What to do on vacation for storage

You mentioned "copy to PHD" .... does that mean you have a
notebook? If not, how do you connect PHD to the camera?
Hi B,

With all the PHDs you take your memory card/micro drive out of the camera and insert in a slot in the PHD. Push button(s) and the contents of the card/drive are copied to the PHD's hard drive for storage.

I think all the PHDs accept CF cards/drives. If you use something else in your camera you may need an adapter. The Image Bank takes CF and SM cards, but would require an adapter to use Sony "sticks", for example.

Down the road we will probably see PHDs that either tether directly to the camera (firewire/USB 2.0?) or use wireless (Bluetooth?) transfer. Right now you've got to physically move the card.

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bob
http://www.pbase.com/bobtrips
New Gallery - Nat (Spirit) Festival in Myanmar
pictures from Thailand, Myanmar(Burma), and Nepal
 
Hi Jim,

Why not give it a test?

I took a cheap thin plastic bag - produce bag from the grocery - the type you tear off the roll to put your grapes in.....

Stuck my altimeter in and tied a knot in the end of the bag.

Pressed down a "climbed down 1,000 feet" before the bag popped.

Just get a better bag (try a Ziplock freezer bag) and see if you can increase the air pressure enough to make a difference.

If sitting on a bag for a few minutes lets you use a PHD at 12,000 or higher I suspect you would look around and find someplace to take a break and clean your card.

Think about it. Nice comfortable seat while you eat your lunch and enjoy the view ;o)
Might be good for me as I often work near 10000 feet, the spec
limit for these drives to function without errors.
Altitude. Do a forum search on "river bag altimeter".
Yes, I've done that awhile back The bag is an interesting idea but
I wonder how pressing my knee down on the bag to increase air
pressure would work in practice while balancing the unit on a rock
on a narrow trail for 4-8 minutes. Nice if a tiny bicycle pump
could attach...

If I do my math correctly, 5000ft elevation, which I never go
below- the air pressure is 86% of sea level. At 10000 ft, the
drives spec limit, air pressure is about 71% sealevel. The highest
I would ever go, 12000 ft is only 66% of sea level.

I'd have to press hard enough and consistantly enough to raise that
66% to 86% up towards sea level 100%. I'd have to compress the
volume of the bag up to 1/3rd. if I understand the physics right. I
might be able to do this, I just have never tried it.

So any thoughts on folks who have real world use of the bag
appreciated.

Electronics
have gotten VERY reliable in recent years and the chance of
failure is vrey slim. In most cases if the unit doesn't fail in
its first 30 days it probably will not fail.
Yes, but I have the added variable that probably at least 95% of
people using these things do not have- high altitudes approaching
and even exceeding manufscter's spec limit for drive altitude
(Operational). If I didn't live in the Rockies but say near a
seaboard it wouldn't be an issue at all. I can't use microdrives
for example since they are rated for only 9000 feet. And I need
enough CF cards to see me through any part of the trail I'm on
above 10000 feet since I can't turn the PHD on...unless the bag
trick is practical.

I have heard of sucessful use of these things in Peru with bags but
I'd like to learn more.

Thank you for your resonses, they are most helpful.
Jim H.
--
bob
http://www.pbase.com/bobtrips
New Gallery - Nat (Spirit) Festival in Myanmar
pictures from Thailand, Myanmar(Burma), and Nepal
 
Hi Jim,

Why not give it a test?

I took a cheap thin plastic bag - produce bag from the grocery -
the type you tear off the roll to put your grapes in.....

Stuck my altimeter in and tied a knot in the end of the bag.

Pressed down a "climbed down 1,000 feet" before the bag popped.

Just get a better bag (try a Ziplock freezer bag) and see if you
can increase the air pressure enough to make a difference.

If sitting on a bag for a few minutes lets you use a PHD at 12,000
or higher I suspect you would look around and find someplace to
take a break and clean your card.

Think about it. Nice comfortable seat while you eat your lunch and
enjoy the view ;o)
Bob this does make sense, doing an experiment. Only expensive thing is I'd have to finally buy that Swiss-Army knife altimeter yuppie toy. Yes even though I live in Colorado, I don't own an altimeter. We just rely on maps and signs. And heavy breathing...
Gives me an excuse though...

It does sort of freeze me to one spot for awhile, which can be a problem if I'm on a narrow trail with tourists. Come to think of it, I would look pretty weird sitting on a river bag to them too. If there's a shot I need to get that sudenly appears (like a quick moving Marmot) I'm stuck too.

I guess the critical question I really need to know is: just how long does a CF card 512mb full take to download on ALL of the different devices out there? I have heard conflicting times on this site and from manufacter's/salespeople.
Thanks,
Jim H.
Might be good for me as I often work near 10000 feet, the spec
limit for these drives to function without errors.
Altitude. Do a forum search on "river bag altimeter".
Yes, I've done that awhile back The bag is an interesting idea but
I wonder how pressing my knee down on the bag to increase air
pressure would work in practice while balancing the unit on a rock
on a narrow trail for 4-8 minutes. Nice if a tiny bicycle pump
could attach...

