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RogerMexico said:
Fair enough. Here are three. All jpegs, and I'll admit the Wood Duck is way too dark. Nothing wrong w/ stationary bird shots but I don't believe that one needs a Nikon to shoot birds or anything else for that matter.
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But nearly every one of my "stationary bird shots" that you speak of were my Pentax shots. I could not get decent moving bird shots with my Pentax gear and that is one reason why I moved to Nikon. I have yet to really give my Nikon gear a whirl at BIF but I did try it the other day for the first time, see below. I would never have been able to get this shot with my Pentax gear unless it was a fluke shot as the seagull was flying very fast across the frame and the Nikon predictive and 3D tracking nailed it. I was actually learning as I was shooting with the Nikon gear I was using as I had never used it before. Maybe other's may have been able to achieve this feat with their Pentax gear, but I doubt I could have, unless it was a lucky shot as I said above.


RogerMexico said:
You know as well as I do that there are countless images in PPG of action shots and on numerous other photo sites as well. I have nothing against Nikon, but I believe, as others have said, it is getting rather tiresome having these continual Nikon photos in this forum. We don't see that from Sony or Canon and I'd dare say when it come to speed the 7D can hold its own.
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Well, the people who have left and gone to Nikon were asked by Pentax forum members to give their findings on their Nikon gear. There were not too many, if any, Pentax forum members that have gone to Canon or Sony and that were asked by current Pentax forum members to come back and advise of their findings with their new system. I was asked about my thoughts and so was Gordon and hence the reason for this thread by Gordon. I have never started any threads with regards to my Nikon gear and any perceived benefits of it over my Pentax gear, rather that I had responded in existing threads in answer to forum members questions.

It is good to see you actually post some photos for a change, but I think you fail to see the reasoning why I posted photos of "stationary birds in full sunlight" when I was a Pentax shooter. It was not to show any attribute of my skill (or lack of) but to show the attributes of the various lenses that I was using, ie the IQ from those lenses. These were posted as information to the Pentax forum members as to what could be expected from the various lenses that I was showcasing, so I fail to see why you feel the need to disparage my postings in this regard. It just seems to me that it smacks of sour grapes and the fact that I do carry some credence on this forum.




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Lance B
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You seem to be a nice enough guy but completely lacking in common sense.
What did you expect after the last debacle??

All you had to do was post the photos in the Nikon forum (where they belong) and post a short message here with a link to your photos in the Nikon forum.

Those who are interested enough will then simply follow your link to the Nikon forum. Easy to do, after all there are no barriers.

This isn't rocket science, just simple common sense and courtesy, which is the minimum we expect from you (we already know you take great photos).
Peter
 
HE WAS ASKED TO POST HERE.Why does it matter so much? It's not anybodies house it's an internet forum.Besides it's been very entertaining,some of you guys are good writers.
 
Lance B said:
RogerMexico said:
Fair enough. Here are three. All jpegs, and I'll admit the Wood Duck is way too dark. Nothing wrong w/ stationary bird shots but I don't believe that one needs a Nikon to shoot birds or anything else for that matter.
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It is good to see you actually post some photos for a change, but I think you fail to see the reasoning why I posted photos of "stationary birds in full sunlight" when I was a Pentax shooter. It was not to show any attribute of my skill (or lack of) but to show the attributes of the various lenses that I was using, ie the IQ from those lenses. These were posted as information to the Pentax forum members as to what could be expected from the various lenses that I was showcasing, so I fail to see why you feel the need to disparage my postings in this regard. It just seems to me that it smacks of sour grapes and the fact that I do carry some credence on this forum.
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Lance, I believe that what you say is the same reason that RM pokes fun at my "lamp post" shots. He hasn't been around here long enough to know that because I have tons of long lenses the forum members were interested in seeing comparison shots for sharpness so I obliged them. Sure I could have driven 50 to 100 miles and perhaps found a bird or something else to shoot at but it was much easier to just step outside and take the shot of the lamp post. A one inch square peice of tape on a lamp post with the number 10 written on it and taken from 100 feet away told a lot about a lens IMO. However, RM is such an (fill in the blank) IMO that he thinks that all I shoot at are "lamp posts".

As far as i'm concerned his ducks in the lake are no different than your stationary birds in full sunlight. I guess though, because they are colorful, then he thinks they are something special. Heck, I could have taken those same shots with my eyes closed. :-)

Cheers.

