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I miss the old days when I was shooting with a Leica. While it was difficult to find good quality films and I used Svema 64 and was preparing himself developer in Kodak D-76.
I was limited in the number of film and carefully chose the moment of shooting.

At the moment I use DSLR and can not shoot with the special atmosphere that comes when you hold hands rangefinder camera. This is something special.

Now people with DSLR use it as a machine gun. Sometimes I can not resist and shoot with my Nikon as people use machine guns in Quentin Tarantino movies.

So I sold Leica many years ago and now I think back again to the good old film camera.

I took it 25 years ago



 
It was so much easier to get girls to take their clothes off at the beach back then!

Nice pic. They still have film and Leica M cameras ya know. Check out Ralph Gibson's recent book, Nude .

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Sniper rifle (film) vs. machine gun (digital)
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I have never understood why so many RF users think that every owner of a DSLR uses his DSLR like a machine gun. It's just not true. Many DSLR owners are just as thoughtful and patient as a RF owner when it comes to composing or waiting for the shot.

Sure, there are those who fire of 10 frames a second, especially at sporting events and in situations where the action is quite fast and frankly a RF would fail more often than not. Sometimes using a DSLR in such a fashion provides a greater chance of actually getting the shot... but that goes back to using the right camera for the job. Sometimes you need that high frame rate capability or you will come away with nothing.

Yes, there are those (usually amateurs and those new to photography) who might fire off multiple frames of a sunset or a landscape but I would not make a statement that implies all DSLR users "machine gun" their photos and rely on luck to get one good shot as it's just not true. Many here are also DSLR users as well.
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I never shoot anything like that on any of my digital cameras, I read sometimes that somebody or other has gone out for the afternoon and taken 200 photographs or more, I cant imagine why, I am very particular what I take and on occasion come back with nothing, I think this may stem from being a film user for most of my life, having only 36 or 12 exposures on a film made you very particular about when you pressed the shutter button.

Walter
 
Jim Radcliffe said:
I have never understood why so many RF users think that every owner of a DSLR uses his DSLR like a machine gun. It's just not true. Many DSLR owners are just as thoughtful and patient as a RF owner when it comes to composing or waiting for the shot.

Sure, there are those who fire of 10 frames a second, especially at sporting events and in situations where the action is quite fast and frankly a RF would fail more often than not. Sometimes using a DSLR in such a fashion provides a greater chance of actually getting the shot... but that goes back to using the right camera for the job. Sometimes you need that high frame rate capability or you will come away with nothing.

Yes, there are those (usually amateurs and those new to photography) who might fire off multiple frames of a sunset or a landscape but I would not make a statement that implies all DSLR users "machine gun" their photos and rely on luck to get one good shot as it's just not true. Many here are also DSLR users as well.
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Jim Radcliffe
http://www.boxedlight.com
http://www.oceona.com

The ability to 'see' the shot is more important than the gear used to capture it.
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Of course, I did not say it seriously. I have a DSLR and 2GB memory card, and I do not need more. One day does not take more than 100 shots, then 80 is erased at home.

The ability to 'see' the shot is more important than the gear used to capture it.

Yes it is true. Some with a rangefinder camera have more ability to 'see' the shot.
 
A beautiful picture. I think this is why camera's were invented...
 
Agree with you about not making such assumptions as these come across as Leica elitism and are unwarranted.

However, the process of creating an image should not matter at all, right? What matters is the end result - the final image, hopefully. Therefore, machine-gunning shouldn't matter either as a process then. If two images are presented for a critique of their artistic merit, the process by which either was created doesn't enter into the consideration. Or at least it shouldn't.

So what if someone fires off a burst of images? If the images suck, they suck because of the photographer's inherent lack of skill. If the images are good, why does the "machine-gunning" matter?

