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tom said:
AlphaDSLR said:
tom55604 said:
IIRC Minolta was the first to enter the dSLR market - check out the RD-175, circa 1995.

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Rich
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Interesting camera, and only $10,000. Wonder why it did not succeed?
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The alternatives were more expensive. What killed the Minolta DSLR effort was their second generation DSLR, which was Vectis mount based and not compatible with their 35mm lenses. If they had made it a-mount, they probably would have done much better. But going to vectis mount meant that people with extensive a-mount lens collections had no reason to select Minolta DSLR over any other brand. And it generated a lot of resentment among Minolta users who felt twice betrayed by the lens mount changes.

tom
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Being invested in the Maxxum system, I eagerly awaited a digital body. But, when Minolta introduced one, it was still too expensive especially when compared to the Canon digitals on the market. I stuck with film SLR and digital P&S until Sony came to the rescue with some reasonably priced DSLRs. Despite the detractors, I am quite happy with the Sony implementation.
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Guido FORRIER said:
As for my A900 : the longer Sony waits producing new high end lenses the less useful they will be : mirorless is the future , also for FF or even large format ( life view !) .

The evil in my panna G1 is already good and only LCD is not for me . The tilt and flip lcd however is also a must for me .
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I think Sony's got a dilemma with high end lenses. First, by nature they're bigger, heavier and more expensive. Not a good fit for Nex, so they've got to be for the bigger bodies. So how will Sony tell people that purchased high-end glass in the recent past that they're of limited use on the newer (yet to be announced) hybrid bodies?

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So i can stock up on it just like I did when people panicked about Minolta.

35mm high end glass has worked great and will continue to outperform any of the small format lenses. There is no substitution to big glass.

So if the value of $3000 lens drops $300-400 in the future, is that a reason to sell it now? Of course not, that would be stupid.

35mm format is not going away any time soon and glass remains to be an excellent investment. Unlike the NEX bodies or specialized lenses, which will be obsolete in 2 years and will sell for 1/4 of the original price if you are lucky ( a little longer for lenses, but non the less).
 
AlphaDSLR said:
AlphaDSLR said:
IIRC Minolta was the first to enter the dSLR market - check out the RD-175, circa 1995.

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Interesting camera, and only $10,000. Wonder why it did not succeed?
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Actual price in the first year was $4500 which is what I paid for our personal RD-175, which we used for ten years until the 7D came out. In those days even P&S digitals were over $1000. The highest price I saw for the RD-175 in the store ready for sale was $7500. Through a research grant we got the first one sold in Atlanta at a little below that. The $10,000 was more or less a proposed list price but I don't think any were sold at that. Kodak's DSLR at the time was twice that. The RD-175 was the cheap DSLR.

At the time the RD-175 sold relatively well. Though obviously the price was limiting. The RD-175 was replaced by the RD-3000, which was a vectis mount camera and definitely did not do well in sales.

Walt
 
vaughanB said:
Henry Richardson said:
I have seen many of your very nice photos with the NEX and A330(?), but all that I have seen are just static scenes and usually in good, but not very bright or dim, light. It would be interesting to see some of your photos of other things, action, etc. The NEX has some very nice points, but I am still having a bit of a hard time seeing sports, bird, people in action, and many other kinds of photographers jumping on them. If you would show us some of your photos along those lines with the NEX then it would be easier for me to visualize though.
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There are good reasons why the NEX is not attracting many more experienced DSLR users away from the DSLR. Sony has made it very clear that experienced DSLR shooters should expect to find what they need in Sony DSLRs. Of course that's yet to be seen, but Sony has definitely not left DSLR. If people's expectations are met the a7xx when it comes out will produce IQ and shooting types that the small camera will have no chance of meeting. Even if it's disappointing to a700 users in the end it almost certainly will be good enough for that.
Kodakrevisited said:
Henry, these type of phoography is currently far better served by conventional DSLRs like the A700, A500/550 etc with big lenses, but that is all about to change as smaller lighter cheaper mirrorless alternatives enter the market, the NEX gives us glimpse of what is possible, you dont need massive lenses, E-mount lenses will be smaller, cheaper, lighter

Compare the Nex 16mm pancake to a minolta 17-35, its a fraction of the weight and size and does the same job, perspective WILL be corrected in camera and so perfect optics will not be so critical, over the next 12 months you will see this all gather momentum until what I am saying will be obvious....by then, it will be too late to recover your investment, so I would sell now UNLESS you can afford to loose money and just want to enjoy your great gear
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I would suggest not taking the advice of this beginner who clearly does not understand camera design or optics in depth enough for what he is talking about. Nor is paying attention to the full field of photography. That he has a good eye for what amounts to travel snapshots does not make him a expert. I too want to see him expand his photography.

Walt
 
WaltKnapp said:
I would suggest not taking the advice of this beginner who clearly does not understand camera design or optics in depth enough for what he is talking about. Nor is paying attention to the full field of photography. That he has a good eye for what amounts to travel snapshots does not make him a expert. I too want to see him expand his photography.
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Yes, I know. :-)

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IKB said:
Mirrorless interchangeable lens cameras like the NEX simply fill in a gap in the market, they are not a replacement for the groups on either side. There is some overlap but you can't fit an NEX with lens into your pocket...
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Sure you can! I can at least. It is a bit conspicuous, though.
 
