EXR vs. BSI

PAUL TILL · Jun 30, 2010

Here we have two pictures, both taken on a tri-pod at ISO100 with the image stabilisation off.

One picture is taken with a camera with an EXR sensor the other is taken with a camera with Sony's BSI sensor. I have made the same adjustments to both images except the BSI image has been downsized to match the EXR's smaller resolution.

Can you guess which cameras where used?

Which picture do you prefer and why?

Paul.

megthebest · Jun 30, 2010

first one is from exr i think.
the dynamic range is higher in the dark zones.
the second seems to be more sharpen..but is difficult to compare

Danielepaolo · Jun 30, 2010

They're both ordinary but if I took one it is probably the second one. The first is a mess, Sony smearing for sure.

PAUL TILL · Jun 30, 2010

megthebest said:
first one is from exr i think.
the dynamic range is higher in the dark zones.
the second seems to be more sharpen..but is difficult to compare

You have not answered either question.

Paul.

nictita · Jun 30, 2010

I am not experienced in EXR. So I can only refer to the second question.

The first one shows more details in the dark areas, the second one is sharper. I would prefer the second one and try to brighten up the dark shadows.

Regards Nic

wymjym · Jun 30, 2010

I preferred the number 2 shot.

Don’t know if its exr or bsi, I’ve seen so many PP adjustments done to images that at times I can’t trust my eyes.
I did study both at 300% and………….

the #1 shot has less actual detail, has a bit more smoothing of that detail, has less saturated colors and has what appears to me to be less than accurate coloring.
Reminds me of shooting my S100fs at 3mp.
wj

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PAUL TILL · Jun 30, 2010

Danielepaolo said:
They're both ordinary but if I took one it is probably the second one. The first is a mess, Sony smearing for sure.

I know they are ordinary but I wanted some foliage in the shot.

I’ve been at work today and just popped out this evening to get a couple of pictures for comparison.

Are you not going to have a go at the questions either?

Paul.

Sunshine_boy · Jun 30, 2010

Sorry, cannot tell. No humans in the pics.

If there was at least one, I could then tell if he had his backside illuminated!...
LOL

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PAUL TILL · Jun 30, 2010

nictita said:
I am not experienced in EXR. So I can only refer to the second question.

The first one shows more details in the dark areas, the second one is sharper. I would prefer the second one and try to brighten up the dark shadows.

Regards Nic

Thanks Nic, what Fuji do you shoot with then?

Paul.

PAUL TILL · Jun 30, 2010

wymjym said:
I preferred the number 2 shot.

Don’t know if its exr or bsi, I’ve seen so many PP adjustments done to images that at times I can’t trust my eyes.
I did study both at 300% and………….

the #1 shot has less actual detail, has a bit more smoothing of that detail, has less saturated colors and has what appears to me to be less than accurate coloring.
Reminds me of shooting my S100fs at 3mp.
wj

Another vote for No.2... Care to take a stab at what cameras I used?

Paul.

PAUL TILL · Jun 30, 2010

Sunshine_boy said:
Sorry, cannot tell. No humans in the pics.

If there was at least one, I could then tell if he had his backside illuminated!...
LOL
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LOL, Nice one.

You don't want to play then?

Paul.

Danielepaolo · Jun 30, 2010

I did answer, the first is the Sony sensor = BSI because of the smearing. I prefer the second shot.

PAUL TILL · Jun 30, 2010

Danielepaolo said:
I did answer, the first is the Sony sensor = BSI

The questions where:

1. Can you guess which cameras where used?

2. Which picture do you prefer and why?

So which of those two is your answer too then?

Paul.
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Oh you sneaked in an edit while I was typing.

OK you have answered one what about the other.

Barry Fitzgerald · Jun 30, 2010

Not sure we're looking at the sensor performance here. Unless we work from raw we are just looking at the jpeg engine at work!

I've used cameras with both and my gut feeling is that both are good sensors and there probably isn't a lot in it..I've seen raw from that BSI on a Ricoh camera and it's pretty impressive at high ISO.

EXR is champ for DR though I do think that.

