DPR Nex Review Exaggerations

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First, I think the DPR staff are an awesome group of guys with thick skin...I think it's great they let some of the more stern comments roll off of them and remain composed.

Will add more as I get the time but a couple things for now....

"Disappointingly iAuto mode only allows the use of Auto ISO, where the camera chooses how sensitive to light it needs to be, which has an upper limit of ISO 1600. Sony proudly advertises the camera's highest ISO setting as 12,800 (way above the level at which any compact camera can produce good images and a real advantage of a large sensor), and yet iAuto mode limits you to a setting eight times less sensitive. Features such as Auto HDR are also unavailable."

My highly rated $800 Canon T1i also only allows the use of Auto ISO in AUTO MODE...what is disappointing or strange about that? Auto modes are in cameras for the times people want to simply frame and shoot. My T1i allows me to change the size of the photo and option to switch to a self-timed shot....that is all. Why would a special mode like HDR be in the basic iAuto mode?

I have to go deep into the Canon T1i to select ISO Expansion and allow Auto ISO to go above ISO-1600....and that can not even be found in the menu while in Auto Mode.

"So, assuming you last used the Brightness/Color menu, it still takes a minimum of 6 button presses to change the ISO setting, 8 to change metering mode and between 10 and 20 to configure and engage the HDR mode (the higher numbers coming if you were previously shooting RAW files)."

Why are you only using button presses when the camera has a dial? If you are not using the Oly E-PL1 or some thing similar then start using your thumb to roll the dial. Those changes take a couple seconds and a couple buttons presses in real use, right?

Obvious attempt for exaggeration when you seperate ISO setting and Metering setting...press the button for Menu, go down Select Brightness/Color in barely a second, scroll down to either the ISO or Metering option in one second, select what you want and roll on.

The scenario reminds me of the guys who do not learn how to type and you watch them pecking with one or two fingers one letter at a time. Is that a fault of the keyboard?

Changing the settings in my Nokia phone would probably leave Mr. Butler with jaw hanging down and eyes wide open (no offense bud :D ). For me and many others in 2010...first time handling it, it would be accomplished in a few seconds with no stress.
 
"The biggest disappointment is that the NEXs offer no encouragement or obvious pathways for users wanting to take more control over the camera. The 'Bkground Defocus' option in iAuto mode, constantly recommended in the in-camera guide, doesn't make clear what it's doing and risks being actively unhelpful in some circumstances (using F22-F32 won't yield the 'crisp' images the interface promises). Furthermore, operation and navigation differ enough between iAuto and Aperture Priority mode that you're unlikely to ever guess that they're doing essentially the same things."

The first sentence...come on. What do you possibly mean with that? It doesn't have pop-up messages saying "You might want to try Aperture-Priority today...it's fun!" ?

The rest...how could anybody not see the aperture value changing at the bottom of the screen when operating Background Defocus in iAuto mode? The screen would have to be much larger with the icon in the very corner for a normal person not to notice it.

Also why do you assume any category of consumer purchasing this camera is not going to bother reading the manual? You would have to have some development problems to not be able to figure out that Background Defocus and Aperture Priority are doing the same thing, even without the manual.
 
"As cameras to literally just point and shoot the NEXs do pretty well, which will be enough for some people - although by being restricted to ISO 1600 in iAuto mode, the benefits over a good compact camera are not as clear-cut as they could be. Sadly even these users may find the battery life problematic, and we'd be hard-pushed to think of an interchangeable lens camera less appropriate for a keen photographer."

How are the benefits over a good compact P&S model not as clear-cut as they should be? The multiple reasons for the existence of m4/3 cameras, Samsung's NX, and Sony's NEX models are not very obvious?

"we'd be hard-pushed to think of an interchangeable lens camera less appropriate for a keen photographer"

Keen photographer as in sharp and intelligent photographer? Why wouldn't an intelligent photographer want to own and enjoy a Sony NEX? Because he might take a couple more seconds to make a few exposure setting changes since he isn't using his $1,500 prosumer DSLR? Or is it because of that Auto ISO restriction when in iAuto mode?

A lot of words for saying nothing honestly.
 
wow, I'm getting your drift. I was posed to hate this camera because of being menu driven but i am an old f* and I see that this is the wave of the future. I am not happy but at least I have an open mind. DPR represents film fanatics like Barry and are not adjusting to the cell phone texting generation
 
I use the rotary dial on other items, and if you have used one, you know its quite fast. So fast, you can go through the menu rather quickly. Its only if you choose to press the button each time to make a change, that it seems it takes time. But, that sounds like the reviewer is technically challenged as far as new tech is concerned. Surely he has used a cell phone or ipod with a similar dial.
 
Isn't that an interesting video! I've watched that before but not from the beginning where it's turned on! What's up with that then? Were the models DPR sent dodgy in some way??
In Conclusion-Cons

"Slow start up and poor shot-to-shot times"

Please watch the 4th video down [NEX-5, AF-S] and the 7th video down of the E-P2 [E-P2, AF-S]...the E-P2 is a 69% rated camera and has no such con in it's Conclusion-Cons list.

http://www.slrclub.com/bbs/vx2.php?id=slr_review&page=1&divpage=1&ss=on&select_arrange=headnum&desc=asc&no=167

How about those start up and the shot-to-shot times?
 