WaltKnapp said:
I would suggest not taking the advice of this beginner who clearly does not understand camera design or optics in depth enough for what he is talking about. Nor is paying attention to the full field of photography. That he has a good eye for what amounts to travel snapshots does not make him a expert. I too want to see him expand his photography.

Walt
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I agree, the OP's post betrays a fundamental lack of understanding and ignorance of photography beyond snaps that could have been taken on my camera phone. I have no idea why he continues to post in this way. He did it with the a230 i seem to think. The difference between a photograph and snap shot escapes him.
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My bad. I can't take the content of this thread seriously. I'm still waiting for film to die. ;-)
jimb100 said:
Nex, the iphone of imaging, the Prius of photography, the 3d of digital photography, the .... well, you get the idea.

And while the mirror based camera is surely doomed by technology, its successor will be a marriage of still and video where each individual frame is capable of being a high resolution still image.

That's what's inevitable.
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logic and proportion have fallen sloppy dead
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dougas said:
WaltKnapp said:
I would suggest not taking the advice of this beginner who clearly does not understand camera design or optics in depth enough for what he is talking about. Nor is paying attention to the full field of photography. That he has a good eye for what amounts to travel snapshots does not make him a expert. I too want to see him expand his photography.

Walt
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I agree, the OP's post betrays a fundamental lack of understanding and ignorance of photography beyond snaps that could have been taken on my camera phone. I have no idea why he continues to post in this way. He did it with the a230 i seem to think. The difference between a photograph and snap shot escapes him.
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Vaughan, does take some nicely composed images, but does get on his high horse about how good the A-230 and A-300 was, he’s gone through a lot of DSLR cameras in his time , but I believe he is strictly P&S man, shooting JPEGS and then post processing in Picasa!

I have looked at some of his NEX3 images on flicker and yes they are very nicely composed but do look over processed and sharpened in this case.

When you look at the full sized image, in the sense of pixel peeping, they start to fall down?
 
tom said:
... the fashion conscious will appreciate the sleek look of the camera in the retracted position since it won't have that unsightly lens lump (unless Sony releases a new series of NEX pants with strategically placed pockets).
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Yeah, I can hear the conversations already ...

Girl: "Is that a NEX in your pocket, or are you just happy to see me?"

Guy: "Neither. I've got a Canon in my pants, and my lens is fully extended!"

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WaltKnapp said:
I would suggest not taking the advice of this beginner who clearly does not understand camera design or optics in depth enough for what he is talking about. Nor is paying attention to the full field of photography. That he has a good eye for what amounts to travel snapshots does not make him a expert. I too want to see him expand his photography.

Walt
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Couldn't agree with you more Walt. VBB keeps posting like this and it only shows his lack of experience/knowledge of photography. His snaps are of the same subjects with every camera he has ever used and they all look the same. Cheap and auto is his MO.....
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Rich

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my oldest digital Nikon (D1X )is still in good working order my oldest lenses are still in good working order .........why should i sell them.

even new form of camera's are added i never will replace my older ones till they fall in pieces.

( even my old F4 F5 F6 still work greatly ).

imo same will count for people with good Minolta glass.
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DSLRs would die a slow painful death (like film cameras) when contrast detect AF can compete against phase detect AF for continous shooting (birds, sports, etc). That time is not here yet, but will be someday in future. When that happens, DSLRs are dead. They don't have any other advantage (but a lot of negatives: size, moving clunky parts, mirror slap blur).

IQ used to be DSLR advantage due to larger sensor but that has gone now with compacts with the same size sensor. (the new LX5 is rumored to have 4/3 size sensor). Interchangeable lenses was the other advantage but that has gone too.

What's left? Faster AF for sports/BIF. That's it. Once that is knocked down, you can say good bye to the clunky DSLR.
 
zepzr said:
DSLRs would die a slow painful death (like film cameras) when contrast detect AF can compete against phase detect AF for continous shooting (birds, sports, etc). That time is not here yet, but will be someday in future. When that happens, DSLRs are dead. They don't have any other advantage (but a lot of negatives: size, moving clunky parts, mirror slap blur).

IQ used to be DSLR advantage due to larger sensor but that has gone now with compacts with the same size sensor. (the new LX5 is rumored to have 4/3 size sensor). Interchangeable lenses was the other advantage but that has gone too.

What's left? Faster AF for sports/BIF. That's it. Once that is knocked down, you can say good bye to the clunky DSLR.
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Thankyou...its obvious really :-)

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Canon, Nikon and others have known for a long time that the DSLR is on borrowed time, mirrorless cams could have been made available a while back, but Canon and Nikon have given the DSLR market one last boost before it dies by reducing the cost of DSLR bodies to below the price of a good P&S, if DSLRs were not so cheap, only enthusiasts would buy them, but now they are under £300 with a kit lens, they are still selling, but thats all about to come to an end because the mass market consumer would much rather have a mirrorless NEX type camera....sheeesh its so obvious, lets just revisit this in 18 months, I still really like my A330, but they are virtually giving those away now (£329.00) and thats all people will pay now, the DSLR is on its last legs, as sure as eggs is eggs
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My growing NEX3/16mm collection
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