Ron

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'Keep your eyes looking forward. However, glance back now and then to see where you've come from. It will put a smile on your face.' ~ brandrx
 
Just wanted to thank the OP.

I am a proud owner of K7 with bunch of optics, I've just convinced my dad to move from Nikon to Pentax (first K20, then K-x which suits him better) and most probably I am not going to switch the brands, even though my brothers shoot with advanced Nikons. So, anyway, I am not a troll.

I am grateful that somebody with extensive hands-on experience with current Pentax, using the equipment in a (semi?)professional way and pushing it to the limit - even if just in one area - shared his thoughts and explained his decision to move over, and was kind enough to come back to his old folks and provide us with some follow-up. What's the problem? Yes, I think honest users might be interested to hear his opinion.

Gordon, please keep posting.

Maxim Novikov
 
flashpixx said:
Opps wrong button! Sorry Gazooma.

WARNING: THE FOLLOWING POST CONTAINS CONTENT OF A NON-PENTAX NATURE. IF YOU THINK YOU WILL BE OFFENDED BY SUCH MATERIAL PLEASE DON'T READ IT.

NOTE :THE FOLLOWING ARE PERSONAL OBSERVATIONS AND IN NOW WAY ARE MEANT TO GET ANY PENTAX FANBOY'S KNICKERS IN A TWIST.

When the D300 arrived I admit to being a bit daunted by the menus. Fortunately I had a 4 hour plane ride and a cheat sheet developed by a member of another (very friendly) forum. By the time I finished playing I was well acquainted with the set up, and had changed a few things to suit myself. I have had three Pentax DSLR's so am well accustomed to them. Not sure if I can make a valid comparison to the Nikon other than to say it is different. All the options, plus a few more are there and I could find them all.

Ergonomics are a big thing. The best thing for me is the shutter release. The button is light but has a positive feel, somehow more pleasant to use in an action environment than the K7. The larger body (and my smallish hands) make one handed ISO and Ev adjustments a thing of the past. The viewfinder on the D300 is easily the best I've used (for me) it is big, 100% and bright and MF is a breeze. The front wheel doesn't do as much as the K7's.

I thought I would get all hung up about the lens change being the opposite to Pentax. Pentax is an easy job to do while holding the camera, Nikon not quite so, but I did manage it. In the end not as hard as I was expecting. The screen on the back is the same as Pentax, the cover that comes with it is a good idea.

Using the D300 is a different experience. Setting up is no more difficult than the K7. The whole viewfinder, fast AF, nice shutter release combo is just great. This is the biggest difference for me. It still has M, Tv, Av and P - even if called something different.

Auto metering appears to be very similar to the K7 - consistently accurate with a tendency towards slight under exposure. I have only used the 1008 zone matrix metering (I thinks that is what they call it).

As far as colours are concerened, there may be a slight tendency towards flatter colours (washed out if you like) but nothing overly concerning. Can't comment on WB, left it on auto and so far has been 100% accurate, but I've not really challended it.

I shoot 100% RAW so in Nikon speak I use 12 bit lossless compression. Filesize averages around 11mb so smaller than the K7, as you would expect from a smaller rez sensor. I believe, but have not researched it to a great extent, that the image quality of the K7 and D300 are pretty similar in RAW. I haven't noticed anything hugely different so far apart from the slightly washed out colours.

The D300 + 70-200 combo is heavy. I don't have the grip yet, other than making it heavier again I'm hoping it will balance the set up abit.

I have another shoot this coming weekend which is an event I cover for the mag I work for, so the pressure will be on, both me and the D300. Will have the grip by then (if B&H deliver), and should have some more to report if anyone wants to hear it. Maybe I should start a blog rather than upsetting the fanboys here. But as I was invited...

Anyway, back to your scheduled programming.....
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That's really a very good post. Generally pretty useful for Pentaxians who have the K-7 and, with Photokina looming, are maybe starting to think about what they might do next.

Maybe if you'd said all that in your opening post, and also put a link to your pictures (which you could have posted in the Nikon forum), then you could have saved some of the angst expended in this thread.

Then again, hindsight is a wonderful thing.

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sfa

A very limited photographer ...

