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Some animals pictures. D7i. Need critic opinion.
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David Martin
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It's a little late here but a couple of quick comments. You've tried some very difficult shots of fast moving low contrast subjects such as Cheapmonkeys.
You might find that Spot focus instead of matrix mode would help. Pre-focus where you hope they will be, fix it, wait till they come along then manually adjust. Also go for a higher aperture value, if necessary shooting at higher ISO's or in RAW so that you can underexpose and get away with it via post-processing.
Keep us posted,
Regards,
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DaveMart
Oh, yeahh! It was really hard to catch this crazy guy!
Accepted.
I used this on CM02_03.JPG ( http://www.pbase.com/image/5677328 ).
But in last moment he made a fast unexpected moving. That picture is out of focus, but I like it anyway.
Accepted.
It was cloudy morning in a forest, light conditions is no good at all.
???
I did not tried RAW yet.
But how it can help? Do you mean that I can use 12 bit color instead of 8 bit in jpg and increase brighness later on PC?
It's a brand new idea for me.
Thanks a lot!
Petteri Sulonen
Forum Pro
Only problem is that in a situation like that, the 10--30 seconds it takes for RAW to flush will almost certainly make you miss shots. There's a surprising amount of latitude even in JPG shots; in situations like that I always underexpose by 0.3 to 1 stop, and nobody's complained yet.Oh, yeahh! It was really hard to catch this crazy guy!
Accepted.
I used this on CM02_03.JPG ( http://www.pbase.com/image/5677328 ).
But in last moment he made a fast unexpected moving. That picture
is out of focus, but I like it anyway.
Accepted.
It was cloudy morning in a forest, light conditions is no good at all.
???
I did not tried RAW yet.
But how it can help? Do you mean that I can use 12 bit color
instead of 8 bit in jpg and increase brighness later on PC?
It's a brand new idea for me.
Thanks a lot!
You might also want to work on your composition: instead of putting the subject in the middle of the frame, you could be a bit more imaginative. See http://www.kodak.com/global/en/consumer/education/programs/composition/photoProgramCompMain.shtml for ideas.
Petteri
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Ty Cooper
Well-known member
The shots of the Praying Mantis and two geese are the best shots. You can take some points from them and apply them to the rest of your shots. In general, the subject does not take up enough of the photo in the others. I know we are all limited by the amount of zoom we have, but a picture that is 98% grass and 2% bird will never hold our attention like one that is 98% bird and 2% grass. The geese picture works because the "empty space" does something: in this case it creates a sense of movement because it shows where the geese are going. So there are some compositional ideas that can be used when you can't get close enough to the subject to make the best use of the frame, but in general, it's best to make sure that everything in the frame is of interest and working to help the picture. A side benefit to Filling the frame with the subject is that it also helps the camera get a better focus and exposure reading.
Ty Cooper
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Ty Cooper
Hi Tarpan
Nice shots but...
As Ty already has pointed out, try to get closer; if you can't - why not just cheat? With 5 MP you have some reserve to crop, but i'd suggest to not going lower than 5 MP (2048 + 1536).
One other thing - and that's harder to achieve - always try to get the eyes sharp.
Regards
Pfnuesu
http://www.pbase.com/pfnuesu
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David Martin
Guest
Petteri is the man. Listen to him. I'm just filling a void.. So many shots of mine have the ssame problems that I feel I know where you are coming from.Oh, yeahh! It was really hard to catch this crazy guy!
Accepted.
I used this on CM02_03.JPG ( http://www.pbase.com/image/5677328 ).
But in last moment he made a fast unexpected moving. That picture
is out of focus, but I like it anyway.
Accepted.
It was cloudy morning in a forest, light conditions is no good at all.
???
I did not tried RAW yet.
But how it can help? Do you mean that I can use 12 bit color
instead of 8 bit in jpg and increase brighness later on PC?
It's a brand new idea for me.
Thanks a lot!
These are really difficult shots for D7 class cameras. Be happy that you have caught anything.
And BTW yes, you can post-process to pull out more detail in RAW, but as Petterdi says, be prepared for long waits between shots.
Regards,
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DaveMart
if the main subject is not in center of a picture the rest of picture must be filled by something.
Like SQ_14.JPG ( http://www.pbase.com/image/5677780 ). The squirell is looking to the right side so I can left some more space from the right.