If I do my math correctly, 5000ft elevation, which I never go
below- the air pressure is 86% of sea level. At 10000 ft, the
drives spec limit, air pressure is about 71% sealevel. The highest
I would ever go, 12000 ft is only 66% of sea level.

I'd have to press hard enough and consistantly enough to raise that
66% to 86% up towards sea level 100%. I'd have to compress the
volume of the bag up to 1/3rd. if I understand the physics right. I
might be able to do this, I just have never tried it.

So any thoughts on folks who have real world use of the bag
appreciated.

Electronics
have gotten VERY reliable in recent years and the chance of
failure is vrey slim. In most cases if the unit doesn't fail in
its first 30 days it probably will not fail.
Yes, but I have the added variable that probably at least 95% of
people using these things do not have- high altitudes approaching
and even exceeding manufscter's spec limit for drive altitude
(Operational). If I didn't live in the Rockies but say near a
seaboard it wouldn't be an issue at all. I can't use microdrives
for example since they are rated for only 9000 feet. And I need
enough CF cards to see me through any part of the trail I'm on
above 10000 feet since I can't turn the PHD on...unless the bag
trick is practical.

I have heard of sucessful use of these things in Peru with bags but
I'd like to learn more.

Thank you for your resonses, they are most helpful.
Jim H.
--
bob
http://www.pbase.com/bobtrips
New Gallery - Nat (Spirit) Festival in Myanmar
pictures from Thailand, Myanmar(Burma), and Nepal
 
This might sound like a silly suggestion. If you are travelling through Singapore or Malaysia (and perhaps Thailand & Philippines), there are shops which can transfer your pictures to a CD.
 
Hi Robert,

like most of the audiience I can only agree: You will shoot more with digital and your estimate with 50/day is likely to be much too conservative. So no way out of the Portable Hard-Disk like Image Tank, X-Drive, Digital Data Player (DDP) or Archos. I know I need to buy such a device as well. On my last trip (the first with digital) I still had my notebook with me when traveling in Europe by car. Question to me is just, which one to buy.

Apart from storing my pics, I am also interested in showing them on a TV-screen (not during traveling but for showing them to friends). The Archos Jukebox, the DDP (Printamax) and the V-Mp3h digital data player are offering that option. What about the quality of the video-output? Anybody can comment on that? Any experience with the ARCHOS Jukebox in comparison to the other devices. I read that the video image quality of the V-Mp3h is not really exciting ("Not close to VCR-quality").

Regards
Hartmut
I was just doing some calculations on how much storage I would need
and it made me wonder what the best strategy would be, considering
I am just switching to digital from film.

I am going on a 15 day trip to Southeast Asia. Real power should
not be a problem at hotels.

I normally have taken about 40 film pictures per day. I figure I
will actually take more with digital, so I am figuring 50 at least
per day. The pictures will be on a Cannon D60, so it is 8mb raw per
picture. That is about 400 mb/day.

I am concerned about weight of all equipment, so laptops are out of
the question. I really don't want to go the microdrive route, but
may have to.

If I do the math, I have about 6gb. Does this mean I must carry a
wallet type storage device with me? I don't think I want to buy 6
microdrives or a gross of 512mb CF cards.

What would you suggest? Thanks in advance.
 
I appreciate the thought. However, most of my travels are either only 1 day or so in a city or in more remote areas where the facilities would not be found. I will look for such places on my next trip.
This might sound like a silly suggestion. If you are travelling
through Singapore or Malaysia (and perhaps Thailand & Philippines),
there are shops which can transfer your pictures to a CD.
 
This might sound like a silly suggestion. If you are travelling
through Singapore or Malaysia (and perhaps Thailand & Philippines),
there are shops which can transfer your pictures to a CD.
Not at all silly.

I found a place that would burn CDs in Yangon (Rangon), Myanmar (Burma). I'm hearing about shops in many cities throughout the world. The best prices seem to be at internet shops as opposed to camera stores.

For those of us who travel a lot out of cities frequent burning isn't the answer. But it is a good idea to drop by a burner every few weeks and burn a backup set or two of CDs and mail a set home.

--
bob
http://www.pbase.com/bobtrips
New Gallery - Nat (Spirit) Festival in Myanmar
pictures from Thailand, Myanmar(Burma), and Nepal
 
Apart from storing my pics, I am also interested in showing them on
a TV-screen (not during traveling but for showing them to friends).
The Archos Jukebox, the DDP (Printamax) and the V-Mp3h digital data
player are offering that option.
I'm using the Archos; can't compare to other devices. One negative aspect is that the size of the photos on the LCD display (and hence the TV screen, as it is the same image) depends strongly on the original format.

2 Megapixel photo's are displayed full-screen, but 5 Mp are shown in half the width of the LCD, making it very hard to see the picture. You can zoom in, but then you see only a part of the picture. I hope this is just a glitch in the firmware that will be corrected in the near future.

On the positive side: on my last holiday all internet cafes let me install the Archos drivers, and many had ACDSee installed, so I could view the images on a PC. And it's a great device because of the MP3 (recording) capabilities - but that's a different story.

