in this atmosphere (what an atmosphere!), I didn't want to get in the line of fire.

This is one amazing brawl!

David Clark
Hey... I'll trade you my fully functional 707 for your 717, so long
as the EVF/LCD actually works. (I'll "deal" with the hassles of
returning it if it is a dude) ;)
Did you mean "dud" instead? :-]

Ulysses
 
Wait a minute. I have an F717 on it's way here and NOW I find out that it doesn't automatically know what's the subject? What's AUTOMATIC mode for then?

Point and shoot. My foot!

heeheehee . . . just stirring the pot.
--
W.C. VandenBerg

 
Quickly losing my enthusiasm with all these negative comments...and
my camera is not even here yet. I sure hope a bunch of people post
some good-old 707 style saturated pictures!!!!!! Neon colors or
not!
Isabel

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Digipets/?yguid=11497599
You need to understand that there is a certain group of people with
some sort of obsessive compulsive disorder that requires them to
desperately find a fault in whatever major purchase they commit to,
in order to come on the Internet and wail and moan as a group.
They get off on their misery, real or imagined. First it was hype
surrounding dark edges and banding in photos, which was quickly
extinguished. Now it's this phantom focusing issue. Even when
that's shown to be completely unfounded, they'll find something new
to latch onto. It's their way.

The biggest problem the 707 ever had was DLS, which while real, was
-very- exaggerated. A lot of people whose cameras exhibited no
signs of this problem whatsoever were practically in hysterics over
it.

You just have to understand the mindset of these people and remind
yourself that there will never be any satisfying them because they
will seek out the smallest thing to turn into their Internet
tragedy.

--
Josh
--
Jay Jervey
Former Sony DSC-S70, S85, F707
Canon S200 (ultra portable)
Sony DSC-F717
 
To me the source of the focusing problem was obvious, there were twenty empty wine glasses on that table!
-EL
Come on! Go back and read my post! I was JOKING.... 1 out of 80 is
8% ??? I expect the camera to magically know I want to focus on
the people on the side? I was trying to be outlandish and point
out that often people's expectations are simply ...silly... I don't
mean to imply the original poster was silly, I didn't see his
pictures, but often people complain when the camera itself is
working just fine. I shot 80 pictures in low light under very
trying conditions and the camera was excellent.
I also took a back handed jab at the 5700 which has NO focus assist
at all and would probably have choked totally in that room.
It's a sad, sad commentary that I was taken seriously. I failed
miserably in my attempt at humor.. oh...the shame, the horror...
:0)
 
OK, Kimberly. I am sorry. Please forgive me for any future Chauvinism faux pas I may commit. If I ever meet you, I promise not to open any doors for you.

Now, shag your little butt into the kitchen and fetch me a brew.
-EL
heehee, just teasing, but you left yourself wide open for that one!
We need more women on here. You know people to put flowers on the
tables and airwicks in the dark corners of the forum. --
--Kimberly--
I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs...
 
I was just trying to be nice. "Why can't folks just get along?"
-EL
Had a feeling that one would draw some lightning. Wait until Helen
reads it. :-)
 
First it was hype
surrounding dark edges and banding in photos, which was quickly
extinguished.
Josh --

The true hyperbole, where present, might well have been "extinguished" and it deserved to be. Almost invariably it came from people unprepared to do some intelligent testing and research before bleating too loudly. But this makes it sound like ALL of it was hyperbole, and that sort of generalisation is just as unproductive as the ranting that it seeks to condemn.
Now it's this phantom focusing issue. Even when
that's shown to be completely unfounded, they'll find something new
to latch onto. It's their way.
Again, let's not allow the irritations of the knee-jerkers to blind us to real issues such as might surface. A conservative, balanced approach stands to help everyone, including the hypemeisters by sustained example.
The biggest problem the 707 ever had was DLS, which while real, was
-very- exaggerated. A lot of people whose cameras exhibited no
signs of this problem whatsoever were practically in hysterics over
it.
Panicked over and wondered about by many, exaggerated by a very few (who really had it) in scale. But not always. When you've paid in Australian or European currency for any leading 5 Mp digicam, it can be hard to swallow the fact that your camera displays a 10–15% luminance falloff towards the edges, even if it doesn't have a huge manifestation of DLSS (often there was serious vignetting with these specimens as well), while your neighbour's properly manufactured and adjusted one is returning more like 1–4%. And it hurts when Sony keeps the thing for 2 months, fixes nothing, and returns it with a damaged case -- as happened to a compatriot of mine who probably paid close to AU$3000 for it. Not good enough.