 
You insult people for no reason, but if you succeed (I am sure you won't), the only losers will be us - we'll never see Lance's shots again. besides, being angry and nasty is not healthy :-) Go get some good sex and relax
 
Gordon, thanks so much for taking the trouble to share your experience as a seasoned Pentax user. What you are finding in the D300 is very interesting reading and appreciated, though not to about 1% of the people who come to this forum. Never mind the rude remarks. To me, they make me more determined to get to the truth of issues, and not feel intimidated. I think there are only about 10 of so of these loud ones making all the noise regularly. There are at least 10 times as many who appreciate the information you posted, and I should point out they are the more knowledgeable, logical, objective and mature ones here.

Please continue to post your comments and how your equipment differs from Pentax, what you have missed from the switch and what you are impressed by.
 
brandrx said:
Lance B said:
RogerMexico said:
Fair enough. Here are three. All jpegs, and I'll admit the Wood Duck is way too dark. Nothing wrong w/ stationary bird shots but I don't believe that one needs a Nikon to shoot birds or anything else for that matter.
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It is good to see you actually post some photos for a change, but I think you fail to see the reasoning why I posted photos of "stationary birds in full sunlight" when I was a Pentax shooter. It was not to show any attribute of my skill (or lack of) but to show the attributes of the various lenses that I was using, ie the IQ from those lenses. These were posted as information to the Pentax forum members as to what could be expected from the various lenses that I was showcasing, so I fail to see why you feel the need to disparage my postings in this regard. It just seems to me that it smacks of sour grapes and the fact that I do carry some credence on this forum.
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Hey Ron,

Good to see you are still here and not banned. That would have been a gross injustice and great loss to this forum. :-)
brandrx said:
Lance, I believe that what you say is the same reason that RM pokes fun at my "lamp post" shots. He hasn't been around here long enough to know that because I have tons of long lenses the forum members were interested in seeing comparison shots for sharpness so I obliged them. Sure I could have driven 50 to 100 miles and perhaps found a bird or something else to shoot at but it was much easier to just step outside and take the shot of the lamp post. A one inch square peice of tape on a lamp post with the number 10 written on it and taken from 100 feet away told a lot about a lens IMO. However, RM is such an (fill in the blank) IMO that he thinks that all I shoot at are "lamp posts".
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You are correct, Ron. It is a pity that some of these newer members don't look before they post, or at least find out why some forum members, like your good self, have such good standing on this forum. They then might understand the reasoning behind much of what you do and why.
brandrx said:
As far as i'm concerned his ducks in the lake are no different than your stationary birds in full sunlight. I guess though, because they are colorful, then he thinks they are something special. Heck, I could have taken those same shots with my eyes closed. :-)
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LOL. I think that much of what some of the newer members are trying to do is knock a few of the more established and well thought of members their mantle in some hope of gaining credence. Unfortunately, it always seems to backfire.

Take care, Ron. Don't let the b'stards get you down and most of us would miss you if you got banned, so be easy old mate.
brandrx said:
Cheers.

Ron

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'The first thing I do each morning is grab one of my Pentax DSLR cameras and stroll to the mirror just so I can start the day off with a double dose of beauty.' ~ brandrx

'Keep your eyes looking forward. However, glance back now and then to see where you've come from. It will put a smile on your face.' ~ brandrx
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Lance B
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Lance,
first I have to admit I don't know how to get the EXIF data from the shots here.
second, the image is quite a low res here so it's hard to judge.
third, you're easily a much ebtter photographer

With all these limitation I have to say that I've gotten tons of similar seagull shots while on vacations in North and South Carolinas in early 2000's, with *istD and Sigma 400/5.6 (the APO Macro gem :-) ), many of them in the light dusk. Can't say now, I guess about half were in focus, but then I was *istD.

The best was actually a skipper shot in the late afternoon - did you try it? It's small and fast. Only sorting through the pictures back at home I've realized that it flyes away with a fish in the beak. :-) Silly me...
I mean, Nikon should be better for these, but Pentax can manage it too.
 
your sentiments are appreciated
mnovikov said:
Just wanted to thank the OP.

I am a proud owner of K7 with bunch of optics, I've just convinced my dad to move from Nikon to Pentax (first K20, then K-x which suits him better) and most probably I am not going to switch the brands, even though my brothers shoot with advanced Nikons. So, anyway, I am not a troll.