I prefer the second image if that means anything

Danielepaolo · Jun 30, 2010

PAUL TILL said:
Danielepaolo said:

I did answer, the first is the Sony sensor = BSI

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The questions where:

(the questions were

Wouldn't expect a pom to make this mistake twice but back to the post

PAUL TILL said:
1. Can you guess which cameras where used?

The first one is the Sony sensor because of the smearing.

PAUL TILL said:
PAUL TILL said:

PAUL TILL said:

The first is a mess, Sony smearing for sure.

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PAUL TILL said:
2. Which picture do you prefer and why?

I prefer the second one

PAUL TILL said:
PAUL TILL said:

PAUL TILL said:

if I took one it is probably the second one

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PAUL TILL said:
So which of those two is your answer too then?

In my original post I was probably too cryptic so I have inserted translation from what I said in my first post above with each of the questions (in orange) and the answer above (in black)

My original post:

PAUL TILL said:
PAUL TILL said:

PAUL TILL said:

They're both ordinary but if I took one it is probably the second one. The first is a mess, Sony smearing for sure.

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That did take a while to get out. I am having breakfast so forgive me, my mother told me never to type with my mouth full.

nictita · Jun 30, 2010

PAUL TILL said:
Thanks Nic, what Fuji do you shoot with then?

s6000 and HS10.

Sunshine_boy · Jun 30, 2010

PAUL TILL said:
Sunshine_boy said:

Sorry, cannot tell. No humans in the pics.

If there was at least one, I could then tell if he had his backside illuminated!...
LOL
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Best Regards
Sunshine

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LOL, Nice one. You don't want to play then?

I think the first one is the EXR. Less contrast
The second appears too 'processed' and mushy. Reminds me of something!...

As I do not own an EXR cam nor (thank God) the backside illuminator, I cannot really compete. I only guess that the 1st one is from your newly acquired £90 F70 you mentioned the other day (good price btw)

'Good-game, good-game' as Foresythe would say to busty Anthea years ago!...

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PAUL TILL · Jun 30, 2010

Barry Fitzgerald said:
Not sure we're looking at the sensor performance here. Unless we work from raw we are just looking at the jpeg engine at work!

Fair enough but the Fuji does not have RAW.

Member said:
I've used cameras with both and my gut feeling is that both are good sensors and there probably isn't a lot in it..I've seen raw from that BSI on a Ricoh camera and it's pretty impressive at high ISO.

I have not shot this one in RAW yet so I would not know.

Member said:
EXR is champ for DR though I do think that.

I have to agree with you there Barry.

Member said:
I prefer the second image if that means anything

It's only for fun but that’s 3 for the second image now.

Paul.

PAUL TILL · Jun 30, 2010

Danielepaolo said:
PAUL TILL said:

Danielepaolo said:

I did answer, the first is the Sony sensor = BSI

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The questions where:

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(the questions were Wouldn't expect a pom to make this mistake twice but back to the post

Danielepaolo said:

1. Can you guess which cameras where used?

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The first one is the Sony sensor because of the smearing.

Danielepaolo said:

Danielepaolo said:

Danielepaolo said:

The first is a mess, Sony smearing for sure.

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Danielepaolo said:

2. Which picture do you prefer and why?

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I prefer the second one

Danielepaolo said:

Danielepaolo said:

Danielepaolo said:

if I took one it is probably the second one

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Danielepaolo said:

So which of those two is your answer too then?

Click to expand...

In my original post I was probably too cryptic so I have inserted translation from what I said in my first post above with each of the questions (in orange) and the answer above (in black)

My original post:

Danielepaolo said:

Danielepaolo said:

Danielepaolo said:

They're both ordinary but if I took one it is probably the second one. The first is a mess, Sony smearing for sure.

Click to expand...

Click to expand...

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That did take a while to get out. I am having breakfast so forgive me, my mother told me never to type with my mouth full.

Sorry about the where instead of were. I asked can you guess which CAMERAS where used, NOT which sensor. :0

Paul.

Sunshine_boy · Jun 30, 2010

Danielepaolo said:
...I am having breakfast so forgive me, my mother told me never to type with my mouth full.

LOL LOL

Never heard that before!...
Superb in this day and age!...
Good on you Daniel (and your Mum)!...

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