Top 10 Things I Hope Never to Read Here Again - Thanks dpr

Do you invest pictures to purchase a camera thus the camera produces more pictures. No. You invest money. Then you would expect a return on your original investment which would be money.
4. A camera is nothing more than a depreciating asset. Calling your equipment an investment in a system is foolish. There's no such thing as an investment in photography equipment.
From a monitary standpoint, this is true unless you make money of selling your pictures. While glass may hold its value, it still is depreciation, and the camera much more. Same with your car. Unless you use it to create income, it too is a depreciationg asset.
Equipment is an investment in future photos. That's the return, not money. You invest in potential photos you might can take with the equipment. Some equipment has more potential than other parts of the system, and over a longer term, lenses being an example. And how many of those photos you actually get from your equipment is primarily up to you learning and using the equipment.

Walt
 
Actually all I want is an absence of aggressive, rude, judgmental people who think their opinions are all that matter and anybody who disagrees will be attacked and belittled with sarcastic responses. We all have different opinions, needs and wants. Lets respect that.
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Tom

Look at the picture, not the pixels

http://www.flickr.com/photos/25301400@N00/
 
Good one!

You've admitted on more than one occasion that you've trolled this forum.

When you do that, do you deserve to be treated with kid gloves?

That's actually been one of the biggest problems here. Trolling by the fanboys with exaggerated claims of Sony dominance, or denigration of other brands.

These trollers always fall back on the tack, "if you disagree with me you are putting down Sony on a Sony forum."

That and I would say the general arrogance level of novice photographers here is the other cause of sarcastic response and I don't see near as much of it on any of the other forums.

There, newbies tend to ask their question and discuss the responses for clarification. Here, the noobs make statements like those listed above and then defend them as it they have an inalienable right to say the dumbest things.

Its like in this country, those who believe the earth is 5,000 years old and primitive people rode dinasaurs will tell you they have a right to their opinion and its as valid as the scientific approach.

And in our politically correct society we are led to believe that every opinion is as valid as every other opinion.

That's just not true. If your defense of your position is that you have the right to make dumb statements because, after all, "its my opinion, you have your opinion and I have mine so mine is just as valid as yours!" then perhaps a sarcastic response is in order as a learning experience.

But, again, I don't see those kind of comments as much on other forums.
Actually all I want is an absence of aggressive, rude, judgmental people who think their opinions are all that matter and anybody who disagrees will be attacked and belittled with sarcastic responses. We all have different opinions, needs and wants. Lets respect that.
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Tom

Look at the picture, not the pixels

http://www.flickr.com/photos/25301400@N00/
 
Your response was totally over the top, rude and arrogant, I can not believe you meant what you said and that you attact tbcass post. Shame on you
 
Oh, shut up!

tbcass is a big boy and can stick up for himself. He doesn't need you to whine about it.
Your response was totally over the top, rude and arrogant, I can not believe you meant what you said and that you attact tbcass post. Shame on you
 
Good one!

You've admitted on more than one occasion that you've trolled this forum.
Actually I admitted I trolled in the Mac newsgroups after they attacked me. That was about 10 years ago!!! What I said was I have been rude here in the past in retaliation to somebody being rude to me. I no longer do that.

I'm glad you responded in the predictable rude manor you did because YOU are one of the biggest offenders here. Many of the responses you give display a great deal of anger. I feel sorry for you.

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Tom

Look at the picture, not the pixels

http://www.flickr.com/photos/25301400@N00/
 
Ah, you mistake anger for annoyance grasshopper!.

Annoyance with the arrogance and rudeness of neophytes who bring their preconceived notions to a forum with experienced users and feel free to repeat them ad nauseum.

And then there are the old timers, like yourself, who never really got into the hobby beyond taking snapshots, but by virtue of age think they can lecture on the process.

And finally, we have the politically correct who want everyone to feel warm and fuzzy by giving equal value to the opinions of the greenest newbie and most experienced veteran, regardless of value.

No, it doesn't make me mad and most of the time its better than a Marx Bros. movie but once in a while (see the Top Ten List Above) it all just gets too annoying.

So don't feel sorry for me, feel sorry for yourself because you just don't really get it.
Good one!

You've admitted on more than one occasion that you've trolled this forum.
Actually I admitted I trolled in the Mac newsgroups after they attacked me. That was about 10 years ago!!! What I said was I have been rude here in the past in retaliation to somebody being rude to me. I no longer do that.

I'm glad you responded in the predictable rude manor you did because YOU are one of the biggest offenders here. Many of the responses you give display a great deal of anger. I feel sorry for you.

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Tom

Look at the picture, not the pixels

http://www.flickr.com/photos/25301400@N00/
 
Jimb100 Is there a test you take or are you self appointed either way you are just plan rude
 
Do you invest pictures to purchase a camera thus the camera produces more pictures. No. You invest money. Then you would expect a return on your original investment which would be money.
Richard - I tend to disagree. Return on investment is not always financial in nature - it can be anything of value to the investor. While not true in the financial definition of ROI, in the real life of many hobbyists, the ROI is the joy they get. Think of it as a quality of life investment rather than a financial investment. If your goal is quality of life rather than financial return, and you gain quality of life as a result of your investment then you have achieved your desired ROI. Now, if you're running a business all that goes out the window. Then you start making decisions based on dollars and cents - you buy gear not because of an increase in quality of life but because it will justify itself in actual income.

In my specific case it was both. I sold photo to buy equipment. The fact I used that equipment in a professional capacity helped me write off the income as I chose single year write-offs for the gear.
 
everyone is getting on just fine here.

Honestly, I don't know where you guys get the energy for all this endless bickering. This OP post was set up to generate just such argument...and it has worked like a charm. One group gloats, the other group snipes, and so the whole merry-go-round goes on. It's getting a tad predictable...everyone rehearsing the same old lines. Can't we move on.

So the Sony forums continue to be a strange place where owners of the same brand just can't get on...it's an odd phenomenon.

I'm going off to see if the NEX forum is any better humoured - I do hope so. Otherwise I may just go back and reside in the KM forum which is always civil, helpful, cooperative...and dare I say actually interested in photography.
 
This is now a contest to see what it will take for you to hit the "ignore user" button. I can think of no earthly reason why you would continue to read my posts so do us both a favor and hit the button.

Or is it just too enjoyable for you to have someone to complain about and to provide you with that "holier than thou" feeling.

If you have any respect for yourself you will hit the "ignore user" button because I'm not going to change to suit you.

lol

JUST DO IT!
Jimb100 Is there a test you take or are you self appointed either way you are just plan rude
 
Do you invest pictures to purchase a camera thus the camera produces more pictures. No. You invest money. Then you would expect a return on your original investment which would be money.
Richard - I tend to disagree. Return on investment is not always financial in nature - it can be anything of value to the investor. While not true in the financial definition of ROI, in the real life of many hobbyists, the ROI is the joy they get. Think of it as a quality of life investment rather than a financial investment. If your goal is quality of life rather than financial return, and you gain quality of life as a result of your investment then you have achieved your desired ROI. Now, if you're running a business all that goes out the window. Then you start making decisions based on dollars and cents - you buy gear not because of an increase in quality of life but because it will justify itself in actual income.

In my specific case it was both. I sold photo to buy equipment. The fact I used that equipment in a professional capacity helped me write off the income as I chose single year write-offs for the gear.
All toys are bought to improve 'quality of life'. That does not make them an investment. - TF
 

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