It's crazy how the Olympus E-P series are dogs in shot-to-shot speed but it is the NEX which gets tagged for poor shot-to-shot performance.

Here is another one showing how slow the E-PL1 is...I believe from a guy who posts on these forums. You see the Panasonic GF1 right after it which is very similar in AF speed and shot-to-shot times with the NEX.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UPzhidedFU
 
Here is a better link to these video

http://forum.xitek.com/showthread.php?threadid=740841

Note EP2 startup time, but Simon Joinson says the one on his table is quicker, huh?

Note shoot-to-shoot speed too (listed a con in Nex review).
Either they are full of it or they are going off of a bad sample (no disrespect guys :) )

It would be wise for them to implement a short video in each review here at DPR showing the start up times, some menu cruising, and how it performs in AF and shot-to-shot.

We'll see if it happens..
 
Also in Conclusions - Cons

How crazy is it that they managed to be sly and put the High ISO capability on that list by bringing up the fact that it is limited in iAuto (Auto ISO 200-1600)

Why in the world was it not mentioned that these cameras in Hand-Held Twilight mode have the BEST (not close to the best, sorta good, pretty decent..BEST) High ISO/Low-Noise performance of any camera at any price short of Full Frame models? That is a huge plus, shouldn't that be in the Conclusion - Pros list?

To best a NEX in low-light shots at a museum, at home next to your sleeping child, etc. you need to spend about $2,000...minimum.
 
Either they are full of it or they are going off of a bad sample (no disrespect guys :) )
They may have a different firmware version:

The poster reports version 1.03 in his write up:
http://upload.a-system.net/photo/list/model_name/NEX-5

But DPR review page is:
Review based on a production NEX-3 and NEX-5, both running firmware v01
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/SonyNex5Nex3/

But then again, the poster of the photographs could have made a mistake or v01 on page 1 is a mistake.

Anyone just bought this a Sony NEX 5 could verify this easily.
 
Either they are full of it or they are going off of a bad sample (no disrespect guys :) )
They may have a different firmware version:

The poster reports version 1.03 in his write up:
http://upload.a-system.net/photo/list/model_name/NEX-5

But DPR review page is:
Review based on a production NEX-3 and NEX-5, both running firmware v01
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/SonyNex5Nex3/

But then again, the poster of the photographs could have made a mistake or v01 on page 1 is a mistake.

Anyone just bought this a Sony NEX 5 could verify this easily.
I really don't think it is an issue of firmware at all. It is true that there is a bias and dislike shining out from under the words in the NEX reviews here at DPR. Personal feelings or financial reasons who would know.

I played around with one a couple days ago at a SonyStyle store but did not try to see what firmware version it was...I'll try to call and talk to my friend who works there tomorrow.

The camera is "stupid-easy" to operate though and the one I tried out matches the speed of the ones you find in videos all over the internet. I noticed no huge decline in performance speed when I got home and used my Canon T1i/500D.
 
Also in Conclusions - Cons

How crazy is it that they managed to be sly and put the High ISO capability on that list by bringing up the fact that it is limited in iAuto (Auto ISO 200-1600)
Also it still has "Program Auto" which does allow you to change EXP and ISO
 
Luminous Landscape also made a big rant about slow start-up time.

The video put the Kabosh on that claim. Maybe it depends on what mode you are in when you start up?? Even if it is true is that something to loose hair about?

Was the Nex5 on multi-shot mode? Sure made a lot of clicks per shot?

In one of the videos the Ep-2 was getting focus comfirmation with the lens cap on!

Also the GF -1 seemed like it didn't recall the last focus point after the shot, when the LCD would come out of black after the shot it seemed to hunt thru the whole focus range again.

What a buffer on the NEX5 - it stitched that pano together in nothing flat!

The zoom looks smaller than I thought on the Nex5.

If I had to make a buy decision just based on those videos - I'd get the Nex5 no question.

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It's crazy how the Olympus E-P series are dogs in shot-to-shot speed but it is the NEX which gets tagged for poor shot-to-shot performance.
the problem is, as noted elsewhere, if preview is on, nex does take 2 sec from shoot-to-shoot. the preview doesn't go away if shutter is pressed again (they do on Alpha DSLRs). We can say that is a con.

the solution is easy: turn off preview when you need faster shoot-to-shoot speed, as shown in the videos.

But what's wrong with EP2 in these videos? (which scores higher than Nex on performance in DPR rating).
 
Luminous Landscape also provided several complaints that equally applied to my Canon T1i and most new entry-level DSLRs as well. His review was pretty much showing his angst for the NEX not being a smaller version of a Canon 7D or similar. Not a fault of Sony or the NEX cameras.
 
I noticed no huge decline in performance speed when I got home and used my Canon T1i/500D.
You mean the performance of the NEX-5 is close to that of the Canon DSLR?

Man, now I really want a NEX-5 dual lens kit.
 
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