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Will DX Format be squeezed out???

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When and only if the cost difference in the different size sensors becomes a non issue.
Joe Sherwood said:
Like say in 4-5 years? If more and more Bodies are FX will the Mfgr's follow suit and quit producing DX Lenses???
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pavi1 said:
When and only if the cost difference in the different size sensors becomes a non issue.
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Even that might not kill off smaller formats - not that it's going to happen anyway.

The move to integrate movie capability with DSLR and EVIL type cameras, and with a need to achieve better focus-performance from contrast-detect systems with new, quieter, smaller, faster moving elements in the lens design also favours smaller formats.
 
I doubt it, not everyone needs/wants a big SLR. It's like asking if DC will ever disappear.
 
I think yes, if the D400 was FX with DX crop would you turn it down? DX will be squeezed between micro 4/3rds which will get better, and the demand for better quality FX, or even larger IMHO. John
 
Hmmm. You could just as easily ask the question in reverse. If DX continues to improve it's noise and DR, will FX eventually get squeezed into the realm where Medium Format is today for only super high res shooters who aren't price sensitive or who really need super wide angle?

Neither of those FX positions are the center of the dSLR volume market, so I'm betting that DX stays much closer to that center for a very long time. DX might eventually feel some pressure from below from the 4/3 line, but if that happens it probably happens after FX feels more heat from DX than the other way around.
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Cytokine said:
I think yes, if the D400 was FX with DX crop would you turn it down? DX will be squeezed between micro 4/3rds which will get better, and the demand for better quality FX, or even larger IMHO. John
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IMO, crop-mode is never a replacement for serious shooters. You get a tiny little 1/2 size viewfinder and can not see your subject very well and may have focus sensors not designed for you. I shoot DX because I need reach/pixel density for sports and wildlife and cannot imagine shooting either in any crop-mode. It would be a giant step backwards from my D300.

So, to answer your question, if D400 was FX with crop mode, I'd turn it down.

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Dx and M4/3 Differences? They are small and getting smaller. For now.

You perhaps mean differences mirror and mirrorless system. That the crucial difference.

And although aps v m4t is not much of difference (Pany/Oly do a great job not to be so), the true aps is still little different crop factor, and has better potential (DR) if the maker uses it well.

It’s really a question of short time n Nikon/Canon/everybody probably - will join the m4t market. O, I wanted to say mirrorless one. Canon has got it a bit smaller anyway, but others, I suspect will set aps to the battle (Sony, Ricoh done).

Anyway, good point above, aps is a strong proposition. I wouldn’t doubt.

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The sensor is bigger on FS. So you will get less chips from the same wafer. That fact will never change and in the end will mean the DX will always be cheaper to make.
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We will have to see what the iso sensitivity and noise profile is on the next generation also. Why go FX if DX closes the gap? Of course if DX makes great advancements, so will FX so this argument is just as likely to end as Canon vs Nikon vs ...
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seahawk said:
The sensor is bigger on FS. So you will get less chips from the same wafer. That fact will never change and in the end will mean the DX will always be cheaper to make.
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That's only if sensors continue to be made on silicon wafers, which may not be the case in future.
 
Joe Sherwood said:
Like say in 4-5 years? If more and more Bodies are FX will the Mfgr's follow suit and quit producing DX Lenses???
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The cost and weight of FF will always provide constraints, and crop format lenses are here to stay for the foreseeable future. Even if FF takes a much larger market share than today, crop units will still dominate - because of economics.

On the other hand, FF will not go away either, as any crop (here DX) sensor improvement can be had at 2.25x the MPs on FF. And crop sensors are already at the diffraction limits, both for landscape and some kinds of tele use. The same goes for larger formats, they may rather get more than less use over time.

The competition from smaller formats will surely threaten crop DSLRs' dominating position, but it will be much the same relationship as with crop/FF thing: Users turn to the larger formats for quality. And for video, crop may turn out to be "the" thing for most applications. Balancing the different needs in a nice way. 50% more is a LOT when it comes to tele lenses.. Therefore, tele lenses with high central resolution combined with relatively pixel-dense crop sensors will still have an important place in many areas.
 
There is nothing magic about FF format, it just happens to have been around longer than before most of you were born. Simply based on an ancient 35mm film format. Which has since disappeared.

In 10 years it will go the way of the 4x5 Speed Graphic, the old pre 35mm format standard.

What will replace it will be smaller for the same reasons the 4x5 format was replaced by 35mm.

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This question has popped up every few weeks, and my answer has been, not in the forseeable future, certainly not in 4-5 years.

Regardless of difference in actual cost to build, I think DX will exist if only for marketing reasons, it will serve as entry level so they can charge more for FX.

I think DX even at the current state of the art is enough for the vast majority of consumers and will only get better.
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It may get squeezed out and it may not - personally I don't really worry about it. I have a great camera with great lenses and they take great pictures when I dont mess it up. In 10 years I fully expect this camera will still take pictures that are just as good and hopefully I will have improved. - If they still make DX or do not will not have any affect on this.

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The most expensive single component of the camera is the sensor. Greater efficiencies in producing FX sized sensors will also apply to DX sensors so the cost of DX will continue t be substantially less thus allowing a market for both formats.

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Joe Sherwood said:
Like say in 4-5 years? If more and more Bodies are FX will the Mfgr's follow suit and quit producing DX Lenses???
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no way, not everyone want big lens and big camera, and full frame camera cost more no matter how many years.

nikon told me that they are preparing a camera like sony's nex5, which has no mirror, everything will be liveview primary and they will support all the DX lens, haha the above was just my dream.
 
The production cost of FF and DX sensors will get closer sure, but the more important question is lenses.

M most beloved lens is the Sigma 50-150 2,8. If I go FX to replace that I need a 70-200 2,8 which would cost a lot more and weigh 2x more.

And that is a big difference!!!

Lenses will keep DX format alive!!!

jano
 
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