I am grateful that somebody with extensive hands-on experience with current Pentax, using the equipment in a (semi?)professional way and pushing it to the limit - even if just in one area - shared his thoughts and explained his decision to move over, and was kind enough to come back to his old folks and provide us with some follow-up. What's the problem? Yes, I think honest users might be interested to hear his opinion.

Gordon, please keep posting.

Maxim Novikov
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Gordon
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personally i dont find these shot u posted not possible to be taken with the k7 and a long tele.

ùthese are not difficult shot, nothing coming in towards the camera, te real difficult with the pentax.

I dont want to tell that k7 is on par with nikon for sport, if i were a pro sport shooter i will buy a nikon from the beginning.

personally i fiond these kind of post ridicolous. i know that d300 performs faster than k7, it's not that i have to read your post to realize this.
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i dont shoot motor only once i have taken some photos of fast car with k7:

i post this photo...it wascompletely dark i used a flash to fill the car cause it was so dark that i would have used iso 104000 to have some light in the car....i panned and click...



here a crop





here another.

it was pouring rain and the car raced very fast at least 100 km and i was at no more than 10 meters from them and as i repeat it was completely dark.

im not an expert of racing photos but im sure the k7 with the right tele can easily takes the photos u have showed.
flashpixx said:
If you guys were actually following the forum instead of trying to find something to pick sh#t out of you would realise that I was asked by quite a number of members here to post up some pix.

If it weren't such a ridiculous observation, I would be happy to go side by side with anyone with a K7 and a comparative 70-200 in Pentax mount and the D300 in this style of shooting. After owning and using the K7 for over 16,000 shots I can assure you I knew the D300 would cr@p all over the K7 for motorsport after the first 5 frames.

I am sorry to say that this forum is no longer the place it was when I joined back in the days of the istD and Ds. It is largely frequented by narrow minded keyboard jocks who appear to know no more about photography than what it is to walk on the moon - in other words FA!

I won't be bothering you guys here any longer. For my dear friends here that really are interested please don't hesitate to drop me an email.

Ta ta
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D300
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RogerMexico said:
I just finished looking at similar shots in PPG as well as Flickr done with Pentax gear,. In fact, some of it with K10D. How'd they manage those bikes on curve or coming straight at them?
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You'll find if you either shoot sports yourself or talk to people who do and who have used various levels of gear that the biggest difference going from low end to mid or high end gear is your percentage of keepers and your keepers in difficult conditions. After all, if the K10d was so capable, all those pro shooters would be using it wouldn't they? Would save them a lot of money.
RogerMexico said:
Had to be dumb luck. By the way, are you still shooting your Canon Mark III?
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Yes I am.
 
posting such photos and claiming the superiority of d300 is ridicolous..in daylight with pro lenses tha k7 will perform very good in every sport action,..by the way the real problem are the missing pro tele and tele zoom...those shots can be easily taken wioth any camera out there, later mnoving subject in bright daylight.
OPTMEKX7 said:
on the other Forum, there are series of shots by MRiley on MOTOGP at Summit Point, needless to say he was using a K10 w/ Bigma, a much slower AF than a K7 but the results just as good as the OP shots.

rene
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i compeltely agreee..
labnut said:
You seem to be a nice enough guy but completely lacking in common sense.
What did you expect after the last debacle??

All you had to do was post the photos in the Nikon forum (where they belong) and post a short message here with a link to your photos in the Nikon forum.

Those who are interested enough will then simply follow your link to the Nikon forum. Easy to do, after all there are no barriers.

This isn't rocket science, just simple common sense and courtesy, which is the minimum we expect from you (we already know you take great photos).
Peter
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John_A_G said:
some Pentax shooters asked to see his photos after the switch - and at least one requested he post them here.
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I seriously object to being called at least one. :)

Gordon thanks for risking the flak and taking the time to post.

Looks like your camera is delivering the goods, if this is what it can do from day one.

As you get accustomed to its idiosyncrasies things can only get better.

Keep us informed on your growth

Andy

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Mike - do you really think the shot of a plane on a runway is in the same league as a bike in a turn on the raceway? It's not. Go to a race track and take some shots - put together a gallery of say 50 pics and see how they stack up against Gordon's or any competant shooter using a good kit.

That's the big difference - a sports shooter can't take 100 pics to get 1 - they need to take 100 pics to get 40
 
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