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bloomoose said:
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Hope it works.
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Yes, it did!

For what you are trying to do, you should (IMO) have "overexposed" that image by one full stop. Then you can pull down the high tones. Now the image is perfectly exposed for direct use, I would say, and I think it's a nice shot as is; but one stop more exposure of the shadows would have helped with noise.

For resolution, you can't expect more than this. Look at the guardrail on top of the roof to the right. If your 6Mp S5 can do that, I'll eat a bug. :-) if you crank up the sharpness with a very small radius, as you seem to have done, you will get lots of fine detail but noise will also be higher (especially when not exposed "for output" as of above). Nothing to do to get around this I'm afraid...
 
Nothing wrong with this at all, you just have to mess around with a few different ways to process the file.

If you can make out the eyes and mouth of the two ladies sitting with the man at the table that is good resolution for this lighting and the way you exposed it.

Try to do the opposite and actually bring down the shadows or whole image all together.
 
Unlucky Adobe still doesn't has published an ACR beta that could open NEX files (like the version used by DPR) so I converted your file with dcRaw 9.03 to a plain 16 bit tiff that I have developed in LR3:



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I do not have this camera but it happens that at a higher ISO value noise blotches are smaller while dynamic range is not affected that much. Second, I think the image is underexposed. It is hardly realistic to keep details in lamps. The main area of interest in the shot starts at -1.3 EV. Third, I plug the noisy shadows. Strong sharpening of noise (very small radius like 0.3 to 0.4) helps make it like pepper grain which I prefer to having it as clusters.

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Hi Iliah,

nice to have you chime in.

I retook the available light image, same street, and did expose right. I somewhere read that the NEX tends to overexpose which I couldn´t verify. It´s a firmware bug that histograms are not shown when you apply exposure compensation. So I did just that. See this thread:
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1037&message=35767225

Well, let me know if you will get the camera ;) It´s a compact camera experience with lots of menu scrolling. To me having such a small package is important when I travel and such. It will be essential for Sony to release excellent e-mount primes to make this system work.

Pam
Iliah Borg said:
I do not have this camera but it happens that at a higher ISO value noise blotches are smaller while dynamic range is not affected that much. Second, I think the image is underexposed. It is hardly realistic to keep details in lamps. The main area of interest in the shot starts at -1.3 EV. Third, I plug the noisy shadows. Strong sharpening of noise (very small radius like 0.3 to 0.4) helps make it like pepper grain which I prefer to having it as clusters.

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Pam
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bloomoose said:
I retook the available light image, same street, and did expose right.
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Looking at the new image you linked I think I would add 2/3 stops more. One interesting thing to check is same shutter speed and aperture but different ISO settings. Does the camera allow automatic ISO bracketing, or one needs to do it manually?
bloomoose said:
Well, let me know if you will get the camera ;) It´s a compact camera experience with lots of menu scrolling. To me having such a small package is important when I travel and such. It will be essential for Sony to release excellent e-mount primes to make this system work.
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For now I think I will stay with my Olympus E-P2 as I have nice primes for it.

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You can also always do a low volume HDR and you keep the middle exposure with it but it will be JPEG only. The NEX cameras test with more dynamic range than some full frame cameras but this is a very difficult scene.
 
they look like a $99 point and shoot camera

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Iliah Borg said:
Iliah Borg said:
I retook the available light image, same street, and did expose right.
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Looking at the new image you linked I think I would add 2/3 stops more. One interesting thing to check is same shutter speed and aperture but different ISO settings. Does the camera allow automatic ISO bracketing, or one needs to do it manually?
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Oh, I checked Exifs in PS and both images were taken at ISO 200, f8, about the same time (9.45 pm), the first at 0.5 sec, the other at 1.6 sec. You may be right and I should dial in some more exposure compensation or expose manually after all.

I don´t think auto-ISO bracketing is possible, even regular auto-ISO can´t be modfied. But I´m not familiar with all of the functions. I choose to fix it at ISO 200 if I don´t do candids.
Iliah Borg said:
Iliah Borg said:
Well, let me know if you will get the camera ;) It´s a compact camera experience with lots of menu scrolling. To me having such a small package is important when I travel and such. It will be essential for Sony to release excellent e-mount primes to make this system work.
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For now I think I will stay with my Olympus E-P2 as I have nice primes for it.
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Good choice! I was looking long and hard at the E-P2 and GF-1, but the APS-C sensor was most important to me. Now getting an alpha-adaptor might be a good option, but I´d prefer small and decent e-mount primes ... if Sony won´t provide them, the system will be a failure.
Iliah Borg said:
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Greetings from Germany,
Pam
http://www.model-kartei.de/sedcard/fotograf/184280/
 
I think it´s best to follow Iliah´s advice and be careful not to underexpose at all with this camera. If Adobe Lightroom will support its RAW files I´ll check the noise reduction, but for the type of photography I will do on a tripod, I will bracket and then apply some contrast.
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Greetings from Germany,
Pam
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much like aariff, regardless of what you shoot. I dont like the camera.

By no means was my comment meant as a negative statement against you as a photographer.

All of my pictures always come out crappy!

Thanks

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Don't let it aggravate you - it is actually his response to the camera not you or your shots.

Human nature is funny at times.

Seems you will be an expert with this camera soon and have in mind using it as it was meant.

Surely your wish for high end E mount lenses will come, as it appears this camera model will be wildly successful, but it might be a while before that can be ramped up.

This is the exact camera it seems that Sony has been searching for to vault them forward in there competition with Canikon.
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