(See the Photo Viewer gallery http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/archosmultimedia/lst?.dir=/Photo+Viewer&.src=gr&.order=&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/archosmultimedia/lst%3f.dir=/Photo%2bViewer%26.src=gr%26.view=t in the Archos JBMM group ( http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/archosmultimedia/lst for a comparison of how the Archos displays various image formats).

--
Frank
 
It does sort of freeze me to one spot for awhile, which can be a
problem if I'm on a narrow trail with tourists. Come to think of
it, I would look pretty weird sitting on a river bag to them too.
If there's a shot I need to get that sudenly appears (like a quick
moving Marmot) I'm stuck too.
Get a nylon strap, and pull it snug around the bag to provide the pressure. Then drop the bag in your backpack and move on. Two straps along the longer dimensions might even be worthwhile, to make the pressure more even.
 
I just got back from 28 days in Europe. I shot around 1200 photos using a 256mb and 128mb cf cards with a 10gb Image Tank. I filled up around 2.6 gb of space. I was shooting with an Oly E10. The image size was around 2.0 to 2.5 per photo. The combo worked great. I was able to check the IT a only a few internet cafes. It worked great when the OS was Windoze XP.

I am thinking of selling the IT. Are you interested?

Aaron
Apart from storing my pics, I am also interested in showing them on
a TV-screen (not during traveling but for showing them to friends).
The Archos Jukebox, the DDP (Printamax) and the V-Mp3h digital data
player are offering that option.
I'm using the Archos; can't compare to other devices. One negative
aspect is that the size of the photos on the LCD display (and hence
the TV screen, as it is the same image) depends strongly on the
original format.
2 Megapixel photo's are displayed full-screen, but 5 Mp are shown
in half the width of the LCD, making it very hard to see the
picture. You can zoom in, but then you see only a part of the
picture. I hope this is just a glitch in the firmware that will be
corrected in the near future.

On the positive side: on my last holiday all internet cafes let me
install the Archos drivers, and many had ACDSee installed, so I
could view the images on a PC. And it's a great device because of
the MP3 (recording) capabilities - but that's a different story.

(See the Photo Viewer gallery

http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/archosmultimedia/lst?.dir=/Photo+Viewer&.src=gr&.order=&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/archosmultimedia/lst%3f.dir=/Photo%2bViewer%26.src=gr%26.view=t in the Archos JBMM group ( http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/archosmultimedia/lst for a comparison of how the Archos displays various image formats).

--
Frank
 
30 Gb Image Tank from PowerInNumbers, battery, wall plug, easy to use, saw me through a rough 7 day trek at DisneyWorld. Worked great.

You're gonna take a whole lot more than 50 shots a day - shame on you if you don't. I'd probably take 50 in an hour. Davidk
I was just doing some calculations on how much storage I would need
and it made me wonder what the best strategy would be, considering
I am just switching to digital from film.

I am going on a 15 day trip to Southeast Asia. Real power should
not be a problem at hotels.

I normally have taken about 40 film pictures per day. I figure I
will actually take more with digital, so I am figuring 50 at least
per day. The pictures will be on a Cannon D60, so it is 8mb raw per
picture. That is about 400 mb/day.

I am concerned about weight of all equipment, so laptops are out of
the question. I really don't want to go the microdrive route, but
may have to.

If I do the math, I have about 6gb. Does this mean I must carry a
wallet type storage device with me? I don't think I want to buy 6
microdrives or a gross of 512mb CF cards.

What would you suggest? Thanks in advance.
 
How much should it cost?
Hartmut
I am thinking of selling the IT. Are you interested?

Aaron
Apart from storing my pics, I am also interested in showing them on
a TV-screen (not during traveling but for showing them to friends).
The Archos Jukebox, the DDP (Printamax) and the V-Mp3h digital data
player are offering that option.
I'm using the Archos; can't compare to other devices. One negative
aspect is that the size of the photos on the LCD display (and hence
the TV screen, as it is the same image) depends strongly on the
original format.
2 Megapixel photo's are displayed full-screen, but 5 Mp are shown
in half the width of the LCD, making it very hard to see the
picture. You can zoom in, but then you see only a part of the
picture. I hope this is just a glitch in the firmware that will be
corrected in the near future.

On the positive side: on my last holiday all internet cafes let me
install the Archos drivers, and many had ACDSee installed, so I
could view the images on a PC. And it's a great device because of
the MP3 (recording) capabilities - but that's a different story.

(See the Photo Viewer gallery

http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/archosmultimedia/lst?.dir=/Photo+Viewer&.src=gr&.order=&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/archosmultimedia/lst%3f.dir=/Photo%2bViewer%26.src=gr%26.view=t in the Archos JBMM group ( http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/archosmultimedia/lst for a comparison of how the Archos displays various image formats).

--
Frank
 
I just returned from a 22 day trip to China, using a 5mp D-7. The Image tank worked flawlessly and survived an accidental packing in checked in airline luggage. An added advantage of a device like this is that I copied CF and SM cards of 3 others on the trip. It is facinating to see what other people took pictures of.
 

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