SQ_09.JPG ( http://www.pbase.com/image/5677775 ) weighed left. I can make it because the squirell walking to the right.
But i do not see a good way do make uncentered picture from picture that centered by itself like SQ_06.JPG ( http://www.pbase.com/image/5677772 )
That I want to say: some pictures are tendented to be uncentered some does not. Mostly not.
Anyway, I've accepted your opinion and will try to review (reedit) my pictures.
What's that? BTW?
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David Martin
Guest
Ty Cooper wrote:
In general, the subject does not take up enough of the
But.
After reading your message I review my pictures and found something new.
Lots of squirell pictures looks same. I can crop some of them to "portrait style" and it will definitely improve the whole gallery.
In general, the subject does not take up enough of the
I see you point. But I have an another preferences. I do not like pictures of animals that looks like portrait, where a subject fiils 98% of picture. I like to left some space around to give a "feeling of place". Like "it's not just a gees, it's a gees in the water". So around a squirell should be some grass, trees, leafs ...
But.
After reading your message I review my pictures and found something new.
Lots of squirell pictures looks same. I can crop some of them to "portrait style" and it will definitely improve the whole gallery.
I just respond to Ty why I not doing this.
Thanks. Brand new idea for me.
Unfortunally not always usefull : it's hard to focus on eyes of cheapmonkeys or squirell. They are too small and to fast.
By the way I've used a 7 frame/sec mode to catch number of pictures and select the best (or best focused) one.
By the way, I do not like the Praying Mantis picture. And "Gees" rated by myself like average.
I have changed a little bit one cheapmonkey picture:
1st version
http://www.pbase.com/image/5677327
2nd version
http://www.pbase.com/image/5732810
Does it look better?
Any ideas how improve it more?
(I do not worry about exactly this picture. Its just an example to speak about composition and how the subject should fill a picture.)
1st version
http://www.pbase.com/image/5677327
2nd version
http://www.pbase.com/image/5732810
Does it look better?
Any ideas how improve it more?
(I do not worry about exactly this picture. Its just an example to speak about composition and how the subject should fill a picture.)
Dave Wyman113235
Active member
I've got an example of one of my own pictures. I took the liberty of copying your picture, and changed it, a bit - cropping it, adding some color, sharpening it and adding a catchlight to an eye. But the most important element wasa: croppping the picture. To see these two pictures, go here: http://home.attbi.com/~wymanburke/critter.htm
My best advice: do a search on google for squirrel pictures. Then you won't have to ask for advice - you'll see for yourself what makes for a compelling picture of a squirrel. Here's an example: http://www.visuallink.net/ghough/Img2.htm - you'll see that the squirrel doesn't fill the frame. In fact, it's a wonderful picture because the squirrel is only part of the scene, but the compositional elements come together to create an interesting picture.
Good luck, keep making photographs, and just as importantly, look at other photographs.
Dave
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(I hope you did it just for show example for me and other guys in the newsgroup)
Original picture was cropped, sharped (center only) and blured (edges). Eyes was sharpened manually also.
I don't want to crop it more because :
Left bootom corner of the picture contain the nuts. It gives a idea what the cheapmonkey(CM) doing, why he is sitting, not jumping, not running like usual. The picture has a time duration : it's a part of CM life. He runned, found the nuts, eat nuts and he will run again.
The cheapmonkey looks terrible.
- Unreal
- Noisy.
- You cut the tail
- Bottom margin is too big (bottom 20% of picture contain nothing)
Buy the way, how you did that picture (the mole) ?
PS. A took your advise about saturation. But saturation should be applied slightly and to the subject only.
http://www.pbase.com/image/5788650
Thanks for help
theswede #100093
Senior Member
No.
Or from the left. You will get completely different dynamics depending on crop.
And you can make it the other way too, which will again give a completely different feel. The space around the subject will determine if it feels the subject is entering or leaving.
Crop off the right side. It will look a lot better at once, even as it is now.
Almost no pictures ever should have the subject centered; it's exceedingly difficult to take an interesting shot with the subject centered.
Play around with centering and you'll see. Try to shoot one subject many times, without centering even once.
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Jesper
Ha!
Is it looks good?
http://www.pbase.com/image/5796743/original
Accepted. For moving objects only.
Damn! You are right.
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