Btw, I am all for thinking about the image and going about the business of creating an image in a considered, deliberate fashion. But when we Leicaphiles dismiss DSLR shooters for the process they use, aren't we being elitist? (which btw, you Jim, aren't doing here, and I'm not saying you are)

Cheers,
-raaj
Jim Radcliffe said:
I have never understood why so many RF users think that every owner of a DSLR uses his DSLR like a machine gun. It's just not true. Many DSLR owners are just as thoughtful and patient as a RF owner when it comes to composing or waiting for the shot.

Sure, there are those who fire of 10 frames a second, especially at sporting events and in situations where the action is quite fast and frankly a RF would fail more often than not. Sometimes using a DSLR in such a fashion provides a greater chance of actually getting the shot... but that goes back to using the right camera for the job. Sometimes you need that high frame rate capability or you will come away with nothing.

Yes, there are those (usually amateurs and those new to photography) who might fire off multiple frames of a sunset or a landscape but I would not make a statement that implies all DSLR users "machine gun" their photos and rely on luck to get one good shot as it's just not true. Many here are also DSLR users as well.
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Jim Radcliffe
http://www.boxedlight.com
http://www.oceona.com

The ability to 'see' the shot is more important than the gear used to capture it.
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No, my point is not that all DSLR users are "machine gunners"; it's not a statement about users, but about the equipment The fact is that when using film, one must, using a metaphor, use it it like a "sniper rifle", there's limited ammo (film), and one MUST be more selective. Using any digital camera is like a machine gun; one simply has, practically speaking , almost unlimited ammo.

Interestingly, it's a fact that with digital cameras, users shoot more frames than they did with film. Why because they can. Which is great, I guess. Really, I could care less what they do. If it helps in taking better pictures because the feedback loop, "shoot-chimp-adjust-shoot again" is available fine. If they simply hold down the shutter, also fine.

Besides that, frankly, I don't think care what kind of camera people use, nor did I ever feel that rangefinder photographers are better than any other type of photographer. Proof in point is just look at the photos on this forum shot with a rangefinder...they're, for the most part, no better than any other forum, and , BTW, I have owned M6s and MPs and never really thought what all the hoopla was about other than them being very nice machines with great optics.

Getting back to the original photo; very nice.

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I still "spray and pray" when I shoot sports, surfing, etc with my dslr and I'm thoughtful, deliberate and slow with my RF. I don't think it's either/or; one is better than the other, elitism or whatever. Just what's best for getting the shot you want at the time and having fun along the way (for me) or satisfying a client for a pro.
 
Vetteran said:
Besides that, frankly, I don't think care what kind of camera people use, nor did I ever feel that rangefinder photographers are better than any other type of photographer.
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They're different if that's their forte. They're not that much different if they mix and match - RF's and DSLR's. And those folks who like DSLR's a lot and the photos they make would not be expected to find anything unusual or "different" about RF photos, even Leica.
 
Vetteran said:
... The fact is that when using film, one must, using a metaphor, use it it like a "sniper rifle", there's limited ammo (film), and one MUST be more selective. Using any digital camera is like a machine gun; one simply has, practically speaking , almost unlimited ammo.

Interestingly, it's a fact that with digital cameras, users shoot more frames than they did with film. Why because they can. ...
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One could buy more film, and/or use smaller memory cards.

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Someone posts a striking image of a beautiful woman, naked by the ocean, and within a few replies you guys are arguing DSLRs vs. rangefinders! I think some of you need to get out a bit more...

S.
 
no sh*t; really
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+2! ;)
siward said:
Someone posts a striking image of a beautiful woman, naked by the ocean, and within a few replies you guys are arguing DSLRs vs. rangefinders! I think some of you need to get out a bit more...

S.
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'Change is not Mandatory, you don't have to Survive...'
 
Dear Sima,

I missed the good old days too.

For this reason, I bought myself a used M6, an old 50/2.0 summicron, and a Minolta scanner. Now, I am "back to film".

In my blog http://www.mym6.blogspot.com/ I write about my
experiences. You will also find some images taken at the same
shooting with the M6 and with a Canon 5D MkII.

Greetings from Austria,

Peter
 
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