To summarise this fairly one also need to keep in mind that statistics only usefully serve those with marketing and political agendas. No matter if the risk of death by disease or accident drops by an order of magnitude to, say, 0.01% of the population per annum, it's of bugger-all solace if you're in that 0.01 percentile!

Mike
 
well guess what after two 717s that had focusing problems the third
one focuses much better still not like 707 the @#$% lcd screen and
evf have gone out tried the reset nothing you hear the song and see
nothing this one about 5 hours old. yeah great product of the year
thank god for B&h and sears return policy will not try again.
MAC west NYC
ps waiting for everyone to tell me nothing wrong with camera its me.
Hiyas friends! :)

Just want to keep some good balance here... I have an F707 that I am perfectly happy with. No problems what so ever, (except a slight preference for red stuff :)

I am right now evaluating a brand new 717 as well... Believe it or not but I love BOTH cameras! Will not trade one for the other but rather think both are keepers! :)

Happy shooting!

Bo
 
Oh, c'mon, Bo. Keep shooting. If you're happy with your cameras than you must not be doing something right. Maybe if you keep shooting you can find something wrong with them. Be creative. Move around a little while you shoot. Jump. I'm sure you can get one of them to get out of focus if you work at it.
well guess what after two 717s that had focusing problems the third
one focuses much better still not like 707 the @#$% lcd screen and
evf have gone out tried the reset nothing you hear the song and see
nothing this one about 5 hours old. yeah great product of the year
thank god for B&h and sears return policy will not try again.
MAC west NYC
ps waiting for everyone to tell me nothing wrong with camera its me.
Hiyas friends! :)

Just want to keep some good balance here... I have an F707 that I
am perfectly happy with. No problems what so ever, (except a
slight preference for red stuff :)

I am right now evaluating a brand new 717 as well... Believe it or
not but I love BOTH cameras! Will not trade one for the other but
rather think both are keepers! :)

Happy shooting!

Bo
--
Jim Fuglestad - Stickin' with my 707
Why simply live and let live? Live and help live.
http://www.pbase.com/jfuglestad/galleries
 
Dear Shutter,

Oh yes I am sure you are right! There MUST be something wrong with my inability to get any of these cameras to mailfunction. It IS scarey they behave excellent all of the time... I admit that... LOL!

Oh, by the way, thank you for the tip about jumping! I will get a ladder on the spot! If I am lucky and take the pic right in the middle of the jump I MIHGT get it at least a little blurry, right? :)

Bo
well guess what after two 717s that had focusing problems the third
one focuses much better still not like 707 the @#$% lcd screen and
evf have gone out tried the reset nothing you hear the song and see
nothing this one about 5 hours old. yeah great product of the year
thank god for B&h and sears return policy will not try again.
MAC west NYC
ps waiting for everyone to tell me nothing wrong with camera its me.
Hiyas friends! :)

Just want to keep some good balance here... I have an F707 that I
am perfectly happy with. No problems what so ever, (except a
slight preference for red stuff :)

I am right now evaluating a brand new 717 as well... Believe it or
not but I love BOTH cameras! Will not trade one for the other but
rather think both are keepers! :)

Happy shooting!

Bo
--
 
It seems that every respectable poster has something to say about this like, Shay,Phil Askey,Shutter, I too will be saying something as I'm right up with them!

Eeeh F171 is bad. Can I go home now? :)
 
One last thought. I would rather have my head in the sand than
where yours seems to be.
because I have a problem with it you dont want to hear about it so
start a forum where only people can post good things . stick your
head in the sand and dont read my posts if they make you unhappy
.I didnt know this was about making people happy or informing
people about problems with the product. Mac west NYC
--
John
::: Getting the popcorn :::
 

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